wages !!

LegacyUser

Hi all,

I'm a 34 year old male. Being working in the same job for the last 8 years. Brainless job so a monkey could do it. I have no college qualifications. After 8 years I'm taking home E425 a week. I'm totally replacable. Should I ask for a pay rise ? Am I better off on the dole ? Should I be happy that I have a job ? I'm ashamed of the money I make. Although I work hard (manual job) I have friends with degrees making 5 times as much in the chem/pharma field while not breaking a sweat. Not that I begrudge them I don't. They payed their dues in college. What should I do ? Far as I can make out i'm below the industrial wage but above the minimum.

bluecell99

Eight years is a good stretch of time and I think you would be perfectly justified in asking for a pay rise.If they say no then consider your options more fully at that stage.

Good luck.

missbaker

Hi, No u are not better off on the dole. Less money and the complete boredom would im sure get to you after while! Im pretty much in the same boat as you. Came home from travelling this time last yr, Been working my arse off since for a little more than youa re getting. But I am looking into doing a coourse part time so that I do get a qualification.
What would you be interested in doing? Would you look into doing some part time study and getting a qualification. You wont feel a few yrs go by and then you can look for a job you like and earn mega bucks.
I definitely would not recommend giving up your job anyway.

mikemac

Might be time to go to college?
They are schemes for mature students, possibly back to eduction but I'm not sure of the exact name.


Decent website
www.gradireland.com

part-time courses
www.nightcourses.com


I'd ask for a raise from 425, it's pretty low for the service you've given

smares

Unregistered wrote: »

Hi all,

I'm a 34 year old male. Being working in the same job for the last 8 years. Brainless job so a monkey could do it. I have no college qualifications. After 8 years I'm taking home E425 a week. I'm totally replacable. Should I ask for a pay rise ? Am I better off on the dole ? Should I be happy that I have a job ? I'm ashamed of the money I make. Although I work hard (manual job) I have friends with degrees making 5 times as much in the chem/pharma field while not breaking a sweat. Not that I begrudge them I don't. They payed their dues in college. What should I do ? Far as I can make out i'm below the industrial wage but above the minimum.

Your ashamed of the money you make working hard,yet your asking would you be better off on the dole!!
TBH you should be glad you have a job to go to everyday with the amount of people being let go everyday. After 8 years your defo entitled to ask for a pay rise it's not the easiest thing to ask,but you have nothing to lose by asking its worth a try

well you're not better off on the dole.. you're in a tough spot here but in these times, keeping your head down and working through it is your best bet.

the boredom of dole and half as much money would drive you mad..

aside from working through it, studying through this recession wouldn't be a bad idea.. my brother did an intensive cisco systems network administrator course a few years back. just an idea

MJOR

You could ask for a wage increase. To be honest I understand your frustration but I'd imagine you be equally if not more bored on the dole.

Tony Broke

425e a week ( after tax ) for a job a monkey could do.

What are you complaining about?

I mean what do you expect?

700e a week :pac:

You have a steady wage and 425e take home is more than fine for a non skilled job.The industrial wage your on about is a load of bollix.Companies are closing shop everyday and will keep closing, so I dont know where these figures are coming from.

The posters telling you to ask for a pay rise and go to college full time to make mega bucks in the future are crazy tbh.You wont get the pay rise imo and thousands of students who have invested huge amounts of money into their education are going to be at the front of the dole queues.Days of the mega bucks are gone and college education is very expensive and ain't all that, unless you are really clever and can complete a top course.

Keep working away and do a part time course in something worthwhile.

craichoe

Unregistered wrote: »

Hi all,

I'm a 34 year old male. Being working in the same job for the last 8 years. Brainless job so a monkey could do it. I have no college qualifications. After 8 years I'm taking home E425 a week. I'm totally replacable. Should I ask for a pay rise ? Am I better off on the dole ? Should I be happy that I have a job ? I'm ashamed of the money I make. Although I work hard (manual job) I have friends with degrees making 5 times as much in the chem/pharma field while not breaking a sweat. Not that I begrudge them I don't. They payed their dues in college. What should I do ? Far as I can make out i'm below the industrial wage but above the minimum.

