Would anyone be interested in a "how to make a cheap website by outsourcing" course?

AARRRGH

Hello

This is just an idea I've had this weekend. I'm wondering if there would be any interest?

I've been creating websites (via outsourcing) for a number of years. This basically means you generate your website idea and then pay someone in a poorish country to make it for you. Once the site is created you then use a few "search engine optimisation" techniques to get your site listed in the search engines, and in general, get some traffic. You can then place Google AdWords on your site to generate revenue, or do whatever you want to do to make money from the site.

There is quite a bit involved in this (nothing too complicated, but doing it by trial and error might take a while and be a bit more costly) and it's something I think I've been quite successful at.

Would you pay someone to teach you this stuff? If so, how much would you pay?

Any suggestions appreciated.

Cheers.

Lplated

Hey - you might have something here - although i would 'rejig' my wording of what i was selling a bit.

The 'easy' bit here would be for people who have some sort of idea for a website to do the outsourcing bit themselves - (google throws up many contacts, there are also a number of forums for webmasters where those kind of contacts are freely available).

So, imo, what you're really offering is seo techniques. Given that the return from google ads and so on is not at the highest end of the scale, i wouldn't have thought that your course should be all that expensive - i.e. it should be realistically related to the amount your average participant is likely to make from it.

egan007

It sounds like you are going to train all the the equivalent of the cowboy builders for the webdesign industry.

Your description of it i.e. Make someone poor do the work, (i'm not quite sure what you mean by 'SEO' in comments, google listing and SEO are not the same ) seems a little strange.

How much would I pay - I wouldn't.

AARRRGH

egan007 wrote: »

It sounds like you are going to train all the the equivalent of the cowboy builders for the webdesign industry.

No. Wages in poorer countries are way lower than they are in Ireland. That is why outsourcing is cheap - it has nothing to do with them being "cowboys".

I don't think I need to tell you how high Irish wages are.

Getting listed high up in the search results is SEO. You can read more about it here: http://www.seochat.com. It's fairly easy if you're a technical person, but a lot of people making websites may find it difficult.

Lplated wrote:

The 'easy' bit here would be for people who have some sort of idea for a website to do the outsourcing bit themselves - (google throws up many contacts, there are also a number of forums for webmasters where those kind of contacts are freely available).

I know what you mean, but there is a bit of knack to getting the right person for the right price. I've sort of perfected the technique at this stage.

I guess what I would be offering is helping a non-technical person get their idea into a real live business for as little money as possible.

Thanks for the reply.

AARRRGH

egan007 wrote: »

How much would I pay - I wouldn't.

Well, it would be aimed at people who don't know where to get started when it comes to making a website.

(I only just noticed you run an Irish company which makes websites. Obviously you're going to be anti my idea!)

EKRIUQ

AARRRGH wrote: »

Hello

Would you pay someone to teach you this stuff? If so, how much would you pay?

Any suggestions appreciated.

Cheers.

I don't really get what your looking for, it it that someone will come to you looking to get a website on the cheap and you'll point them in the direction of how to out source jobs successfully? sort of a middle man or project manager.

Isn't this how a lot of web developers work already.

Tell me more.

AARRRGH

EKRIUQ wrote: »

I don't really get what your looking for, it it that someone will come to you looking to get a website on the cheap and you'll point them in the direction of how to out source jobs successfully? sort of a middle man or project manager.

Isn't this how a lot of web developers work already.

Tell me more.

I would teach people the skills to do it all on their own. I suppose you could say it's teaching them how to be a project manager when it comes to building websites. I would also teach the basics of website technology, e.g. what is hosting, what hosting to choose, what language you should build you website in, etc.

In particular I would like to pass on my own experience which has taught me how to get the most for my money, and how to minimse risk.

