Did Aer Lingus ever have MD11/DC10?

Run_to_da_hills

Saw a clip of a tail section of what looks like an Aer lingus DC10/MD11 on page 17 of the Irish Times today. I have seen a chartered Aer Lingus Locheed TriStar L1011 in Shannon a few years ago but never knew they had MD's. They are an awesome looking jet.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2009/0307/1224242448488.html

LiamD

Aer Lingus leased an MD-11 from World airways for a few months in 1998 and 2001 to cover aircraft shortages. Reg N272WA (St. Kilian)

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Run_to_da_hills

LiamD wrote: »

Aer Lingus leased an MD-11 from World airways for a few months in 1998 and 2001 to cover aircraft shortages. Reg N272WA (St. Kilian)

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Cheers, I wonder why the Irish Times chose that clip rather than the A330.

highlydebased

LiamD wrote: »

Aer Lingus leased an MD-11 from World airways for a few months in 1998 and 2001 to cover aircraft shortages. Reg N272WA (St. Kilian)

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Beat me to it!

Hogzy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Cheers, I wonder why the Irish Times chose that clip rather than the A330.

Reporter probably just used an archived photo!

spadder

cool looking jet, were they known as "Tri-stars" or is there something similar?

ScabbyLeg

TriStars were the Lockheed L1011s.. the TriStars were a similar aircraft that ultimately lost out to the MD-11 (the DC-10 at the time).

Run_to_da_hills

ScabbyLeg wrote: »

TriStars were the Lockheed L1011s.. the MD-11s were a similar aircraft that ultimately lost out to the MD-11 (the DC-10 at the time).

DC10's had an apalling record in their concept years that gave way to the L1011 and 747, some say that this was one of the reasons for the collapse of Freddy Laker. On average one fell out of the sky every year in the early days. When the problems were sorted they ended out to become a great work horse.

http://www.kls2.com/cgi-bin/arcfetch?db=sci.aeronautics.airliners&id=%3Cairliners.1993.161@ohare.chicago.com%3E

donkey balls

after the lease was up on the Aer lingus MD11 World Airways took it back and had it flying US troops into the middle east with the Aer lingus livery.
since a lot of work that world airways do is transporting US troops around the globe.

the MD11 was a great bird to fly the replacement/updated verson of the DC10.
glass cockpit two man crew V three man crew on the DC10.
(no flight engineer on MD11).

after a couple of years the DC10 had its avionics replaced with the ones used in the MD11 hence its name changed to MD10.

Fratton Fred

ScabbyLeg wrote: »

TriStars were the Lockheed L1011s.. the TriStars were a similar aircraft that ultimately lost out to the MD-11 (the DC-10 at the time).

I flew on a tri-star to Trinidad.

I kissed the ground when I got there.

peter1892

Aer Lingus wet-leased a Tristar from Caledonian airlines in the mid 1990's as well.

FlutterinBantam

Yes that's true.

I knew they had a L1011 for a while but just couldn't remember from whom.

peter1892

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Yes that's true.

I knew they had a L1011 for a while but just couldn't remember from whom.

Actually I did another search on airliners.net & they had another L1011 from American Trans Air in the late 1980's.

My sister flew on the Caledonian plane in 1996, which she found amusing as it reminded her of (long forgotten) BBC sitcom 'The High Life'!

parsi

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I flew on a tri-star to Trinidad.

I kissed the ground when I got there.

Hmmm.. so that explains JPII

cyrusdvirus

parsi wrote: »

Hmmm.. so that explains JPII

Fratton fred.. Inspiring Popes in these troubled times!!

Davidth88

Goodness me to say the DC10 fell out of the sky is a bit of an exageration to be honest.

The THY one , the cargo door was found to have a fault in the design for sure , but I think some of the issues with engines falling off etc were found to be faulty work practices wern't they.

I have flown on both, the Tristar was fine ( flown BA/Delta ) however I flew on a ATA one back in 94 and that was truly a horrible aeroplane. I also flew on a World DC10 and that was a bit of a dump too.

World Airlines and ATA I think make/made most of their money transporting GI's to find WOMD in wierd places so they are pretty old aeroplanes.

The DC10 always looked stunning to me , the Aer Lingus one ( which this is the first time I have seen one ) looks great , I always thought the Lufthansa ones were nice.