Study and do something you want you do because your interested it and you find it fulfilling, ultimately studying for a profession that you do not like but chose it for the money aspect will stick you in the dole queue because you were behind the guy that had the interest in it because he enjoyed it.

So your on about 28k a year? thats not so bad ! theres lots of people out there that dont have a job !

Boskowski

After 8 years asking for a rise is definitely overdue. Matter of fact you probably left it too long.

The other thing is that in recent years 425 may not have looked like much to you. But in fact 425 cleared isn't bad for work 'a monkey could do'. And 425 will look better soon when the dole gets cut (overdue).

Don't know what your mates do but are you telling me they clear 2000 a week? Don't believe everything...

LegacyUser

Op here.

Thanks for the replys. I know in these days I'm lucky to have a job. Just feel that I should be earning more for my age. Don't see the point in doing evening courses etc. which would cost money when people with one and two degrees can't get jobs. In my 15 years of working I spent about 6 weeks on the dole between jobs and it drove me nuts. I'd rather be out sweeping the streets for a euro an hour than sitting at home looking at the 4 walls.

Thanks.

MagicMarker

If you want to earn more then take the steps necessary to further yourself.

dny123456

dole is 205 a week right? You're getting 425 a week... i'd say you're about 2 times better off working than you would be on the dole. You might think it monkey work, but plenty of others out there would love to have it. Count your blessings

axel rose

I know you titled this post as wages but somehow I dont think that you would be content if your salary was doubled. I get the impression that youve reached the maximum potential in your current job and you need a bigger challenge.......Congratulations!

I agree with the other posters who advise you not to resign, a boring job is better than no job any day. Think about it, could you really manage long term on €200 a week for God knows how long?

I suggest you get a plan. Giving up your current job is not a plan (Its mad Ted). Training and studying is your only solution. Find out about evening courses available. Is there any chance that your current employers would support a training course to help you progress? (My husband will be collecting his degree in a couple of months thants to his employers support! :D:D)

Now I know you spoke about money but you have to have interest and (dare I say) a bit of passion about your next career. Studying a subject you hate will set you up for failure. Do you want to work in an office or with people? Do you mind working weekends? Would you be prepared to travel? Do you want to work on your own or as part of a team?

Good luck. Let us know what you decide.

MagicMarker

Unregistered wrote: »

Don't see the point in doing evening courses etc.

That's the kind of attitude that has you earning 400 a week at 34.

Keep it up.

LegacyUser

realcam wrote: »

After 8 years asking for a rise is definitely overdue. Matter of fact you probably left it too long.

The other thing is that in recent years 425 may not have looked like much to you. But in fact 425 cleared isn't bad for work 'a monkey could do'. And 425 will look better soon when the dole gets cut (overdue).

Don't know what your mates do but are you telling me they clear 2000 a week? Don't believe everything...

When I say a monkey could do it I mean its unskilled labour. Still takes a bit of training and induction for new people. Maybe my friends don't clear 2K a week but they clear a hell of a lot more than me. And fair play to them.

I've gotten small incremental rises over the years but nothing substantial. Thing is the job is while strenuous, non-stressful. Once the job at hand is done its ok to stop for a fag, cup of tea whenever suits. Boss is cool as the breeze. Suited me till now but my circumstances have changed so I kinda need a few more bob coming in.

mikemac

Unregistered wrote: »

Op here.

..Don't see the point in doing evening courses etc. which would cost money when people with one and two degrees can't get jobs.

Fair enough.
At 34 you are doing in your own words "Brainless job so a monkey could do it" and you are totally "replaceable"

Maybe learning more about chemical & pharmaceutical field would useful but obviously not.
You don't have a lot going for you and you won't push yourself to improve as you are considering quitting to go on the dole.

But you earn double the dole amount for doing a easy job. If you quit on your own accord, you have to wait 9 weeks before applying for job seekers benefit.
So best of staying where you are

Where's your ambition man?
I don't want to see your post in 5 years time still earning the same or equivalent and you doing nothing to change it

smileykey

Do an evening course,
1)they don't cost that much,
2)it will give you something to get your brain working which might make up for the mindlessness you say your job requires,
3) if you work hard and do well at it it will give you something to be proud about instead of ashamed and
4) it will more than likely be an investment moneywise too. If we all give up hope of improving our situation because we decide that the recession is going to last forever then we'll make it last forever.

