Upcoming Emergency Budget

tommmy1979

I'm a driver of and 18yr old 2 litre petrol guzzler with pretty heavy emmisions...

In how many different ways am i going to get shafted by this emergency budget next month?

Owen

I heard from someone today who's friends with someone she knows, who's left testicle's cousin works in the local Motor Tax office, that they've been given advanced warning that rates are supposed to go up. Could be true, could be false ... who knows? We probably won't until FF and the Poofters Greens decide to go in without lube this time.

galwaytt

tommmy1979 wrote: »

I'm a driver of and 18yr old 2 litre petrol guzzler with pretty heavy emmisions...

In how many different ways am i going to get shafted by this emergency budget next month?

have you a preference for how many ways ??

and, even if you're running the Flying Scotsman, I can't see how emissions will affect an 18 yr old car.

As the owner of a 19 year old car, I need to believe this

flanzer

Well any relief that the Transport Industry have got over the last number of months with reducing fuel prices, Eamon Ryan wants to take back :mad:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/ireland/eyaukfgbgbmh/

tommmy1979

galwaytt wrote: »

I can't see how emissions will affect an 18 yr old car.

well, i can think of lots of ways that we can be penalised but i'm obviously not going to write them down here... they might be reading this

Stephen

They're going to hammer the price of petrol now that it has gotten cheaper and inflation isn't a worry for them any more I reckon

edit: thought i was in after hours.. irrelevent post.

Top Dog

flanzer wrote: »

Eamon Ryan wants to take back :mad:

Eamon Ryan is just another Green moron who is so far detached from the realities in this country that its not even funny.

bazz26

As usual the motorist is a soft touch so we will need a very large jar of this:

garyegt

if i was up in that big house full of luxury seats etc, id be terrified of my life that someone was gonna come after me



i think its time we all stood and actually done something about this, seriously, there they are charging us through the roof and we bitch about it here soing nothing about it???

galwaytt

bazz26 wrote: »

As usual the motorist is a soft touch so we will need a very large jar of this:

you have to admire the irony of the base chemical that wonderful product is made from (between 'pure' and 'jelly')............and whether it too, will be affected by said tax increase...

pburns

The ironic thing is your '18yr old 2 litre petrol guzzler with pretty heavy emmisions' has paid it's environmental debt yonks ago (i.e. the 'ecological' cost of manufacture is nullified when you consider the car is still going strong after 18 winters).

When the economy looked a little better clueless Eamon Ryan was considering a new scrappage scheme. All the crap spouted by the SIMI about promoting 'low CO2' (i.e. new) cars is swallowed up by these idiots. And they lecture us about recycling crappy little bits of paper, plastics, glass. What about maintaining cars and not scrapping them after 5 years because they haven't got the latest reg:eek:? They've been keeping cars going in Cuba since the revolution and even in France/Spain you'll see cars in everyday service that would be considered classics here...

At the moment though all bets are off and ideology will go out the window - they will screw you any-which-way they can. They have to, the situation is so grave...

galwaytt

pburns wrote: »

At the moment though all bets are off and ideology will go out the window - they will screw you any-which-way they can. They have to, the situation is so grave...

..indeed, and they can start by screwing themselves - that is, of course, if you consder denying yourself €8k helicopter spins, at the taxpayers expense, as 'screwing yourself'..

I am so ****ing looking forward to the next elections. I shall make my ****ing mission to make sure those green arseholes have seen their own and only tour of Govt bldgs........

conceited, self-absorbed, self-centred pricks.

Dartz

Damn... pburns beat me to it....

Besides, why wait until the next election. A bit of 'excessive' parking in Dublin city by enough disgruntles motorists will bring the city to a halt and make a very strong statement.

Changing government right now, especially when the opposition aren't offering any solutions beyond 'lols Fianna Failure lol' will be more dangerous than hanging on for dear life and punching through. Wasn't the country crippled in the 80's by three governments in the space of 18 months? There's all the money that'll get dumped into campaigining by all sides. Then the waste that comes with transition to a different administration.

Even if the Green Party are complete muppets.

The difference between here, and Obama in the states is that Obama at least offered something of an attempt at a solution. Rabble...rabble...rabble.

Anyway, since not offering a suggested solution is exactly what I'm getting pissy over. How about I give it a go.
To stimulate sales in the motor industry, quarter/halve VRT. Maybe scrap it entirely. If sales go up 50%, they get the same as they were getting before, but more people stay in jobs.
Scrap road tax, because the current system is based on a retarded assumption.
Add 100% tax to the price of petrol and Diesel. The more you use, the more you pollute. The more you pay.
Add tax exemption for 'vehicles used for commercial purposes'.

miju

Dartz wrote: »

To stimulate sales in the motor industry, quarter/halve VRT. Maybe scrap it entirely. If sales go up 50%, they get the same as they were getting before, but more people stay in jobs.

2 things,if you half VRT it just makes UK cars even cheaper to register here so thats a non goer.

