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Hatton's deluded

  • 04-03-2009 9:43am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭


    Give it a bleedin' rest Hatton. You were shown up already and now
    you want to be shown up again. I think a 50 year old PBF would still
    beat Hatton. And, bear in mind, I picked Hatton
    first time around!

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2009/0303/hattonr.html

    Boxing doesn't want or NEED this crap!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,457 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ah come on Walshb, can you not read between the lines like me. :);)
    Ricky Hatton will resume his pursuit of Floyd Mayweather should he overcome Manny Pacquiao in Las Vegas on 2 May.
    Hatton suffered the only blemish on his 46-fight career in December 2007 when he was stopped in ten rounds by Mayweather.
    The 30-year-old from Manchester is eager for a rematch staged in the UK and also has his eye on WBA and WBO lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez.

    Hatton said: 'There are plenty of good fights out there for me if I was to beat Pacquiao.
    'Juan Manuel Marquez wants to become the first Mexican to win titles at five different weights.
    'There's him and I'd be a liar if I said I don't think I can get another crack at Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    'Manny won't be my last fight. Hopefully I'll have a homecoming in the UK - against Marquez or Mayweather.'
    Mayweather was regarded as pound-for-pound king when the rivals met at welterweight and Hatton gets a second shot at being considered the best when he meets Pacquiao.
    It promises to be a thrilling contest between two aggressive fighters with Pacquiao starting as favourite.
    But Hatton is adamant the Filipino superstar, who is revered as a national hero in his home country, is vulnerable.
    He said: 'It's a shame you can't be inside me and see how confident I'm feeling.
    'I know it will be tough but Ricky Hatton is an absolute handful.
    'The reason why I think I'm going to win is that I've seen Manny drop to body shots from smaller men a few times.
    'I've seen him shaken up by head punches. Bear in mind I'm the biggest fighter he will have fought against.'
    Freddie Roach, Pacquiao's trainer, has no interest in a clash with Mayweather.
    He said: 'I didn't want to fight Mayweather next because he's a boring fight.
    'We need the best fighters fighting each other because of other sports competing with us.
    'If we win I don't have a lot of interest in fighting Mayweather. Even if you beat him you look bad doing it.
    'Mayweather is very skilled. I don't like his style - he's a runner but is a great boxer.'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭sligobhoy67


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Ah come on Walshb, can you not read between the lines like me. :);)

    best post ever!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    eagle, that says it all. My eyes still hurt!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    walshb wrote: »
    Give it a bleedin' rest Hatton. You were shown up already and now
    you want to be shown up again. I think a 50 year old PBF would still
    beat Hatton. And, bear in mind, I picked Hatton
    first time around!

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2009/0303/hattonr.html

    Boxing doesn't want or NEED this crap!
    there are always people around who like to knock hatton, he is the only fighter around who dosent avoid others he always gives 100% has a large following --i do happen to notice that the irish boardies are the first to call him before his fights and always go quiet after , is it because he is english ?i bet if he was a irishman he would be the nations hero [just check your passed threads]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    getz wrote: »
    fights and always go quiet after , is it because he is english ?i bet if he was a irishman he would be the nations hero [just check your passed threads]

    That's pretty lame isn't it?

    Bringing in Nationality to a simple debate.

    I was a big Hatton fan for years and if you read my previous
    comments on him, you would ascertain this.

    I have since re-evaluated his stock and I believe he was overrated
    by me.

    Anyway, the point of the thread is exactly as eagle pointed out and has
    nothing to do with English or Irish or anything else.

    Hatton has been beaten convincingly already by PBF.

    PBF is retired now and Hatton is looking to
    fight him again? Why? Revenge? No way, pure and utter
    mega bucks. The guys did nothing in fight
    1 to suggest he ever has a chance


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    so he lost one fight ,as did almost every great fighter and remember he was fighting outside his weight, watch his next fight,by the way my remarks came from a irish boxing fan of hatton


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭sligobhoy67


    getz wrote: »
    there are always people around who like to knock hatton, he is the only fighter around who dosent avoid others he always gives 100% has a large following --i do happen to notice that the irish boardies are the first to call him before his fights and always go quiet after , is it because he is english ?i bet if he was a irishman he would be the nations hero [just check your passed threads]

    as Walshy said that is the weakest argument I have heard.

    1. Bernard Dunne is the biggest name in Irish boxing - he gets dogs abuse on here (mostly from walshy) - is that because he is Irish?