EKRIUQ

Okay,

So your really setting up a service, and although it's a nice idea I think it's going to be very difficult to try to sell the service as a person who needs a website doesn’t t really know what they want, and to try to inform them the virtues of out sourcing could be difficult. A comprehensive blogg post could inform most people of the pitfalls and advantages of out sourcing. So if I was you I’d go down the route of acting as agent for people looking for website with a commission charge for each successful website.

Example:
Person A comes to you looking for a website with a budget of X amount, you then out source the job being upfront and explaining the advantages of this method to Person A you then come back with a price the website can be done and charge an administration fee and if they want the website project managed another charge. This way the tender process is open to all not just developing countries.

I’m sure with scripts and a bit of programming this could become an automated process from a website.

lanod2407

Here's my take on the idea:

If I'm gonna set up many websites then I may be interested as it's something I'll need to do again and again. How much I'd pay - could not say without seeing what exactly I'm going to be taught and via which method.
However if my requirement is for one really simple website, then I'm going to get someone else to do it for me as I could not see the benefit of learning how to do it if I'm just going to do it once.


If I need a larger or more complex site I'll definitely get it done locally as I've been involved in setting up two sites in the past year, and I can tell anyone that the last thing you need is the addition of challenges regarding language, culture, interpretation and time zones.

Joseph

Ok so yes I would go to the course for at least interests sake, I'd pay a couple hundred max

It would be beneficial to know how to do these kinds of things

CathalMc

I don't think you have a compelling product as you have stated it, as the perception (rightly or wrongly) is that most of this information is already in the public domain, subject - as you say - to some experimentation to getting the formula absolutely correct.

However, how about you increase the value to your customer, take it from a course to an extended consultancy: advise and help your customer through the full lifecycle of setting up their first website over, say, two months following the course.

Running on ad-dollars is not a particularly generous source of revenue, so the fee for this course should be reflective of that, especially in this market.

Axwell

AARRRGH wrote: »

Hello

I've been creating websites (via outsourcing) for a number of years.

Sorry but you havent created websites, you have come up with an idea which you then outsource to a developer to create and develop for you. Based on that how do you feel you have the expertise and knowledge to advise people on hosting, development, programming languages, SEO tactics, marketing advice etc? Im assuming from your post that you dont have a background in design or development and have just outsourced a number of products,mainly those in your signature.
If you were offering information such as what is outsourcing, how to find the right person, where to look etc then thats one area but you mention teaching them what hosting to choose, what language etc. From what I see in your post i dont see how this is information you are qualified to give apart from your own experience in outsourcing. Part of a designer/developers job is to sit with the client and go through all this and inform them of the options available and recommend the best options for them in creating their site, but from what I can see you are neither designer or developer.
Outsourcing can be a risky option unless you know what you are doing and I think a lot of the type of people you are aiming at would feel more comfortable going with a local option where they can meet face to face, or know they can pick up the phone for support. Cheaper isnt always better and personally I dont see this working, its a shame to see you are trying to suggest people go outside the country to get their websites designed instead of trying to keep the business within our own country with the current situation.

delllat

Axwell wrote: »

Sorry but you havent created websites, you have come up with an idea which you then outsource to a developer to create and develop for you. Based on that how do you feel you have the expertise and knowledge to advise people on hosting, development, programming languages, SEO tactics, marketing advice etc? Im assuming from your post that you dont have a background in design or development and have just outsourced a number of products,mainly those in your signature.
If you were offering information such as what is outsourcing, how to find the right person, where to look etc then thats one area but you mention teaching them what hosting to choose, what language etc. From what I see in your post i dont see how this is information you are qualified to give apart from your own experience in outsourcing. Part of a designer/developers job is to sit with the client and go through all this and inform them of the options available and recommend the best options for them in creating their site, but from what I can see you are neither designer or developer.
Outsourcing can be a risky option unless you know what you are doing and I think a lot of the type of people you are aiming at would feel more comfortable going with a local option where they can meet face to face, or know they can pick up the phone for support. Cheaper isnt always better and personally I dont see this working, its a shame to see you are trying to suggest people go outside the country to get their websites designed instead of trying to keep the business within our own country with the current situation.