Biro

The DC10 was the end of McDonnell Douglas, and rightly so unfortunately. I used love their planes, but the scum that made it to the top of that company ruined it.
They knew about the cargo door flaw, and despite it almost killing people they largly ignored it and then it did kill a plane load. They got sued for a lot of money. A mistake is a mistake, but investigations showed that they had cargo door failures in testing before the plane was made air-worthy, and they did nothing cause they were in a race to get sales before the 747 wiped them out.
When you put profit before lives you deserve to go to be honest.
Pity, they were a nice plane, but I'd probably feel safer on the L1011 to be honest, despite the door issue being resolved.

donkey balls

Aer lingus last tri jet was an MD11 not a DC10 all though they look the same the MD11 is longer.

Mc Donnel Douglas was later bought by Boeing as for there safety record there was issue,s which thankfully were resolved.

they are more widely used in cargo ops these days and a known work horse. thats what i miss being in dub no MD11/DC11 or even 747 all busses&boeings.

and another thing the MD11 was more economic to use than a 747

afatbollix

why did they bother painting it for a few months?? wouldent a paint job on one of them cost a far bit?

anthony4335

I think that I saw a MD10/11 in a film once ,where they were using it for anti-terror tactics, and it had an irish airways (or something like that) on the side of the plane. Cannot remember the film name.

but some interesting facts about the plane

http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq9.htm

On thinking about it again I think that the plane in the film might have been a 707
But here is a pic of the MD-11 from aer lingus

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00009351

Biro

Reading that link, they were much worse than I thought! I always liked them for some reason, but they really are a pile of sh!t. Poor design from the outset by the looks of things, even the mildly redesigned MD11. Goes to show how good a job Beoing did on the 747!

donkey balls

I must have read about five incidents/accidents on the above llink involving my old employers MD11.

The 747 was more popular all right but not as fuel efficent as the md11 hence we got rid of our 747f and replaced them with dc10 md10&md11.

my mate still works for the company and there going be buying 777f as there more fuel efficent than the 747 although they were looking at the a380f there going go with 777f for the time being.

Geoff Pemberton

Hogzy wrote: »

Reporter probably just used an archived photo!

A bit late in the day to say anything about a photo of the MD11 of Aer Lingus but the Irish Times of 20/9/1999 shows the complete plane, a photo taken after the plane ran off the runway.

Geoff Pemberton

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Cheers, I wonder why the Irish Times chose that clip rather than the A330.

The A330 never ran off the runway. Perhaps they didn't think a newsworthy story could be got out of it. There's a great photo from the Irish Times of the MD 11 of Aer Lingus dated 20/9/1999 taken by Liam Burke of the plane stuck at the end of the runway after it overshot it.

Aestivalis

Geoff Pemberton wrote: »

The A330 never ran off the runway. Perhaps they didn't think a newsworthy story could be got out of it. There's a great photo from the Irish Times of the MD 11 of Aer Lingus dated 20/9/1999 taken by Liam Burke of the plane stuck at the end of the runway after it overshot it.

Pretty sure that was a delta jet, no?
Also this thread is from 2009

weisses

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88669779&postcount=192

djmcr

weisses wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88669779&postcount=192

That brings back memories

Irish Steve

The EI MD went off the end at Shannon on one occasion, there was also a Delta MD went gardening off the side of 28 at Dublin, they had to change 2 engines and some flaps before they could ferry it back to Atlanta.

They are tricky at low speeds in a cross wind, the rudder doesn't have quite enough authority at lower speeds, so it can be tricky in a strong gusty cross wind, and there have been a number of accidents/incidents that have resulted in total losses, some of them captured on CCTV, and frighteningly spectacular. All that weight from the No 2 engine mounted in the middle of the rudder also makes for inertia if it gets blown around.

The main reason that the DC10/MD range were more problematic than the Boeing family is down to the pressurisation, the DC/MD was pressurised to a lower level, (4000), rather than 8000, so a lot more comfortable for the passengers, the downside being that the pressure across the hull was higher, so more stress on the airframe, as was seen with the cargo door issue. The DC10 was much nicer to fly in long haul as a result of that difference.

Boeing have had plenty of issues as well, the main one being the issue with the 737 rudder hard over that caused more than a few crashes, but they never really were sure what caused it.

shamwari

Irish Steve wrote: »

They are tricky at low speeds in a cross wind, the rudder doesn't have quite enough authority at lower speeds, so it can be tricky in a strong gusty cross wind, and there have been a number of accidents/incidents that have resulted in total losses, some of them captured on CCTV, and frighteningly spectacular. All that weight from the No 2 engine mounted in the middle of the rudder also makes for inertia if it gets.

Agree with this. If you look at a side profile pic, the rudder surface looks disproportionately small relative to the size of craft.