LegacyUser

MagicMarker wrote: »

That's the kind of attitude that has you earning 400 a week at 34.

Keep it up.

Way to take things out of context. So I pay a fortune now to do an evening course in accountancy( for example, take your pick ) and theres no chance of a job in said field. Wow thats great economic sense. Thanks MagicMarker. Anymore sound advice ?

MagicMarker

Unregistered wrote: »

Way to take things out of context. So I pay a fortune now to do an evening course in accountancy( for example, take your pick ) and theres no chance of a job in said field. Wow thats great economic sense. Thanks MagicMarker. Anymore sound advice ?

Hit a nerve did I?

Maybe we should tell all the students in the country to just quit, and settle for 400 a week for the rest of their lives? They're obviously all just wasting their time doing pointless courses.

LegacyUser

mikemac wrote: »

Fair enough.
At 34 you are doing in your own words "Brainless job so a monkey could do it" and you are totally "replaceable"

Maybe learning more about chemical & pharmaceutical field would useful but obviously not.
You don't have a lot going for you and you won't push yourself to improve as you are considering quitting to go on the dole.

But you earn double the dole amount for doing a easy job. If you quit on your own accord, you have to wait 9 weeks before applying for job seekers benefit.
So best of staying where you are

Where's your ambition man?
I don't want to see your post in 5 years time still earning the same or equivalent and you doing nothing to change it

Naw i'd never give up a job to be on the dole. My buddies have done 6-7 years in the pharma field before they got their jobs so I'm not gonna catch up with them !! I'll defo stay in the job just getting a bit pissed off. Then again when I hear on the radio about all the job losses I count my blessings.

Thanks.

axel rose

Unregistered wrote: »

Way to take things out of context. So I pay a fortune now to do an evening course in accountancy( for example, take your pick ) and theres no chance of a job in said field. Wow thats great economic sense. Thanks MagicMarker. Anymore sound advice ?

Ok, I think every poster here has recommended study to help you progress. You disagree. What do you suggest?

celestial

So let me get this straight. You are doing the exact same brainless job as a completely dispensable employee for 8 years, have made no effort and plan to make no effort to improve your skills/qualifications related to your job - but yet feel dissatisfied with your lot and feel you should consider asking for a payrise.

Am I missing something here? You are exactly where you should be.

LegacyUser

OFT. The verification word I had to type in was "rehired". lol

No Magic Marker, Any four year accountancy student is going to get a job over anyone who does an evening course in the same. Or whatever the length of other courses. And the way things are going they may not have a job either.

I'm stretched paying rent, esb, food bills as it is. Am I to risk in this economic climate a big payout on the very slight off chance that I might get a job ahead of qualified ucc/cit students ? Don't think so.

LegacyUser

Ok. Maybe I underestimated myself. I work very hard. I am fantastic at a multifaceted job. I do 50 different things a day and I do them well. What I originally meant was that my job didn't entail having a college degree. I learn and teach others something new everyday. I work with 3 others and my immediate boss would be ****ed without me. I can transit from job a to b to c without effort. I'm proud of the good job I do but think maybe I should be paid a bit more for it. Thats all.

MagicMarker

Unregistered wrote: »

OFT. The verification word I had to type in was "rehired". lol

No Magic Marker, Any four year accountancy student is going to get a job over anyone who does an evening course in the same. Or whatever the length of other courses. And the way things are going they may not have a job either.

I'm stretched paying rent, esb, food bills as it is. Am I to risk in this economic climate a big payout on the very slight off chance that I might get a job ahead of qualified ucc/cit students ? Don't think so.

Oh FFS stop with the pathetic excuses.

Any employer will look at the fact that you've been in the same job for 8 years (meaning you're dependable), took initiative to further yourself (showing ambition) and managed to gain qualifications via a part time course (meaning hardworking).