As a country weve outscourced everything else
Why should web design be any differnt?

theres hardly an irish person left making teas,coffees or nnearly any other service level job,

majority of cleaners in a company i know are polish.lithuanian or russian (+sexy)

theres a indian in almost every centra/spar

why shouldnt they build our websites if were having them do everything else?

Axwell

delllat wrote: »

As a country weve outscourced everything else
Why should web design be any differnt?

theres hardly an irish person left making teas,coffees or nnearly any other service level job,

majority of cleaners in a company i know are polish.lithuanian or russian (+sexy)

theres a indian in almost every centra/spar

why shouldnt they build our websites if were having them do everything else?

Web design/development is a skilled area making tea isnt so their isnt really a comparrison. Also those jobs you refer to are given to people within the country not outsourced, you dont get someone in India to make your tea and send it over to you. In the current climate we should be looking to help our own, buy local etc not pushing more money out of the country.

delllat

Axwell wrote: »

Web design/development is a skilled area making tea isnt so their isnt really a comparrison. Also those jobs you refer to are given to people within the country not outsourced, you dont get someone in India to make your tea and send it over to you. In the current climate we should be looking to help our own, buy local etc not pushing more money out of the country.

a lot of our doctors,surgeons and medical personell are outsourced and most would agree they are more highy skilled than website designers

buying local is great but hardly practical when cutting costs in a recession

if u can afford it thats great ,but i personally would offer the work to the person with the most attractiive offer whether they live in a slum in india or a mansion in dublin 4

Axwell

You are talking about people from other countries working here such as doctors etc, this isnt outsourcing in the sense we are talking about in fact it isnt outsourcing at all thats a skilled workforce who happen to work in our country, an Indian doctor in a hospital here doesnt get paid any less than an irish one, we are referring to getting people in another country to do the work because they do it cheaper than someone here and sending the work over there to be done, in this case outsourcing web design/development. The issue I have is that cheaper isnt always better and unless the OP is qualified enough to give advice on all areas of web design/development I cant see their idea working. You may as you say offer it to someone in the the slums of india but whats to say they dont do a poor job and then you are left having to pay someone here to fix it and spending more than you would have initially. Outsourcing is a risky business unless you know what you are doing, especially when in relation to web design and development. His service is more a guidance in outsourcing from a project management side of things, as far as having the technical knowledge in the area i dont think he has it. Thats my two cents and because of it I dont think it will work or people will pay for it as its not a substantial enough offer that they cant already just source this information online themselves.

delllat

Axwell wrote: »

You are talking about people from other countries working here such as doctors etc, this isnt outsourcing in the sense we are talking about in fact it isnt outsourcing at all thats a skilled workforce who happen to work in our country, an Indian doctor in a hospital here doesnt get paid any less than an irish one, we are referring to getting people in another country to do the work because they do it cheaper than someone here and sending the work over there to be done, in this case outsourcing web design/development. The issue I have is that cheaper isnt always better and unless the OP is qualified enough to give advice on all areas of web design/development I cant see their idea working. You may as you say offer it to someone in the the slums of india but whats to say they dont do a poor job and then you are left having to pay someone here to fix it and spending more than you would have initially. Outsourcing is a risky business unless you know what you are doing, especially when in relation to web design and development. His service is more a guidance in outsourcing from a project management side of things, as far as having the technical knowledge in the area i dont think he has it. Thats my two cents and because of it I dont think it will work or people will pay for it as its not a substantial enough offer that they cant already just source this information online themselves.

of course there is the chance of not being happy with the work but the majority of outsourcers dont get paid until the job is done so its in their best interests to get it right

however i agree with you when you say it will be difficult to sell people this information.all the information is out there if anyone can be arsed looking for it

