Irish stars lacking in charisma

Denerick

I've long come to the conclusion that with a few exceptions our TV personalities are completely lacking in charisma. Most of the new generation are complete cringebats - some of our gameshows have always had poor presenters but nowadays its taking the mick. There is no electricity or real genuine wit from any of them, its either trying to hard to be witty or not bothering and just coming across as grey pillars of boredom.

Contrast this with the fantastic array of charismatic figures British TV attracts. Doesn't say much for the homeland of Oscar Wilde.

Or am I on my own on this one. (Deliberately not named any names, due to whatever legal threats or whatever might hand over boards.ie...)

elshambo

Ireland has always been a country where the ability to lick ar*e and/or recognise one's family member in a position of power was more important that any semblance of talent or ability.

Lick ar*e's tend to have missed out on the whole charsima/wit area of evolution

Why do you think we are in the hole we are in?:eek:

Pigman II

Denerick wrote: »

I've long come to the conclusion that with a few exceptions our TV personalities are completely lacking in charisma. Most of the new generation are complete cringebats - some of our gameshows have always had poor presenters but nowadays its taking the mick. There is no electricity or real genuine wit from any of them, its either trying to hard to be witty or not bothering and just coming across as grey pillars of boredom.

Contrast this with the fantastic array of charismatic figures British TV attracts. Doesn't say much for the homeland of Oscar Wilde.

Or am I on my own on this one. (Deliberately not named any names, due to whatever legal threats or whatever might hand over boards.ie...)

You praise British TV yet fail to mention that Irelands best go to British TV - have done ever since the days of Eamon Andrews, Terry Wogan and Gay Byrne. Your complaint is akin to saying because Robbie Keane and Shay Given don't don't play in the League of Ireland they therefore don't exist.

Denerick

Thats a very good point actually, but in truth, can you think of more than three Irish people on british TV worth mentioning? Off the top of my head theres Wogan and O'Brien, and O'Brien really is a headwrecker. Its not like there are 15+ (My estimate of irish premiership players, which is exceedingly optimistic) good Irish tv personalities in britain, maybe the creme de la creme, which is about two...

So no, don't see how the analogy fits.

Pigman II

Denerick wrote: »

Thats a very good point actually, but in truth, can you think of more than three Irish people on british TV worth mentioning? Off the top of my head theres Wogan and O'Brien, and O'Brien really is a headwrecker. Its not like there are 15+ (My estimate of irish premiership players, which is exceedingly optimistic) good Irish tv personalities in britain, maybe the creme de la creme, which is about two...

So no, don't see how the analogy fits.

How many premiership players are there at any given time? Maybe somewhere between 500 and 600? If you use this number as a ratio test well then for one thing I can't imagine there is 500+ presenting gigs on the 4x main British tv stations that are 'worth mentioning'. So to expect there to be 15 Irish presenters at any given time would be unreasonable.

Analogy fits again.

Denerick

Pigman II wrote: »

How many premiership players are there at any given time? Maybe somewhere between 500 and 600? If you use this number as a ratio test well then for one thing I can't imagine there is 500+ presenting gigs on the 4x main British tv stations that are 'worth mentioning'. So to expect there to be 15 Irish presenters at any given time would be unreasonable.

Analogy fits again.

How many Irish people can you name on British tv. You claim our best and brightest are being shipped over to Britain in vast numbers, though how many can you name as of today?

Pigman II

Denerick wrote: »

How many Irish people can you name on British tv. You claim our best and brightest are being shipped over to Britain in vast numbers, though how many can you name as of today?

I don't claim anything of the sort and it's not my job to sit here listing off Irish tv presenters. However I will propose that Ireland does produce at least some people who make it to the higher level of presenting in Britain and that I suspect you hadn't included these people in your original statement.

Futhermore I'm sure if you watched regional TV in England you could find a dizzying array of presenters who are just as crap as the ones RTE and the other Irish stations have working for them atm.

Aidric

They can keep Eamon Holmes.

Denerick

Pigman II wrote: »

I don't claim anything of the sort and it's not my job to sit here listing off Irish tv presenters. However I will propose that Ireland does produce at least some people who make it to the higher level of presenting in Britain and that I suspect you hadn't included these people in your original statement.

Futhermore I'm sure if you watched regional TV in England you could find a dizzying array of presenters who are just as crap as the ones RTE and the other Irish stations have working for them atm.

Did I deny that? Did I say irish people are completely devoid of intelligence and wit? Did I not say that there were exceptions? Oh, the pedantry of it all...

Pigman II

Anyway, the point of all this is that there is very few entertaining people *anywhere* (not just in Ireland) so to even have these 'few exceptions' (a quantity I presume we both now agree on?) is a reasonable result.

acontadino

poor thread...op should be banned for talking nonsense.

elshambo

acontadino wrote: »

poor thread...op should be banned for talking nonsense.

Sile; there was no need to take it so personally!

dodgyme

Is the OP saying that Colm and Jim Jim lack charisma

Denerick

acontadino wrote: »

poor thread...op should be banned for talking nonsense.

You should be banned for being unable to use capitalisation.

