Quickish car, €5000 Max

Sqaull20

Finally got rid of my 00 1.3 Lancer and want something with more poke.It was a fine motor and served me well, but I had to floor it to keep up with Micra's .Fuel economy was terrible as well, €20 would get me 140 miles and it was mostly long journey's.Besides all that I was sad to see it go.It was ultra reliable and besides servicing, it never cost me a cent.I would like my new car to be as hassle free, but I dont see that happening for some reason.

Anyway I can go a few routes and would like your opinions!

Easiest and cheapest one would be to go the vtec/vti/mivec route, but that would involve going down the years and buying a yoke that could have been thrashed.

http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=87190&cat=all

Other one is to the big car route and get an Accord, Mazda 6, Saab etc but being 21 and only having 1 years ncb and full licence a while ago could be a problem.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1328014

Or finally go to the uk to pickup a cheap diesel and get a remap done.


http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/ni/cars_popup.jsp?searchform=&modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&photo=1&state=block&sort=&hassearched=Y&make=MG&min_pr=75&source=0&model=ZS&max_pr=&miles=1500&agerange=&mileage=&postcode=m52ty&variant=&bodyid=0&trim=&fuelid=2&colour=&transmissionid=0&keywords=&ukcarsearch_full.x=51&ukcarsearch_full.y=14&start=2&distance=180&adcategory=CARS&channel=CARS&id=200908329066784

What do yee think?

CharlieCroker

Personally, I'd be going along the Accord/Mazda6 route. Both are fairly reliable. Mazda 323F 1.5 could be another option. Quick enough.
Not a fan of those MG wannabe's unless its the RWD ZT V8.
As you say, a lot of the MIVEC, VTi etc have been thrashed but there are plenty of them out there so look hard and you'll find a good one. Personal choice from that group would be an FTO but insurance could be a problem.
If you were looking at diesel from the UK, a Peugeot 306 DTurbo 3dr is a fantastic car with loads of grunt.

seanybiker

wouldnt go for any of them ya posted meself.
Go up north or over to england and save yourself a bit.

Sqaull20

CharlieCroker wrote: »

Personally, I'd be going along the Accord/Mazda6 route. Both are fairly reliable. Mazda 323F 1.5 could be another option. Quick enough.
Not a fan of those MG wannabe's unless its the RWD ZT V8.
As you say, a lot of the MIVEC, VTi etc have been thrashed but there are plenty of them out there so look hard and you'll find a good one. Personal choice from that group would be an FTO but insurance could be a problem.
If you were looking at diesel from the UK, a Peugeot 306 DTurbo 3dr is a fantastic car with loads of grunt.

Looking at the FTO as well, insurance can be worked around if I get my mam to insure it.I can drive other cars with my current policy and its costing her 500 to insure the fto.I could buy a banger for 300 and get comprehensive insurance on that, which will cover me to drive other cars for 1100 or so.

This is the one I was looking at.

http://www.fto-ireland.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8948

Are they expensive to maintain or just like any other car?

Sqaull20

seanybiker wrote: »

wouldnt go for any of them ya posted meself.
Go up north or over to england and save yourself a bit.

Im thinking that way as well, but most of the good deals are 8000+.Limited choice on my budget for a good diesel.

CharlieCroker

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Looking at the FTO as well, insurance can be worked around if I get my mam to insure it.I can drive other cars with my current policy and its costing her 500 to insure the fto.I could buy a banger for 300 and get comprehensive insurance on that, which will cover me to drive other cars for 1100 or so.

This is the one I was looking at.

http://www.fto-ireland.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8948

Are they expensive to maintain or just like any other car?

I don't know a huge amount about them but that particular one seems to want for nothing. Ideal too, cos owners who are joined an owners club tend to look after there cars a lot more.

bazz26

Just a few at random:

Renault Clio 172:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1208881

Peugeot 206 GTi:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1317078

Ford Focus ST170:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1184827

Peugeot 406 Coupe:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1325268

Subaru Legacy B4:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1320965

A little outside your budget but worth considering too.