Axwell

With oursourcing you tend to have to lump some money into escrow and what usually happens is you give them a spec and then they say right we are done pay us, at this stage you realise its not finished how you imagined or theres bits not done but because you didnt mention every detail in the spec they claim they are finished and you must pay them. Its in their interest to meet the spec and nothing more, you dont get any consultation or advice like you would from an Irish designer meeting them face to face and this is invaluable to getting your site done right. At this point you end up paying an irish designer their rate to fix it up for you which you could have avoided in the first place by getting someone here to do it and having a face to face meeting and getting advice from them.

however i agree with you when you say it will be difficult to sell people this information.all the information is out there if anyone can be arsed looking for it

Exactly and outsourcing as i said is a risky option unless you know what you are doing and i cant see the basic information being offered by the OP to be any more assuring to someone when its available on google or going to a freelance website like getafreelancer or elance.

madmik

Axwell wrote: »

With oursourcing you tend to have to lump some money into escrow and what usually happens is you give them a spec and then they say right we are done pay us, at this stage you realise its not finished how you imagined or theres bits not done but because you didnt mention every detail in the spec they claim they are finished and you must pay them. Its in their interest to meet the spec and nothing more, you dont get any consultation or advice like you would from an Irish designer meeting them face to face and this is invaluable to getting your site done right. At this point you end up paying an irish designer their rate to fix it up for you which you could have avoided in the first place by getting someone here to do it and having a face to face meeting and getting advice from them.



Exactly and outsourcing as i said is a risky option unless you know what you are doing and i cant see the basic information being offered by the OP to be any more assuring to someone when its available on google or going to a freelance website like getafreelancer or elance.

i put in a quote for an oscommerce site this morning saying i needed a quick professional oscommerce site with shopping cart,products,images,descriptions ,basically everything ,and budget of $200 and ive had email offers bouncing back all day and even some lower offers!

one crazy kid offfered to do it for $70

heggie

thats $200 thrown down the toilet so.

Axwell

madmik wrote: »

i put in a quote for an oscommerce site this morning saying i needed a quick professional oscommerce site with shopping cart,products,images,descriptions ,basically everything ,and budget of $200 and ive had email offers bouncing back all day and even some lower offers!

one crazy kid offfered to do it for $70

$200 is for nothing and while you will get plenty of offers i fear you will get a generic oscommerce template thrown up with a few of your products put in and the rest left to you to add later. When it comes to support you wont have any, when it comes to making sure the site is updated and secure again you wont be able to go back to them about it and as its not your area of expertise probably wont know if it is secure etc when they give you the final site. While its not the case with every outsourcing place it is with a lot and you will get burned. They dont treat you as a customer or a client you are just another $200, by going with an Irish web design company you can have a face to face meeting, ongoing updates, maintenance and the assurance everything is looked after. For the extra money you pay its worth it for the service you receive IMO.

madmik

Axwell wrote: »

$200 is for nothing and while you will get plenty of offers i fear you will get a generic oscommerce template thrown up with a few of your products put in and the rest left to you to add later. When it comes to support you wont have any, when it comes to making sure the site is updated and secure again you wont be able to go back to them about it and as its not your area of expertise probably wont know if it is secure etc when they give you the final site. While its not the case with every outsourcing place it is with a lot and you will get burned. They dont treat you as a customer or a client you are just another $200, by going with an Irish web design company you can have a face to face meeting, ongoing updates, maintenance and the assurance everything is looked after. For the extra money you pay its worth it for the service you receive IMO.

just out of interest how much would an irish siite charge for a modified generic template of an oscommerce site with shopping cart and say 50 products?