They are all good qualities that actually give you an edge over any newly graduated student. Once you're qualified, you're qualified, that's all they care about.

But hey, it's your life.

smileykey

Not everyone values education. We all suggested it but it doesn't seem to be his thing. It doesn't have to be. He may have other options. (I don't know why I'm assuming you're a he, sorry if I'm wrong).

OP do you think there's any chance in moving up in the job you currently have? Like do they hire supervisors, etc from the floor? or if not could you apply for a supervisory position in another similar company?

If neither of these options are available to you maybe you could do some charity work which would give you experience in a different field that could eventually lead to a job position and it would give you something to be proud about.

eire2009

Go on the dole now after 6 months you qualify for the back to education allowance so you can start this simester 206 quidd a week apply for all the grants aswell you could get 1000+ into the hand half way through the semister and wont have to pay the fees either...

You go in as a mature student so you can do whatever you want .. once you put the time and effort in you can achieve anything.. Id suggest a handy 3year degree but its your choice

If thats too much hassel apply for all the public service jobs there all well paid if you get in you it would help if you know somone..

lets face it you`ll be working another 30 years so time to do somthing

celestial

Circumstances are circumstances. You can't control them completely. What you can control completely, though, is your attitude. You get out what you put in. Getting to where you want to be in the jobs market is about selling yourself, making other people want to hire you. To do this you need to take some steps. Start thinking about that or be content with what you have.

eire2009

o yea you can work as much as you want on the back to education allowance aswell and still keep it .. so if you pick up a pt job for 200 quid a week youll be on more money haha and in college full time

or pay 14`000 or get a loan 2-3 years in canada and your a poliot

LegacyUser

MagicMarker wrote: »

Oh FFS stop with the pathetic excuses.

Any employer will look at the fact that you've been in the same job for 8 years (meaning you're dependable), took initiative to further yourself (showing ambition) and managed to gain qualifications via a part time course (meaning hardworking).

They are all good qualities that actually give you an edge over any newly graduated student. Once you're qualified, you're qualified, that's all they care about.

But hey, it's your life.

Excellent point. Not joking i didn't think of it that way. Cheers MM ! You may just have given me the shot up the ass I needed. Thanks !

MagicMarker

MagicMarker wrote: »

Hit a nerve did I?

eh i think this thread has hit a nerve with you.. you're completely out of line with your posting.

MagicMarker

Unregistered wrote: »

Excellent point. Not joking i didn't think of it that way. Cheers MM ! You may just have given me the shot up the ass I needed. Thanks !

Good stuff, I'm here all week.

Deleted User wrote: »

eh i think this thread has hit a nerve with you.. you're completely out of line with your posting.

<< Report button is a that a way.

Silverfish

Both of you are here long enough to know better.

LegacyUser

Hey OP.

I know times are tough but there is still plenty of opportunity out there and you're still young with time on your side to change your life.

For the sake of argument, if you did a degree in accounting and there were very few jobs available in that field when you finished, the degree would still stand to you in other areas of business. No matter what the qualification it will look better having it on your cv than not, and will open more doors to you.

OP, ask yourself this question what motivates you and what is your life ambition? If you don't have something you want to achieve in life you won't achieve much with your life.

Remember money doesn't buy happiness. One of the guys at work is clearing approx e1900 each week after tax and he lives from pay cheque to pay cheque. By the time he's paid his separated wife and kids, rent, diesel, car loans etc and supports his new partner and kids he would be lucky to have e50 in his wallet to do him until the next payday. You may think e405 a week is bad but the boom times created alot of idiots in this country who were living way above their means who are now struggling with arrears on outlandish loans, be thankful my friend you are not one of them.

Pub07

The accountancy sector probably isn't the best to be going into at the moment. Its a pretty popular career choice in Ireland and all the guys who've been laid off recently will also be looking for a job along with the newly graduated students in a few years.

What I recommend, if you are not adverse to it, as some people are, is IT. Business are crying out for IT people at the moment, there are not enough people graduating and not enough people doing IT courses in college at the moment. The IT sector is also forecast to be one of the fastest growing over the next few years, here and abroad, so if you want to guarantee yourself a good job do an IT course imo.