Skoda Octavia vRS:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1310772
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1325010

p-nut

You have to take into account the long term running costs aswel, a 2 litre engine generally means higher road tax and lower mpg's. Is that a factor?

If you want a 2 litre, have a look at peugeot 206/306gti or renaultsport clio's

1.8 litre, i'd recommend a 1.8T ibiza/leon/octavia/golf gti or an integra type r (the only affordable vtec worth talking about imo)

1.6 litre, have a look at citroen saxo vts, peugeot 106 gti, vw polo gti. I've owned one of each of these three cars, and they're all fantastic little machines. Saxo and 106 are exactly the same as each other, and are a little quicker than the polo as the polo is weighed down with the big comfy seats and other extras like climate control and 6 disc cd changer etc. all three produce the same power from a 1.6 16v engine and have good tuning capabilities. I've heard of people getting up to 150 bhp from a polo with an exhaust and remap.

IMO, especially on irish roads anyway, good handling is more important than power, as you will have more fun throwing your car into bends than driving fast in a straight line, and there are a lot more twisty roads than long motorways;)

S.I.R

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Finally got rid of my 00 1.3 Lancer and want something with more poke.It was a fine motor and served me well, but I had to floor it to keep up with Micra's .Fuel economy was terrible as well, €20 would get me 140 miles and it was mostly long journey's.Besides all that I was sad to see it go.It was ultra reliable and besides servicing, it never cost me a cent.I would like my new car to be as hassle free, but I dont see that happening for some reason.

Anyway I can go a few routes and would like your opinions!

Easiest and cheapest one would be to go the vtec/vti/mivec route, but that would involve going down the years and buying a yoke that could have been thrashed.

http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=87190&cat=all

Other one is to the big car route and get an Accord, Mazda 6, Saab etc but being 21 and only having 1 years ncb and full licence a while ago could be a problem.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1328014

Or finally go to the uk to pickup a cheap diesel and get a remap done.


http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/ni/cars_popup.jsp?searchform=&modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&photo=1&state=block&sort=&hassearched=Y&make=MG&min_pr=75&source=0&model=ZS&max_pr=&miles=1500&agerange=&mileage=&postcode=m52ty&variant=&bodyid=0&trim=&fuelid=2&colour=&transmissionid=0&keywords=&ukcarsearch_full.x=51&ukcarsearch_full.y=14&start=2&distance=180&adcategory=CARS&channel=CARS&id=200908329066784

What do yee think?

quick as in 0-60, 0-100 ?? quickest cornering... straight lines ??

anything would be good...


get a bmw, get it breathing propperly and shorten the gear ratios... cost effective acceloration...


top speed is a useless figure as it takes you so long to reach it

Sqaull20

S.I.R wrote: »

quick as in 0-60, 0-100 ?? quickest cornering... straight lines ??

anything would be good...


get a bmw, get it breathing propperly and shorten the gear ratios... cost effective acceloration...


top speed is a useless figure as it takes you so long to reach it

Im not looking for an Evo beater or anything, just something that doesnt have to be dogged to get up a hill with 3 in the back.I wont be driving past 100 ever, so something that has say sub 10sec to 60 and can ride crap roads well is the most important.

I dont really like the Clio's and wouldn't buy a petrol peugeot, diesel 1.6 or 2.0would be nice but hard to get one for 5k.I drive my dads A4 diesel a good bit and it has plenty of power, but i dont need a big family car so that rules out the Octavia's, Mazda 6's etc.

That Focus ST bazza linked is exactly what I want, but the milage is very high.Fuel economy and tax isnt important, I drive about 50 miles a day and the Lancer was only giving me 30-35mpg, its not like a 2.0 which wont have to be worked as hard will be much worse.

I have been looking at 2.0 Hyundai Coupes and Alfa's, good reviews on them and very cheap for all leather, powerfulish engines etc.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1333458

maidhc

I know I will be flamed, but a diesel like the Golf TDI 130 might fit the bill.