Secondly, sales wont be going anywhere until the banks start lending again and when you consider that over 3 times the amount of the total 7 billion bank bailout flowed out of this country in the last 2 weeks plus the absolute anal raping the country en masse is about to recieve in April with this "emergency budget" it wont be anytime soon.

Gurgle

miju wrote: »

sales wont be going anywhere until the banks start lending again

Where has this idea come from that banks aren't lending money?

They're not giving 100% mortgages any more, or business loans to building developers but personal finance is the same as it always was.

The drop in car sales is because consumers are taking pay-cuts and aren't so cock-sure they can commit to paying €500 per month for the next 5 years.

Gurgle

Dartz wrote: »

Add 100% tax to the price of petrol and Diesel. The more you use, the more you pollute. The more you pay.

I'd go further with this - the only tax on motoring should be at the pump. Then everyone pays proportionally to how much they're using the roads and damaging the environment. Also a real incentive to get an efficient car.

Scrap VRT, Toll roads, Road tax and the rest of it.

miju

Gurgle wrote: »

They're not giving 100% mortgages any more, or business loans to building developers but personal finance is the same as it always was.

I would beg to differ as would a few of my friends. One of em even had 20k in savings and was refused a loan of 10k etc.

There are the recent CSO statistics as well to show personal lending has decreased by banks ALOT, I can dig em out for you if you really like but this is a motors forum not a finance one.

Gurgle

miju wrote: »

There are the recent CSO statistics as well to show personal lending has decreased by banks ALOT, I can dig em out for you if you really like but this is a motors forum not a finance one.

Personal borrowing has decreased, certainly for the truly un-neccessary luxories like a new car every 2nd January.

ednwireland

look the motorist, the low paid to middle income earners will get shafted because the gov wont do anything to reduce the spiralling public sector bills our local paper reckons the tanaiste takes home about 450k a year dont see them calling for that to be cut. do junior ministers get car and driver why should our ministers get a permanent car and driver how about a pool when on official business. get rid of the private jet make all expenses everywhere in the public sector vouched. theres a start which wont get touched

i reckon 10-15c on a litre of fuel at least which will do wonders for our competitiveness.

brandon_flowers

Heard from a reputable source (car depot owner in cork) that VRT will be increasing by 5-10% in the emergency budget. He said he can see a lot of dealers with new cars on the forecourt now trying to flog them anyway they can by the end of the month.

Vim Fuego

I brough a car back from the UK in early February, presented it at a VRO on the next working day and am still waiting for the useless shower to get back to me with the VRT figure I have to pay.

I hope I can't be held to a new rate of tax if they don't pull the finger out in the next month or so. My perfect budgeting.....RUINED (must be how Brian Lenihan feels).

Anyway, back on topic, I agree the vaseline post. We're all f**ked. If I had a garden, I'd be planting my own vegetables right about now.

sunshinediver

I think we can expect to see Diesel prices brought in line with petrol prices.. :mad:

pburns

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Heard from a reputable source (car depot owner in cork) that VRT will be increasing by 5-10% in the emergency budget. He said he can see a lot of dealers with new cars on the forecourt now trying to flog them anyway they can by the end of the month.

If true, that's just nuts. I'll probably get lynched for saying I agreed with prohibitive VRT (DURING THE BOOM!)

We don't have a motor indusdtry or much a components industry so if consumers were willing to send all that money to Bavaria, Tokyo, Wolfburg etc. (and they were, they were!) it's a good revenue stream for the government. I have little time for the people who banged on about 'rip-off Ireland' (stand up Eddie Hobbs you gallery-playing little hobbit). Any economy with such huge momentum as ours had is gonna have this issue and it's self-perpetuating. More likely than not you were getting it back in an inflated pay packet. What did people want - a big salary and cheap products/services? :rolleyes:

At the moment though we need more imaginitive solutions. I can't see an increase in VRT helping the government coffers and it'll be the final nail in the coffin for the trade. No matter how bad things are they surely couldn't be serious about introducing this could they?

brandon_flowers

I hope its not but if it is I cant see anyone buying a car/van or any fleet upgrades of any description. Road tax and fuel will definitely go up though just depends how much.
Electricity prices dropping 12% due to falling oil prices, wait and see for an energy consumption tax.

Gurgle

pburns wrote: »

I can't see an increase in VRT helping the government coffers and it'll be the final nail in the coffin for the trade.

And a nice lift to second hand prices.

ART6

brandon_flowers wrote: »

I hope its not but if it is I cant see anyone buying a car/van or any fleet upgrades of any description. Road tax and fuel will definitely go up though just depends how much.
Electricity prices dropping 12% due to falling oil prices, wait and see for an energy consumption tax.

Anyone hear the rumour of carbon tax? That will get fuel and electricity prices back up where the Greens think they should be in one. The clowns government will get the money they need for wasteful public expenditure and the polar bears and penguins will move off the endangered lists. The motorists will move on to the endangered lists, but what the hell....:D