    2. I followed Hatton for YEARS - went ot most of his fights and stuck by him as his fanbase became more moronic by the fight - include the anti-Irish abuse they chanted during the Magee fight.

    However, he began to grate on me when he trotted out the same "I'm just like the other guys I guy up with" and "I'm afraid of my Ma" lines in every interview. He is not the same as everyone, not everyone has millions - yet despite that every decision he makes seems to be money orientated whilst swearing blind that it isnt.

    a) ducks/avoids (strike as applicable) Junior Witter - first saying why should he fight him "I have the WBO title, whats Witter got" - then when Witter had the IBF and Hatton had nothing he said "why should I give Witter the biggest payday of his life" - eh, I didnt think it was about money Ricky, and the reason to do it is because Witter had the belt and it was the fight everyone wanted to see!

    b) he then proceeds to hand Juan Lazcano (who is not world class) the biggest pay day of his life and fills the CoM stadium (55k x average ticket of £115) and charges PPV as a "thank you" to his loyal fans!

    I could go on but my fingers hurt - let me sum it up - I hope the bulked up flyweight pastes him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,380 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    His ungracious comments right after losing to Mayweather turned me off him.
    I'd say a bruised ego is a big factor as well as the money in him seeking a rematch with Mayweather.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I have to laugh when reading how Hatton says PBF is a runner?

    Yeah, a runner who knocked you the **** out!

    What really soured me about the bout was how easily Hatton
    crumbled in it. He folded so quick. It wasn't
    like he got a pasting. The first few rds where PBF
    got going, Hatton was done and even Hatton
    tripping and tripping and falling at the very end
    looked like a guy who WANTED to go down in the end


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 144 ✭✭steve-collins


    im gone off hatton me self since the lazcano fight . not because he has turned into a bad boxer but i am sick of all the crap he talks about being the most liked person in boxing etc. give it a rest ffs . also the way he speaks about himself in the 3rd person . ricky hatton is this and that etc . and he obiously ducked witter . witter was no 2 in the division in most peoples eyes after he knocked harris out . what a phony he has turned out to be latley


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭Batesy


    Would love to see Mayweather come back. The chap just loves to talk about boxing. :)

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/7864009.stm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭megadodge


    What really soured me about the bout was how easily Hatton
    crumbled in it. He folded so quick. It wasn't
    like he got a pasting. The first few rds where PBF
    got going, Hatton was done and even Hatton
    tripping and tripping and falling at the very end
    looked like a guy who WANTED to go down in the end

    I don't know what you're smoking at the moment, but the quality of your posts are decending at an alarming rate.

    Folding quick = 1 or 2 maybe 3 rounds. But 10 rounds ???

    Your final comment is just pathetic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    megadodge wrote: »
    Your final comment is just pathetic.

    Well Mega, your problem seems be statistics and numbers.

    Instead of being smart, why not actually analyse the bouts
    The 10 rds Hatton went with PBF were like three
    compared to the Tsyzu fight. The fight was a joke


    Go take a look at Hatton-MaGee, Tsyzu, Philips and tell me that
    he took close to as much as what PBF dished out. PBF only got
    goin late into the fight.

    Hatton was a disgrace and crumbled from
    about 1/10 the punishment dished out by Phillips and Tsyzu..

    So, are you still thinking my posts are declining?

    Watch Hatton's body language in the 10th.
    The way he stumbles across the ring from a few silly
    shots. The guys heart and brain had crumbled.

    He took far more shots and harder shots in many
    other fights, including Lazcano. Much more

    Watch it closely and then watch his body language vs. Tsyzu. Completely different

    Look, I used to be a fan, but I woke up to Hatton's limited
    skills; maybe you will from some more research.

    Actually, the Lazacano and PBF fights will tell you
    all you need to know. It's all there and staring you
    in the face.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭foams


    walshb wrote: »
    I have to laugh when reading how Hatton says PBF is a runner?

    Yeah, a runner who knocked you the **** out!