VolvoMan

850 T-5.:)

Jumpy

Squall - Sebs FTO would be in good nick. Mine is for sale as well. Its the same car pretty much except in Silver. However his is going to be cheaper, he is letting that one go for almost nothing.

garyegt

heres a quick, reliable and very good handling car, a nissan primera GT. they look smart, nice and spacious etc class 14 insurance iirc so not that bad:) its got 150bhp and a 2 ltr engine, the same found in the likes of 200sx without the turbo, and youd get more or less 40mpg on a motorway



ok so its in england but its 900 pounds, so about 1100 euro then vrt on it would still be a lot less than your budget. its for sale on www.npoc.co.uk if your interested

Sqaull20

Nice power, but its not much of a step up look wise compared to my old yoke.

What do you guys think of a bmw diesel Rover 75?

Bit of a grandad yoke style wise, but 300nm of torque and a bmw engine changes all that :pac:

Wouldn't have any problem with hills again!

What do yee think of this one?

http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=99569&cat=2

Henry Ford III

S.I.R wrote: »

quick as in 0-60, 0-100 ?? quickest cornering... straight lines ??

anything would be good...


get a bmw, get it breathing propperly and shorten the gear ratios... cost effective acceloration...


top speed is a useless figure as it takes you so long to reach it

How would OP do this? New gearbox or diff?

sebfto

huge difference between an FTO and a rover .

I'm currently on my 3rd FTO and i must say that they are some amazing cars .
Insurance could be a pain in the back if you were never insured before.


The red GR has 170bhp ,good power for a N/a v6 engine

Barr

I'd second the FTO - great cars with a sweet V6

Is that red one yours Seb ? any idea what the cost of a replacing the clutch is ?

HashSlinging

I say you could have this landed for that money.

siralfalot

200bhp, 50mpg, very reliable, very good looking, sure what else could you ask for? :D

http://www.cbg.ie/car_detail.aspx?ID=2778349

sebfto

Barr wrote: »

I'd second the FTO - great cars with a sweet V6

Is that red one yours Seb ? any idea what the cost of a replacing the clutch is ?

i qot quotes between 200-250 euro from different garages ,with me providing the bits.

the car runs okay o only got a few hundred kms since last nct , it's just that there is a noise coming from the clutch that's why i think it needs changing .

but let's not spoil yer mans thread

galwaytt

siralfalot wrote: »

200bhp, 50mpg, very reliable, very good looking, sure what else could you ask for? :D

http://www.cbg.ie/car_detail.aspx?ID=2778349

...crumbs, I like that.....:)

CianRyan

siralfalot wrote: »

200bhp, 50mpg, very reliable, very good looking, sure what else could you ask for? :D

http://www.cbg.ie/car_detail.aspx?ID=2778349

I was going to suggest this. :rolleyes:

Fizman

siralfalot wrote: »

200bhp, 50mpg, very reliable, very good looking, sure what else could you ask for? :D

http://www.cbg.ie/car_detail.aspx?ID=2778349

That 156 ticks a lot of boxes.....but does it tick this one??? Be honest!

siralfalot

Fizman wrote: »

That 156 ticks a lot of boxes.....but does it tick this one??? Be honest!

honestly?

I've had it 3 years, and apart from spending money on modifications, the only two times it let me down was when I had to put an altenator in it, and when it needed a clutch, thats it, the diesels are different animals completly to the petrols.

Its actually sickening to have to sell it, but needs must, and I needed a four wheel drive

Caliden

Ever thought about a golf tdi 150 ?
50 mpg with plenty of torque and 0-60 in just over 8 seconds.

gary the great

What about a Lexus IS200? Should be able to brign one in from the Uk for that money...or maybe even a celica.

I currently have an Alfa 147 and never had bother with it, would highly recommend one. Just DO NOT buy the selespeed though, thats hwere you will get problems. A lot of car for the money i think.