Axwell

Not allowed to give quotes or prices on boards you would have to go to adverts.ie and put an ad up to get quotes but your looking at anything from 1200 upwards for an ecommerce site depending who quoted you, obviously more than your budget on the outsourcing site but like with anything else you get what you pay for and the service and site should reflect this. A problem with services is peoples perception on how much things should cost, you might feel 1200 upwards is a lot for your site but the amount of time and work to do a proper custom built ecommerce website that is standards compliant and secure merits that price tag. Unfortunately the cost of living in Ireland also dictates the cost of any service in this country and as such is bound to be higher than those on outsourcing sites however as i said before you get the advantage of being able to meet or dicuss what you want and get advice and afterwards get support and maintenance when needed and get what you pay for.

professore

My main problem is that there is a good chance you will be hacked if you outsource like this. Unless you know and trust who you are outsourcing to you could be storing up big problems. I have had to fix a site that a client outsourced before, it had viruses embedded in the code. Took a while to clean it up, and gave the client a very bad rep.

delllat

professore wrote: »

My main problem is that there is a good chance you will be hacked if you outsource like this. Unless you know and trust who you are outsourcing to you could be storing up big problems. I have had to fix a site that a client outsourced before, it had viruses embedded in the code. Took a while to clean it up, and gave the client a very bad rep.

do u work for cia or kgb??:rolleyes:

T-Square

AARRRGH wrote: »

Hello
Would anyone be interested in a "how to make a cheap website by outsourcing" course?
This is just an idea I've had this weekend. I'm wondering if there would be any interest?

Judging by your very low rank on Google, I'd suggest you get some training on website design/marketing yourself.

delllat

T-Square wrote: »

Judging by your very low rank on Google, I'd suggest you get some training on website design/marketing yourself.

:rolleyes:

Bottle_of_Smoke

Hmmm, this is literally exactly what I need. Unfortunately no money. If I still had a regular income I don't see why I wouldn't part with €300

Then again I know nothing of how much is to be made. If it was a lot I'd pay you more, if it wasn't I don't know if id be bothered at all.

Axwell

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Hmmm, this is literally exactly what I need. Unfortunately no money. If I still had a regular income I don't see why I wouldn't part with €300

Then again I know nothing of how much is to be made. If it was a lot I'd pay you more, if it wasn't I don't know if id be bothered at all.

Why though would you pay him €300 so he can show you how to go about outsourcing your web project and then have to pay the person you outsource it to for the project on top of that, lets say another €300 when you could just pay that €600 to a web designer here?? Or is it exactly what you are looking for because you think after him showing you a few things you would be able to start successfully outsourcing projects and pretending you are a web designer? The amount of people here lately just turning their attention towards web design and posting to do work for little or no money is crazy when they dont have the skills or know how involved.

Pixelcraft

whatever about the flaws of the 'service' being offered, I think the OP has missed one crucial point. For someone to outsource creation of a site in this manner, they are penny pinching and extremely cost (cost, not value) conscious. This type of person will sooner spend a month researching it themselves than paying you hundreds to learn how. This is the 1 fundamental flaw in your idea, regardless of it being a good one or not.

Joseph

300 euro seems reasonable enough but perhaps you could include some extras with it i.e. contacts etcera for the 300 euro or charge a slightly lower price without extras 250 ?

waxon-waxoff

I have an idea for a web based business but how can you prevent the programmer from copying your idea and setting up a rival?

There are templates that are available on the internet for basic sites, anyone know if they are any good?

Pixelcraft

waxon-waxoff wrote: »

how can you prevent the programmer from copying your idea and setting up a rival?

I guess you can't, but this is where trust comes into play.

Axwell

Why just the programmer? There is nothing to stop anyone copying your idea once its up there. Depending on the detail of the code some etc some programmers will write into the contract that they own the code not you also. It depends on your idea to be honest but stopping anyone is difficult. As for the web templates the are cheap to buy but anyone can have the same template as you unless you but it outright and you would need a bit of nowledge to update it and make the changes to have it looking like you want.

delllat

go to templatemonster and you will see there are great templates ready made

Axwell

The problem with templates is that loads of other people will have the same one and you still have to get someone to edit them for you after you get them if you havent the know how yourself.

EKRIUQ

Axwell wrote: »

The problem with templates is that loads of other people will have the same one and you still have to get someone to edit them for you after you get them if you havent the know how yourself.