    What really soured me about the bout was how easily Hatton
    crumbled in it. He folded so quick. It wasn't
    like he got a pasting. The first few rds where PBF
    got going, Hatton was done and even Hatton
    tripping and tripping and falling at the very end
    looked like a guy who WANTED to go down in the end

    I feel thats a simplistic and inaccurate discription of that fight,
    Hatton took a solid beating but he gave it his all and he
    genuinely looked like a totaly differante fighter Vs Malignaggi,
    he will be too strong vs Pacuoiao.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Well foams, I didn't see any solid beating. The fight was a mess and most of the time was spent holding and wrestling. Look, go watch previous Haton wars and there you will see his REAL spirit and toughness and ability
    to take a beating. He didn't have this in the PBF fight and it was ZERO
    to do with PBF. Like I said previously, he took far far more shots and punishmnet in previous fights.

    Hatton was a flop vs. PBF. That's plain and simple.
    He didn't take a sustained or heavy beating.

    I challenge anyone to watch the bout and try to tell
    me it was exciting, hard or tough AND that Ricky took
    a beating or a beating even close to previous wars he has
    fought in

    It just did not happen in the PBF bout


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    walshb wrote: »
    Watch Hatton's body language in the 10th.
    The way he stumbles across the ring fro a few silly
    shots. The guys heart and brain had crumbled.

    You drop easier when the confidence has been knocked out of you, I can only imagine that not being able to land lowered his confidence so the adrenaline wasn't really pumping like it could be and nothing to keep him going.

    Just watched the round again there, he's fighting grand up till the left hook (although landing nothing). The left hook catches him straight in the jaw and the legs go after that.
    Im not a fan of Hatton but you can't blame him for crumbling. Personally i've barely felt shots when on top of a fight that I know would knock the life out of me if I wasn't in the fight, the mental aspect to fighting is underrated.

    I agree though, the thought of a rematch would be a joke
    foams wrote: »
    genuinely looked like a totaly differante fighter Vs Malignaggi,
    he will be too strong vs Pacuoiao.

    Malignaggi was not up to standard, he looked different because malignaggi (who was destroyed by cotto) is nowhere near the standard of Mayweather, its easy to look good against a **** fighter. The pacman is a different prospect and although I agree de la hoya was out of it at the weight he was never given a chance, pacquiao's cross snaps out like a jab it's that fast, he'll be hard to hit and hatton may find it hard to see the shots coming


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    Boxer confident in his own ability shocker.

    I don;t see what your problem with that article is? Of course Ricky Hatton is going to be confident in his own abilities. He is after all a world class boxer. I doubt that Hatton could beat PBF again or even Pacman but you can't knock the guy for being confident in his own abilities.

    If I was Hatton I would definitely want a rematch with PBF. And even if I don't agree with him, I completely understand why a fighter of Ricky's calibre would be confident in his ability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Colly, exactly my point, he crumbled and it was because his head wasn't in
    it and because the confidence was gone. He showed so so so much more spirit and toughness in all his previous fights. This is my point. He was to me, a flop in the PBF bout.

    If anyone watched boxing for the first tme and were shown Hatton wars and then they saw his performance vs. PBF, they wouldn't believe it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭foams


    I guess i meant Hatton was out-classed ,i have a compilation of
    his fights and i do believe he boxed very well verus Malignaggi
    and will be too strong verus Pacquiao.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    foams, I am not disagreeing with you there; he was outclassed, but no way
    beaten up or battered. This is my issue. He folded quite easily, whether due to a lack of confidence or a meltdown, it certainly was nothing to do with a beating. That's all I was questioning.

    The Mal fight was a real let down and proved ONE thing, Mal is a nobody.
    The Lazcano bout showed Hatton's toughness and heart, where was this vs. PBF? Hatton was distinctly average in the Lazcano fight, and IMO he is well
    in decline.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39 Sugerraysarah


    well I like ricky hatton , I like his personality , his attacking style and his honesty in fact I find his honesty quite re freshing , he has said many times floyd maywhether was the better man on the night and he was out boxed , but I think he has improved a lot since that fight


    and in my opinion he has every right to feel confident about beating pacman and he has every right to seek a rematch with the only guy that ever beat him he is a boxer after all

    he was right not to pursue a fight with junior witter as I feel Junior Witter never deserved a match with hatton and never has paid his dues like hatton ,

    Hatton fights with passion and his heart and although he might not be as technially superior as maywheather or pacman he gives it is all in every fight .