Hal1

Alfa would get my vote so far. The petrols, well the octavia great car driven one recently but was a 1.9tdi. The legecy looks ok never driven one but turns heads not sure for the right reasons though, the golf might fall into this category also. :pac:. The Alfa is the clear winner so far imo.

pablosd

dont be afraid of big cars coz insurance will probably work out cheaper than a vtec or mivec anyways, i bought a 00 Merc e200 Kompressor, and it turned out to be easily insurable against a vtec or gsr turbo, while i wudnt get a qoute on a vtec at all, merc(2.0 Supercharged RWD) cost me 260e on top of my previous car(ford focus 1.6) which works out about 3000e a year TPFT 19 years old no NCB with quoteline.ie

kuro_man

siralfalot wrote: »

200bhp, 50mpg, very reliable, very good looking, sure what else could you ask for? :D

http://www.cbg.ie/car_detail.aspx?ID=2778349

Electrics that work?

siralfalot

kuro_man wrote: »

Electrics that work?

Electrics work perfectly well thank you very much

Sqaull20

Caliden wrote: »

Ever thought about a golf tdi 150 ?
50 mpg with plenty of torque and 0-60 in just over 8 seconds.

Thats what I will go for i'd say.

I have spent the whole weekend test driving cars and a turbo diesel is looking good.I went for a spin in a 03 1.6l Hyundai Coupe yesterday and all though comfy it wasn't that nice to drive, very dead after 3rd gear and a bit boring, expected alot more.I also went for a spin in 1.8 02 Astra and thought it was very nice, plenty of power, comfortable, really good etc but the owner didn't want to haggle at all and 5.5k for a 02 with 80k miles on the clock was way too much, for 4k I would have taken it.

Today I went to see a 99 Rover 75, which looked great in the pics and was suppose to be the 135bhp cdti, but it was infact the 115bhp cdt with way lower torque and it felt very dead, no better than my 1.3 Lancer and it was different than in the pics.It wasn't all bad though as we went into a VW garage and took a 03 Golf 1.9tdi gt 130bhp for a spin which was still on english plates.It was a blast to drive, power in every gear and although I didnt get past 60mph I can imagine overtaking is a breeze in it, as you can really feel the power early on.

Very hard to get a Golf for a good price in that diesel power range but a Skoda Fabia VRS has the same engine with a lighter body and even more torque I think, plenty of them in the UK and a few here.

So Fabia VRS 130?

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1348381

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Top-Gear-clip-Skoda-Fabia_84232.htm

Do VW do a higher powered diesel Polo?

Can find any on carzone, except petrol.

HashSlinging

Another alternative.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/SEAT/Leon/1.9-TDI-/200840190232508/advert

Cant say your going to be lucky with 5k.

dleona

I have a 2001 Mazda 323 F 2.0 Sport for sale if you interested. It might fit the bill. You'll have plenty of chage out of 5K.

http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=101358

fletch

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Do VW do a higher powered diesel Polo?

Can find any on carzone, except petrol.

They do one with the 1.9TDI 130bhp alright but it's uber rare and expensive.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/911702.htm
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/920331.htm

Sqaull20

dleona wrote: »

I have a 2001 Mazda 323 F 2.0 Sport for sale if you interested. It might fit the bill. You'll have plenty of chage out of 5K.

http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=101358

Looks good and fits the bill, but no nct!

Atomic Pineapple

Stretch a little bit and buy my Integra Type R !

Its the European model so takes to our roads better, has better security, more comfort, and is easier to insure than the japanese version. 190bhp, stunning handling and 25 - 30mpg :cool:

oh and nct until 02/2010

http://adverts.ie/75215

martydunf

draffodx wrote: »

Stretch a little bit and buy my Integra Type R !

Its the European model so takes to our roads better, has better security, more comfort, and is easier to insure than the japanese version. 190bhp, stunning handling and 25 - 30mpg :cool:

oh and nct until 02/2010

http://adverts.ie/75215

Why you selling??:p

pyramuid man

What about this?

