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Usually people with the talent go ahead and do it anyway, or have done some sort of design course. Those who ask for someone else to do it usually are not that good. Web Design isnt all about using Dreamweaver you know!
Not sure where that came from, coz I never implied that it was.Been saying it well before I got into this line of work..
Fair enough.these things should be done properly.
Well here is the crux, a website is rarely done perfectly. Even if say your company do a smashing job on every site you build, which I'm sure is the case, through no real fault of your own there would almost inevitably be something that maybe after a week or so the client will think hmm I don't quite like this, or I wished that worked like this etc etc. You or one of your team won't always be available to work on the site - and even if/when you are it would likely mean a fee. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's a downright mistake to outsource it, but it's a bigger mistake to have little or no knowledge or at the very least not to have anyone associated with your website project having any understanding of how your website was designed and how you can easily update it and if necessary reconfigure parts of it.
I guess we can only all just speak from our own perspective. Mine was I began with a hobby website about poker - at the time I started it I was a serious amateur player. I built it using Dreamweaver (that is not a recommendation of Dreamweaver btw -it was just a fun site at the time), after a time when I got more and more into it, I researched SEO stuff and ended up paying a guy a small fee who also educated me on the subject. I was well impressed with him. At one time my site was briefly no.1 on google for 'online poker advice'. My site continued to get more hits and advertisers actually contacted me. I was getting p'd off with using Dreamweaver for various reasons, so I decided to go back to the guy who helped me out and ask him was he interested in completely re-designing my site. This was a big mistake on my part, although I was more or less happy with the look of my site, it was a definite improvement from my earlier version, I found I wasn't able to work easily with the new system, this is why I think it's important that anyone who has their own website must educate themselves in this area and must have at least a reasonable understanding of the implications of what ever CMS they choose, if they want to work with someone else - whether outsourcing it to a company like yourselves or partnering with someone who's field is web-design then fair enough, but washing their hands and leaving someone else to get on with it with no knowledge or input would be madness, I know that to my own cost.
I've also had another bad experience vis-a-vis outsourcing. I was going to create a new website last year using joomla. The time allotted for the Project was meant to be 2 weeks. On elance I had people bidding on the project - the guy who won it, who was meant to begin on the project straight away, it was headache trying to get across what I wanted to him, to cut a long story short it already wasn't working out and then he went AWOL for months on end, by the time he got back to me months later I had other things going on and I felt he just wouldn't have done it in the way I wanted the project done anyway. If I had just bitten the bullet and done the website myself it might have taken me months but in the end I've no doubt I would have gotten a decent site up and running the way I wanted it. Granted I do have some advantage over a regular Joe-Soap, I used to be a computer programmer myself, though not in web development, still that sort of background is an advantage I would think for someone who wants to further their web development/design experience.
Anyway getting back to the OP if he can't afford to hire someone he's got to learn how to do it himself - or perhaps he could look for a partner who does do web-design(Not just Dreamweaver or Frontpage thought I better stipulate that for you there Sully
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Not trying to rundown your business btw Sully. I'm sure ye do great work but I disagree with the thinking that if people can't afford to hire someone then they are screwed.0 -
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luckylucky wrote: »Not sure where that came from, coz I never implied that it was.
I'm just saying in general.
Well here is the crux, a website is rarely done perfectly. Even if say your company do a smashing job on every site you build, which I'm sure is the case, through no real fault of your own there would almost inevitably be something that maybe after a week or so the client will think hmm I don't quite like this, or I wished that worked like this etc etc. You or one of your team won't always be available to work on the site - and even if/when you are it would likely mean a fee. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's a downright mistake to outsource it, but it's a bigger mistake to have little or no knowledge or at the very least not to have anyone associated with your website project having any understanding of how your website was designed and how you can easily update it and if necessary reconfigure parts of it
Well from our side its done perfectly if the website is designed and developed to the exact requirements of the client. They are kept updated right through the whole process, giving their feedback as we go along. When it comes to making changes, we usually have no issues doing the small stuff for free as its done a rare basis. When it becomes more regular they are offered a payment plan (prior to all this, they are told this is how we usually operate and they can invest in a CMS if they wish). Most businesses in this area work in very similar ways. Its a lot more hassle, for most people, to do it themselves. This type of jobs, like repairing a car or building a house, should really be given to the professionals if you want it done right. Unless, you have the ability to quickly learn and do very similar or just as good work yourself. If you are interested, learn a little along the way so that your not completely in the dark (which a lot of people are, by choice).I guess we can only all just speak from our own perspective. Mine was I began with a hobby website about poker - at the time I started it I was a serious amateur player. I built it using Dreamweaver (that is not a recommendation of Dreamweaver btw -it was just a fun site at the time), after a time when I got more and more into it, I researched SEO stuff and ended up paying a guy a small fee who also educated me on the subject. I was well impressed with him. At one time my site was briefly no.1 on google for 'online poker advice'. My site continued to get more hits and advertisers actually contacted me. I was getting p'd off with using Dreamweaver for various reasons, so I decided to go back to the guy who helped me out and ask him was he interested in completely re-designing my site. This was a big mistake on my part, although I was more or less happy with the look of my site, it was a definite improvement from my earlier version, I found I wasn't able to work easily with the new system, this is why I think it's important that anyone who has their own website must educate themselves in this area and must have at least a reasonable understanding of the implications of what ever CMS they choose, if they want to work with someone else - whether outsourcing it to a company like yourselves or partnering with someone who's field is web-design then fair enough, but washing their hands and leaving someone else to get on with it with no knowledge or input would be madness, I know that to my own cost.
I've also had another bad experience vis-a-vis outsourcing. I was going to create a new website last year using joomla. The time allotted for the Project was meant to be 2 weeks. On elance I had people bidding on the project - the guy who won it, who was meant to begin on the project straight away, it was headache trying to get across what I wanted to him, to cut a long story short it already wasn't working out and then he went AWOL for months on end, by the time he got back to me months later I had other things going on and I felt he just wouldn't have done it in the way I wanted the project done anyway. If I had just bitten the bullet and done the website myself it might have taken me months but in the end I've no doubt I would have gotten a decent site up and running the way I wanted it. Granted I do have some advantage over a regular Joe-Soap, I used to be a computer programmer myself, though not in web development, still that sort of background is an advantage I would think for someone who wants to further their web development/design experience.
A few people on this forum in the past who have knocked designers (mainly due to their fees) have suggested out sourcing on such sites. A lot of people I know who went down that route (including myself when looking for staff) found it a headache sometimes when dealing with these people. Just like you have experienced. Which is why you should look for an established business (or freelancer) with all of what I was talking about earlier. This way, you can avoid all that because you are dealing with someone with plenty of experience dealing with customers, making sites and making things easy on people who are not that good with it all.
In your case, you not only have the added advantage but clearly are a quick learner and can do what the average person cant/wont.Anyway getting back to the OP if he can't afford to hire someone he's got to learn how to do it himself - or perhaps he could look for a partner who does do web-design(Not just Dreamweaver or Frontpage thought I better stipulate that for you there Sully)
I still disagree with doing it yourself unless you are a quick learner, think you can put up something very good with a bit of time and effort. If you can, go for it. Well worth it.Not trying to rundown your business btw Sully. I'm sure ye do great work but I disagree with the thinking that if people can't afford to hire someone then they are screwed.
Matter of opinion really. "screwed" maybe not but I think websites done professionally usually do better then those which are not. Again tho, it depends on how good you as a "newbie" are at all this. 0 -
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