    I hope he beats Pac Man , simply because I think he deserves it and he has worked as hard as any boxer to get to the top,

    I know a lot of people put him down and rate him as a slugger but i think this fight with pacman could show people there is a lot more to ricky hatton then meets the eye and if he wins he might finally get the respect he deserves

    just like Joe Calazaghe say what u like about him , hes a legend hes undefeated and he is a great guy outside the ring , what more does a boxing fan want?

    sarah ricky hatton fan !!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Sarah, I was a big Hatton fan. I overrated the guy.
    He is all you say, a hearty tough guy; but he is
    very one dimensional IMO. BTW, did you
    think he took a beating in the PBF bout?

    I think he for ONCE in his career showed a real lack
    of spirit. Just that once and I think the whole
    occasion got to him. He had so little to offer and PBF
    was not the only reason. It was far too easy a win in the end .

    I never rooted more for a Hatton win than the bout with
    PBF. I was totally shocked at how poor Hatton
    was in the bout and how easy he BROKE


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39 Sugerraysarah


    please mr walsh

    dont lose the faith in Ricky , everybodys entitled to a second chance I think he may restore your faith in the pac man fight ,I so agree that the maywheather event / experience simply overwhelmed him

    I THINK this time he will use all of his experience and new found defense and boxing skills to outwork pacman to a close points win

    please support hatton for this I will be checking your threads on the day of the fight plzzzzzzzzzz

    sarah :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭joepenguin


    Its a realy pity Hatton-Gatti didnt work out. What a fight that would have been.
    Mayweather-Hatton 2 = a mega mega ching ching fight that each and every one of us would tune into see.

    Of course if he beats pac, his win will be talked up as he will b p4p king. mayweathers inactivity will be made out to be a huge factor creating the illusion of an even fight, or at least make an argument for. there would be friction with floyd sr on both camps. imagine the 24/7!!!

    Also I bet Floyd would be very quick to give him a rematch if he beats pac.

    As for Witter he absolutely deserved a shot at Hatton. There were so many times when the fight made sense. Instead we seen him against Juan urango, maussa, collazo, Lazcano. Thats only his championship run, he could have fought him when they were below or at world level.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    please mr walsh

    dont lose the faith in Ricky , everybodys entitled to a second chance I think he may restore your faith in the pac man fight ,I so agree that the maywheather event / experience simply overwhelmed him

    I THINK this time he will use all of his experience and new found defense and boxing skills to outwork pacman to a close points win

    please support hatton for this I will be checking your threads on the day of the fight plzzzzzzzzzz

    sarah :o

    Sarah,

    it is not a case of losing faith in Hatton. I simply
    overrated him in the past. He is a fine fighter; just
    not as good as I made out.

    I have a feeling he will beat Pac and HE should
    beat Pac if he really is a good 140 lb man.

    Pac should be the underdog here. He is the smaller
    man and the man who has never campaigned "naturally" above 130 lbs

    I want Hatton to win to restore some order
    into boxing and to say that at least we have guys winning in
    their NATURAL weights.

    Think of it; would
    Pac have been able to rise to beat Pryor or Cervantes
    or Duran or even Gatti? No, he would not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    joepenguin wrote: »
    Of course if he beats pac, his win will be talked up as he will b p4p king.

    Theres no way Hatton should be p4p no1 if he beats pac, he's fighting at light wealter, he should realistically be favourite in this fight if he is anywhere near. Pac is rightfully p4p king and thats the only reason why he's given any chance at this weight.
    Beating a pound for pound champion does not make you one unless of course you at your natural weight bet them at their natural weight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭Hangballlouie


    colly10 wrote: »
    Theres no way Hatton should be p4p no1 if he beats pac, he's fighting at light wealter, he should realistically be favourite in this fight if he is anywhere near. Pac is rightfully p4p king and thats the only reason why he's given any chance at this weight.
    Beating a pound for pound champion does not make you one unless of course you at your natural weight bet them at their natural weight

    +1
    you said it before I got a chance Colly. Well said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    +2 colly, and it's what I have been saying.

    Hatton is the natural man at 140 and PAC is at best, a great 130
    lb fighter. If Hatton cannot win, then IMO, boxing is DEFINITELY not
    what it used to be. Taking nothing
    from Pac at all; he is a fine fighter and
    a great lighter weight fighter.

    My bet is on Hatton's natural strength to break Pac mid to late rds.

    The other thing is that I will not then elevate
    Hatton to mega status at all. He will have simply
    beaten a man who is two weights
    naturally below him.

    I can bet if Hatton wins; folks will be claiming him
    as the greatest 140 lb fighter ever. This is so
    not the case.