Gumbo

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Looks good and fits the bill, but no nct!

im sure that can be sorted out very very easy, like its only 50 euro and an hours work to get it sorted in the NCT centre.

martydunf wrote: »

Why you selling??:p

i think he seen a nice sylvia that he likes!!!

wink wink ross's S14! wink wink

smash

Clio 172?

Sqaull20

draffodx wrote: »

Stretch a little bit and buy my Integra Type R !

Its the European model so takes to our roads better, has better security, more comfort, and is easier to insure than the japanese version. 190bhp, stunning handling and 25 - 30mpg :cool:

oh and nct until 02/2010

http://adverts.ie/75215

Would love the performance, but dont like the look of Integra's.They are also very hard to insure and if I am going to be robbed by the insurance's comps, im going to get a turbo charged STI or EVO FQ, otherwise whats the point.

kceire wrote: »

im sure that can be sorted out very very easy, like its only 50 euro and an hours work to get it sorted in the NCT centre

People selling these days want alot more than 50 euro to do the nct for you.It looks nice but he wants money for the nct :rolleyes:

steve06 wrote: »

Clio 172?

Like the Integra, its too aggressive looking and I dont like 3 doors.

pyramuid man wrote: »

What about this?

A 00 1.8 Petrol Golf with nearly 110k miles on the clock and all for just under 5k is something I am trying to avoid, its crazy money.

I am going to look at the Fabia VRS below on wednesday, what should I be looking out for and is it priced well or do you think I should be getting something off?

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1348381

Its reserved looks and decent power appeals to me, but is 86k miles alot?

Atomic Pineapple

kceire wrote: »

i think he seen a nice sylvia that he likes!!!

wink wink ross's S14! wink wink

to be honest I'd rather keep the integra and ad a turbo rwd car as a second car as I'm afraid i'll miss the handling of the integra

@Sqaull20, excellent choice with the fabia and 86k is nothing on a modern engine if its been serviced well

Sqaull20

draffodx wrote: »

@Sqaull20, excellent choice with the fabia and 86k is nothing on a modern engine if its been serviced well

Went to look at it today and going to collect it on saturday.Lovely yoke to drive, power in every gear and very torquey.Its very well looked after as well with a full service history.

Only negative point about the car is there is little tar marks on the rear bumper, but I have heard they are easy enough to get out?

Anyone know any good products?

colm_mcm

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Only negative point about the car is there is little tar marks on the rear bumper, but I have heard they are easy enough to get out?

Anyone know any good products?

WD40 works for this.

Atomic Pineapple

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Went to look at it today and going to collect it on saturday.Lovely yoke to drive, power in every gear and very torquey.Its very well looked after as well with a full service history.

Only negative point about the car is there is little tar marks on the rear bumper, but I have heard they are easy enough to get out?

Anyone know any good products?

get some pics up when you get it!

nice choice and good luck with it

as for the tar, its easily removed as colm says wd40 or any tar remover and a bit of effort will take it off, you'll have to de-tar your car every so often if you drive it a lot

Sqaull20

Thanks lads I will give it a good scrub and post up some pics when I get her.Lidl have loads of stuff on thursday.

http://www.lidl.ie/ie/home.nsf/pages/c.o.20092670.index

Also what do you guys think of remapping?

Im not going to do it straight away, will probably wait until the summer, but is it safe and anyone know any good places around Limerick?

This place is in Limerick and the prices and results look very good.

130bhp - 170bhp

310nm torque - 405nm. thats more than an M3 :eek:

http://www.tunemyecu.com/skoda.htm

fletch

Get used to washing the Fabia, whatever way the air flows over it, the back gets filthy very quickly!
Congrats on the purchase. I nearly had my OH convinced that we should have two Fabia vRS's but you got there first & bought b4 we could go look

HashSlinging

Welcome to the dark side. Great deal there..