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Is streaming copyrighted material illegal?

Magpie! · 2009-03-03 13:06:12

Maybe not the right forum to ask. and if it gets locked strainght away I suppose i'll have my answer! But just wondering if streaming movies and tv shows as opposed to downloading them is illegal? Note: I'm not asking anyone how to do it, where to do it, etc.

03-03-2009 1:06pm

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Maybe not the right forum to ask.

and if it gets locked strainght away I suppose i'll have my answer!

But just wondering if streaming movies and tv shows as opposed to downloading them is illegal?

Note: I'm not asking anyone how to do it, where to do it, etc.

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#2 03-03-2009 1:08pm

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Yes, you're still downloading them but they're put in a temporary folder.

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#3 03-03-2009 1:13pm

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Balls. I may find something else to do with my lunchtime so.

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#4 03-03-2009 1:14pm

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Magpie! wrote: »

Balls. I may find something else to do with my lunchtime so.

Try eating lunch...

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#5 03-03-2009 1:16pm

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#6 03-03-2009 1:18pm

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Freedom of speech is illegal in China, that doesn't make it right. VIVA LA PIRACY!

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#7 03-03-2009 1:20pm

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Don't think that argument will wash with my boss scumlord. Pretty generous internet access here but anything 'illegal' or 'offensive' is banned.

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#8 03-03-2009 1:44pm

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Magpie! wrote: »

Don't think that argument will wash with my boss scumlord. Pretty generous internet access here but anything 'illegal' or 'offensive' is banned.

I guess that rules out kiddy porn then...

Disaster

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#9 03-03-2009 1:50pm

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I think it's not illegal for you to watch them? It's the responsibility of the hosting site..?

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#10 03-03-2009 1:56pm

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Dave! wrote: »

I guess that rules out kiddy porn then...

Disaster

NEVER!!!! :pac:

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#11 03-03-2009 2:24pm

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If your radio, TV, mp3 player, computer speakers are load enough for somebody else to hear then you are also technically breaching the same law....

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#12 03-03-2009 2:27pm

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Magpie! wrote: »

Maybe not the right forum to ask.

and if it gets locked strainght away I suppose i'll have my answer!

But just wondering if streaming movies and tv shows as opposed to downloading them is illegal?

Note: I'm not asking anyone how to do it, where to do it, etc.

I'm somewhat confused. If its copyrighted, and you're watching it, wheres its streaming from? The stuff on 4oD or RTE is copyrighted and theres no problem in watching that, because thats what its set up for.....

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#13 03-03-2009 2:35pm

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Fairly sure its illegal.

Should you feel bad about it, no. TV/Movie companies inability to use to internet properly is their own fault and wouldn't happen if they were smart. I see nothing wrong if you watch Lost before its on here.

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#14 03-03-2009 2:40pm

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Ciaran500 wrote: »

Yes, you're still downloading them but they're put in a temporary folder.

Technically not True, Alot of streams have localised buffering tecniques, or if the stream is moving along the wire fast enuff, it wont be buffered so your not downloading a thing.

Is it forbidden to see something that was given without any request of payment without paying? No, watching FREE, which implies FREE movies in any means is not illegal.

If it was the case youtube would have been sued/shut down ages ago, theres many many many movies on youtube broken into 10 + segments , althrough of course there poor quality.

Streams of soccer games / rugby etc are posted on the respective forums on this site, and are never removed, theres a loophole there afaik. But i believe the person transmitting/hosting the stream is breaking the law. Its like if you rent a dvd and it says "suitable for home use only not an audience"

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#15 03-03-2009 2:50pm

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Nodin wrote: »

I'm somewhat confused. If its copyrighted, and you're watching it, wheres its streaming from? The stuff on 4oD or RTE is copyrighted and theres no problem in watching that, because thats what its set up for.....

there are numerous sites that host stuff people upload, i presume from digital recording off their tv? A lot of stuff i've watched has come complete with US or Japanese ad breaks and stuff.