    Hatton himself has intimated our feelings and he is
    being predicted to come into the ring at about 11 stone

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7919619.stm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Walshb, I said that original comment was pathetic because that's exactly what I thought, not because I was "being smart".

    It reminded me of this useless GAA journalist who at the time of the Tyson/Douglas upset, did an article on why he thought the fix was in. This fella knows nothing about boxing and it was obvious in the article, but the comment I always remember was no. 10 on his "10 reasons why....". He asked "why did Tyson spend so much time fumbling around looking for his gumshield when he should have been trying to beat the count".

    Now, anyone that needs an explantion as to why that sticks out in my memory knows nothing about what it's like to be pummelled for 10 rounds into a semi-concious state.

    Hatton wasn't given the beating Tyson was, but he was caught with a perfect punch which had the 'double impact' of connecting at the same time as he was lunging in with his own left hook. This completely took his legs away !! So what !! That's all there is to it !! Boxers throughout history who have histories of toughness have been floored/ko'd by single punches. Who would have thought Margarito would have been flattened by an old Shane Mosely who is certainly not as hard a hitter or as big a man as Cotto and had only 3 ko's (Vargas twice) in nearly 8 years??? He took just as many punches from Cotto and hardly blinked.

    Emile Griffith was renowned for his great beard yet was poleaxed in one round by Ruben 'Hurricane' Carter, who despite the song was NOT a huge puncher.

    Your comment was the sort of comment you'd expect off a couch potato who tunes into 1 or 2 fights a year, not from an ex-boxer with a good knowledge of the game. That's all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Again; go look at the fight and it is clear that PBF did not give Hatton anything close to what others did. It's all there to see.

    I saw Hatton crumble form a beating that was 1/10 of previous beatings.
    That tells me a lot. His head was beaten and his confidence beaten.

    Lazcano dished a lot more to Hatton than PBF did.

    You want to believe otherwise, that's your right. I saw what I saw

    "Your comment was the sort of comment you'd expect off a couch potato who tunes into 1 or 2 fights a year, not from an ex-boxer with a good knowledge of the game. That's all.":rolleyes:

    Mega, exactly the bloody opposite. Anyone who has viewed Hatton's previous
    fights could see what I saw. Maybe you need to watch his previous fights
    again to see this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭megadodge


    So, how do you explain Margarito "crumbling" to Mosley (bearing in mind the stats I mentioned earlier)?

    How do you explain Emile Griffith's loss ?

    Did both of them give up also?

    Your comments make it sound like he threw the fight instead of what it was - a case where he was trying hard, making no progress and suddenly nailed with a peach of a punch that messed up his equilibrium.

    Also remember, I have already said that the jury is still out on Hatton as to whether he's past it or not. I'm not one of those claiming he's back to his best, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, he is past his peak. I saw this clearly against Lazcano.
    He was a far sharper and better man 2-3 years ago; even
    the display against Castillo was very impressive.

    I don't see why you are bringing in all these other examples.
    I simply thought Hatton crumbled and lacked the spirit I know
    he has. He seemed totally demoralised and shook.

    I never said he was useless or anything like that. I was just shocked
    at how he seemed to crumble form the "beating" PBF gave him.

    Maybe the occasion got to him and his head was screwed up.
    I have seen Hatton far more gutsy and spirited and mentally
    tough in other fights, and in other
    fights where he was really dishing punishment

    BTW, Marg took a whupping against Mosley. He took a hell of
    a lot more than Hatton took. Poor comparison!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭megadodge


    BTW, Marg took a whupping against Mosley. He took a hell of
    a lot more than Hatton took. Poor comparison!

    Nope, I was comparing the whupping he took against Mosley to the whupping he took against Cotto - a bigger man and bigger puncher !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    megadodge wrote: »
    Nope, I was comparing the whupping he took against Mosley to the whupping he took against Cotto - a bigger man and bigger puncher !!

    Well, how was I meant to know this. Cotto wasn't mentioned at all.