Nolanger

Denerick wrote: »

Most of the new generation are complete cringebats

It's our education system - run by women - churning out inoffensive, politically-correct clones of each other.

youngblood

Graham Norton, Craig Doyle, Dairmuid Gavin, Amanda Byram have all done pretty well abroad.

Denerick

call me ignorant, but of those I only know of Graham Norton. Still no Jonathon Ross, David Dimblebey etc.

youngblood

Craig Doyle- Sports Presenter with the BBC and ITV
Diarmuid Gavin- Award Winning Garden Designer and TV presenter, numerous TV reality stuff Strictly Come Dancing etc,
Amanda Byram- Ireland Am, Big Breakfast, The Swan- American Plastic Surgery Show which got a lot of attention in the US and did very well in the ratings initially. She's probably, the most well known of the ones listed, in America that is.

Pickins are slim thou!

TomRooney

Denerick wrote: »

How many Irish people can you name on British tv. You claim our best and brightest are being shipped over to Britain in vast numbers, though how many can you name as of today?

Graham Norton=IRISH

TERRY WOGAN= IRISH

that ex cross dresser who now has a show around 5 o clock with the scouser accent claims to be irish,

Darragh O Brian the comedian also

Donal Mcentyre = IRISH, who was doing the whole gangs thing long before ross kemp came along

theres many more.

the reason they went to england is because they couldnt get ahead here due to arse licking clique mentality that is endemic in ireland

An tSaoi

acontadino wrote: »

poor thread...op should be banned for talking nonsense.

You're being a bit harsh on him. I don't think he was saying that all Irish people on any TV show at home or abroad were totally free of any semblance of charisma. I took it to mean that most of our presenters who are still with us are exceedingly dull, and in that I agree with him. They're like bland wallpaper, appealing to people in nursing homes who don't want anything too exciting or unsettling.

Pat Kenny is grey, personally and literally. His very appearance is an embodiment of tediousness, and his demeanor on the radio or on the television is according.

Ryan Tubridy is slightly livelier (livelyer?) but that doesn't say much. He's still far from charming.

Lucy Kennedy, rather than having no charisma, actually drains it from everything around her. She's only on the box because of nepotism (allegedly, or so they say, according to some).

The Telly Bingo man's name I don't even remember, so he's obviously not made much of an impression on me.

Katherine Lynch was even worse at being a presenter than at being a sketch performer (and that takes some doing).

Myriam what'shername isn't nearly as glamorous and interesting as those "She's so love-ely" ads seemed to suggest.

Seoige and O'Shea were dreary together and apart.

That one with the red hair from Echo Island simply isn't charismatic. The name of her current show escapes me, but it's regular daytime pap.

That Daithí fella is pretty lame too.

I haven't watched Den TV since I was a child, but I'd imagine the presenters are pretty generic and forgetable.

I used to love watching Ray D'Arcy when I was young, but since I grew up and he started doing those Pop Idol rip-offs I've grown to dislike him too. He alternates between embarassingly bad and just plain boring.

Our newsreaders act like they've got a terminal disease, even at the lighthearted "and in other news..." stories. Maybe they could take a leaf out of Jon Snow's book (he of Channel 4 News), by being serious when necessary (but not depressingly so), but also somewhat lively (his colourful ties really brighten the news up without completely disrespecting the mood). Or any of the BBC prestenters for that matter (ITV newsreaders are like Chris Morris charicatures, overblowing the graveness of any situation, but at least they aren't half-comatose stiffs like that fella with the mustache that does the news).

Sharon Ní Bheoláin looks and sounds like she's going to cry at any minute.

The Oirechtas Report one infuriates me for some reason with her complete lack of chemistry with the camera.

Only Charlie Bird seems to be alive and sentient. He's probably the only one I actually like watching.

I'm sure there's other presenters and the like but I can't remember any more.

Our most charismatic TV personalities are probably Podge and Rodge. That's right. Two foul mouthed papier maché-looking puppets (muppets even) have more charm than any of the real people on our screens, and I don't even like them that much. It really is a pretty sad state of affairs.

EDIT: Let 's not forget Marty Wheelan and Mooney, and that slightly tubby blonde one who used to be okay looking. Basically any one on Winning Streak/Wheel of Fortune type shows. No charimsa there wither.

Denerick

Thanks!

K4t

Because people who watch RTE don't want witty, charasmatic presenters.

Diabhal Beag

Pat Dolan was a great export. So great in fact that the UK can keep him. RTE presenters are all as bad as each other so I can't really single out anyone but Aidan Power

Panthro

id plough katheryn thomas given da chance...

Elmo

K4t wrote: »

Because people who watch RTE don't want witty, charasmatic presenters.

Nah they watch Xpose and Ireland AM for that :eek:

I don't think it is a case of lack of talent. I know I harp on about TG4 but I find that they do provide some better presenters even if they did unleash the Hector Factor :eek:

Both TV3 and RTÉ don't provide entertainment hence the lack of witty charismatic presenters on either service.

There are some good and some bad like on every service. I mean Richard and Judy aren't that good and someone could shot Fern and that Twat from Dancing On Ice, he makes me so angry.

Also those fools who do "Daytime on 3" on TV3 have they ever seen Sile or TTV while not the best in TV they both make those two to be dimwitted fools.