I'm not going to name the sites but they are easy to find

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#16 03-03-2009 2:57pm

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Don't post links or methods to watch copyrighted material.

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#17 03-03-2009 3:01pm

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I'm fairly sure its not illegal. Its illegal for the party who are broadcasting the stream without permission or not paying fees for the content.

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#18 03-03-2009 3:02pm

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Magpie! wrote: »

there are numerous sites that host stuff people upload, i presume from digital recording off their tv? A lot of stuff i've watched has come complete with US or Japanese ad breaks and stuff.

I'm not going to name the sites but they are easy to find

O. Ty.

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#19 03-03-2009 3:05pm

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Check out www.illegalcopyrightedmaterial.com for the best stuff

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#20 03-03-2009 3:11pm

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Bit extreme to delete posts which reply to the OP giving a perfectly LEGAL answer as to how to view copyrighted material direct from the TV networks while STILL adhering to the law.

...but anyway...

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#21 03-03-2009 3:12pm

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Dave! wrote: »

Check out www.illegalcopyrightedmaterial.com for the best stuff

http://www.phespirit.info/fatherted/images/episode_03.jpg

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#22 03-03-2009 4:59pm

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javaboy wrote: »

Don't post links or methods to watch copyrighted material.

Those youtube tags boards implemented were a bad idea so :pac:

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#23 03-03-2009 5:19pm

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At the end of the day you're not going to get in trouble for downloading them so definitely not for streaming them so its really just a moral decision. And tbh theres no difference between watching LOST a few days early as opposed to Sky+ing it on RTE!

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#24 04-03-2009 12:57am

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BOFH_139 wrote: »

If your radio, TV, mp3 player, computer speakers are load enough for somebody else to hear then you are also technically breaching the same law....

actually that's a little different IMRO will want their cut in addition to anything you had to pay for the material in the first place , and it's only if someone in a public place can hear it

By watching a stream instead of on TV you are missing the Ads and so depriving RTE of revenue and thereby increasing the license fee for those of us who pay their license. Hanging is too good I say

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#25 04-03-2009 1:14am

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I've saved thousands of euro by watching entire tv series', matches and movies online. I'll continue to do it, illegal or not.

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#26 04-03-2009 3:06am

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its exactly the same as downloading. Just because you dont save it doesnt mean youre not downloading it. But you might as well, nothing speshul about streaming

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#27 04-03-2009 3:21am

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themont85 wrote: »

Fairly sure its illegal.

Should you feel bad about it, no. TV/Movie companies inability to use to internet properly is their own fault and wouldn't happen if they were smart. I see nothing wrong if you watch Lost before its on here.

In fairness, they've adapted pretty well. All the US Networks have great websites with all their shows online. It's just rights issues that tie up allowing these shows to be streamed here. NBC can't sell a show to RTÉ and then allow people to watch it online, taking away from the revenue RTÉ make from the show.
I'd say this will change in the next few years as new contracts are made, or renewed, with online rights included too.

In the case of Lost, they've made an effort to show it here as soon as practical after the original airing. It goes out on a Thursday on ABC, and Sunday on Sky1/RTÉ Two. Fri and Sat are the two lowest rated nights of the week for TV, and new shows usually aren't show on those days.

Things are changing, it's just happening slower over here. I'd argue you don't have the right to pirate Lost just because you have to wait 3 extra days to watch it. If it was a show that wasn't on TV here, or unavailable on DVD or online then I'd think different, I do it myself.

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#28 04-03-2009 9:07am

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The topic has nothing to do with the license fee I do actually pay to RTE via the government.

Also by you logic it I watch BBC or Sky instead of RTE I'm going to cause the license fee in increase..,?!!?!?!?