    BTW, he took a lot against Cotto but was never hurt. Mosley hurt him and
    badly. Cotto just was hitting and hitting but not STOPPING Marg one bit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I see the Cotto ref now from an earlier post!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,380 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    the difference was Mosley had more resistance to Margarito's best punches than Cotto had. perhaps that was because Margarito didn't have the illegal hand wraps against Mosley.

    regarding Hatton V Mayweather,

    Mayweather doesn't do beatings as such. He just picked Hatton off at will and Hatton couldn't get through with anything meaningful. it didn't resemble any of Hatton's other fights due to Mayweather's class rather than Hatton having a lack of heart.
    for example in a fight you can have plenty of heart but if you're constantly getting tagged and not able to land aything meaningful on the other guy you're going to lose heart.
    also, as you become more desperate it's likely in such a scenario you'll get caught with a shot you don't see coming. this is exactly what happened Hatton. He was lunging forward trying to catch Mayweather and got caught with a great shot. it wasn't so much the power of the punch rather that it was a perfect shot coupled with Hatton's lunging forward meant he went down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Exactly, his heart broke; he crumbled from the pressure and the lack of success. There was NO beating, and I expected better to be honest. I am not slating him; but for a guy who walked thru fire previously to being so easily felled, despite the flush shot, was very poor.

    The chap was demoralised! I have seen him taking far heavier and more dangerous shots and still hanging in and firing
    back. Hatton's spirit was not in that fight the more it went on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    walshb wrote: »
    Exactly, his heart broke; he crumbled from the pressure and the lack of success. There was NO beating, and I expected better to be honest. I am not slating him; but for a guy who walked thru fire previously to being so easily felled, despite the flush shot, was very poor.

    The chap was demoralised! I have seen him taking far heavier and more dangerous shots and still hanging in and firing
    back. Hatton's spirit was not in that fight the more it went on

    Walshb, You really are missing the point here. The fact that Hatton was in what looked to be tougher wars against previous opponents, does not mean that he lacked spirit or anything else.

    You have to remember that he was fighting a man the likes he has never seen before. Hatton got KO'ed cause he was trying too hard and not because his spirit was broke. He was caught with a beautiful shot while juming in which would of dropped any man of Hattons size!

    Comparing this fight to his previous ones in the manner you are trying to do is inconceivable. Hatton has never been in the situation that he was with Floyd i.e. losing the fight and being frustrated by poor ref performance!

    Hatton lives and breathes boxing and is obviously a very proud man. To say that you expected more of him or that he lacked spirit is ridiculous imo and is doing him a huge injustice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Walshb, You really are missing the point here. The fact that Hatton was in what looked to be tougher wars against previous opponents, does not mean that he lacked spirit or anything else.

    You have to remember that he was fighting a man the likes he has never seen before. Hatton got KO'ed cause he was trying too hard and not because his spirit was broke. He was caught with a beautiful shot while juming in which would of dropped any man of Hattons size!

    Comparing this fight to his previous ones in the manner you are trying to do is inconceivable. Hatton has never been in the situation that he was with Floyd i.e. losing the fight and being frustrated by poor ref performance!

    Hatton lives and breathes boxing and is obviously a very proud man. To say that you expected more of him or that he lacked spirit is ridiculous imo and is doing him a huge injustice.

    Hey, I saw what I saw; you may want to give reasons as to why the bout transpired how it did and so will I. I saw Hatton's spirit being broken and I saw
    a lack of caharcter. I saw it in this fight. I never said he didn't have spirit.
    He did and had it in abundance in other bouts. He folded in this and that's no discredit to him; I just expected more. I saw it in his eyes before the bout
    started; he was extremely nervous and let the occasion get to him.

    He was IMO showed up in the bout and Floyd wasn't awesome by any stretch. Hatton was so one dimensional and just kept running in and getting tagged and was outmuscled inside. Hatton didn't perform or was simply exposed.

    Again, PBF was good, but far from amazing in the scrap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭foams



    Mayweather doesn't do beatings as such.

    What about when he fought Gatti, i thought that was an
    awful beating, would you consider that a severe beating as a
    result as being out-classed.?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,375 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The Gatti fight was a more discernible and obvious beating.
    Hatton didn't receive near as much as Gatti.

    The shot that put Hatton down was flush, but it was
    one shot. Hatton's spirit was gone at that
    stage and the punch was the final insult, plus the
    collision with the ring post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,380 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    foams wrote: »
    What about when he fought Gatti, i thought that was an
    awful beating, would you consider that a severe beating as a
    result as being out-classed.?

    yes that was a beating. Most Of Mayweathers fights are him on the run winning on points. Hatton was outclassed but i wouldn't characterize it as anything like the beating Gatti took. Hatton was desperate, due to being outclassed, so he lunged in trying to land and got caught with a perfect shot that had double the impact because he was off balance and never saw it coming.


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