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

actually that's a little different IMRO will want their cut in addition to anything you had to pay for the material in the first place , and it's only if someone in a public place can hear it

By watching a stream instead of on TV you are missing the Ads and so depriving RTE of revenue and thereby increasing the license fee for those of us who pay their license. Hanging is too good I say

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#29 04-03-2009 12:25pm

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BOFH_139 wrote: »

The topic has nothing to do with the license fee I do actually pay to RTE via the government.

Also by you logic it I watch BBC or Sky instead of RTE I'm going to cause the license fee in increase..,?!!?!?!?

actually you're not wrong there, ad of course they only get a kickback from the license for irish stuff and not the imports
/my bad

The point was that if you illegally stream copyrighted material it isn't a victimless crime. It might be interesting if they could put enough ads into the on line stuff that it would pay for itself, would be a nice solution to all the rights issues. And besides a lot of people would still buy the DVD's

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#30 04-03-2009 2:54pm

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No. There are plenty of licensed services that stream TV shows, etc. Unfortunately most of these have licensing agreements that restrict them to US residents.

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#31 04-03-2009 5:55pm

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Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

actually that's a little different IMRO will want their cut in addition to anything you had to pay for the material in the first place , and it's only if someone in a public place can hear it

By watching a stream instead of on TV you are missing the Ads and so depriving RTE of revenue and thereby increasing the license fee for those of us who pay their license. Hanging is too good I say

Maybe the revenue argument is right at the moment but its only a matter of time before Sky+ is taken into account when deciding price based on viewers if they dont already do!

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#32 04-03-2009 6:17pm

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Magpie! wrote: »

But just wondering if streaming movies and tv shows as opposed to downloading them is illegal?

I used to run a large torrents website so have researched the law on this in Ireland.

Downloading copyright material is legal.
Uploading copyright material is legally ambiguous.

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#33 04-03-2009 7:18pm

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If its legal to download why are eircom too afraid to go to court with IMRO over blocking connections?

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#34 04-03-2009 9:00pm

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Mmcd wrote: »

If its legal to download why are eircom too afraid to go to court with IMRO over blocking connections?

Because they're pathetic.

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#35 04-03-2009 9:13pm

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I think it was mentioned above. Why isn't watching youtube illegal so? (considering a lot of their material is uploaded infringing copyright)

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#36 04-03-2009 9:17pm

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Also this only apply to media that has been copyrighted in Ireland.....

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#37 04-03-2009 9:48pm

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BOFH_139 wrote: »

Also this only apply to media that has been copyrighted in Ireland.....

Its only legal to download Irish copyrights or they're the only ones illegal to download?

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#38 04-03-2009 10:13pm

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BOFH_139 wrote: »

Also this only apply to media that has been copyrighted in Ireland.....

Good thing we didn't sign up to the Berne Convention then.

oh wait...

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#39 04-03-2009 10:17pm

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I don't see any mention of the Republic of Ireland listed.

France, Spain, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America, have become bound by the Universal Copyright Convention as revised at Paris on July 24, 1971.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Good thing we didn't sign up to the Berne Convention then.

oh wait...

Edit:

Hmm... looks like your last post conflicts with this post of yours......

http://pie.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=174878

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#40 04-03-2009 11:24pm

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Javaboy did you change your tagline coz of my thread?

Ah shucks, I feel all tingly inside.

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#41 04-03-2009 11:34pm

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Magpie! wrote: »

Javaboy did you change your tagline coz of my thread?

Ah shucks, I feel all tingly inside.

It was in response to the blackout Ireland protest against Eircom/IRMA.

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#42 04-03-2009 11:41pm

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Mmcd wrote: »

If its legal to download why are eircom too afraid to go to court with IMRO over blocking connections?

ISPs have tried and failed in the US. Comcast has tried a few times to throttle or discriminate against users that use bittorent protocols. In the end they are overthrown by the FCC or the by the protest of their own customers. This comes down to Net Neutrality, which is a big stinking kettle of fish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast#Network_neutrality

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality

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#43 05-03-2009 1:12pm

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Javaboy, where is your avatar pic from? Tv show?

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