There's billions of websites and I've been using the internet a long time and very rarely ever do I come across a website and recall that I've seen that template before.

Content is different, images are different colours and style may be similar but saying that there could be loads of websites is a poor argument that developers put out there to the uneducated. If you check out any web developer/designers portfolio out there you’ll find a common theme in design throughout them. I don’t want to single out any developer out there but it’s clear to see.
This isn’t the Web Developer Forum it’s the Entrepreneurial & Business Management forum where people are more interested in discussing business strategies

Bottle_of_Smoke

Axwell wrote: »

Why though would you pay him €300 so he can show you how to go about outsourcing your web project and then have to pay the person you outsource it to for the project on top of that, lets say another €300 when you could just pay that €600 to a web designer here?? Or is it exactly what you are looking for because you think after him showing you a few things you would be able to start successfully outsourcing projects and pretending you are a web designer? The amount of people here lately just turning their attention towards web design and posting to do work for little or no money is crazy when they dont have the skills or know how involved.

Yeah you're right. I actually read the post a bit wrong. How much to web designers tend to charge?

Axwell

EKRIUQ wrote: »

There's billions of websites and I've been using the internet a long time and very rarely ever do I come across a website and recall that I've seen that template before.

Content is different, images are different colours and style may be similar but saying that there could be loads of websites is a poor argument that developers put out there to the uneducated. If you check out any web developer/designers portfolio out there you’ll find a common theme in design throughout them. I don’t want to single out any developer out there but it’s clear to see.
This isn’t the Web Developer Forum it’s the Entrepreneurial & Business Management forum where people are more interested in discussing business strategies

If you think this is the case you are greatly mistaken, you might use the internet a lot but if you go over to the web forum and have a look back through the threads you will find a one company which i wont name becuase i dont want to bring it up, but they are notorious for using templates and the same websites reproduced apart from a few small changes each time. We arent talking about content, obviously that is different, but the look and layout doesnt change when people use these templates, you can search google for the swf file and find another 20 using the exact same one. Thats why its called a template and the facts are if you pay someone to use a template you arent getting a unique design, its not a scare tactic its a simple fact if you think otherwise then maybe look more into it. If you look at any decent web designers portfolio they dont use templates simple as that, certain styles might be common but that is because its whats popular right now such as web 2.0 etc but this has nothing to do with templates.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Yeah you're right. I actually read the post a bit wrong. How much to web designers tend to charge?

Not allowed to discuss prices and rates on here but feel free to pm me if you want to discuss it and get an idea of the costs involved.

I_Love_Tomatoes

to the OP, give us a few links to some of these websites. We'll give you some feedback on how good the idea is. And click some ads...

Come on now... don't be shy

Axwell

I would think they are the ones listed in his signature

gypsy777

Pixelcraft has nailed this one. People on a budget don't really have money to buy a product like this. People would sooner spend hours of their time researching it themselves.

Ive tried doing something similiar except created video tutorials showing how to create your own websites using the content management system, Joomla. Package came with unlimited domain webhosting and a massive PLR product libruary all for around €10/month and after extensive adwords campaign had next to no interest.

People aren't willing to pay if they can learn it themselves even if it does take them weeks of their own time.

delllat

gypsy777 wrote: »

Pixelcraft has nailed this one. People on a budget don't really have money to buy a product like this. People would sooner spend hours of their time researching it themselves.

Ive tried doing something similiar except created video tutorials showing how to create your own websites using the content management system, Joomla. Package came with unlimited domain webhosting and a massive PLR product libruary all for around €10/month and after extensive adwords campaign had next to no interest.

People aren't willing to pay if they can learn it themselves even if it does take them weeks of their own time.

peoplel are notoriously tight when it comes to paying for a website,it just seems to be one of those things that people dont expect it to have a pricetag

I spent a month building mine messing about before i gave up and hired someone to do it

some may be more qualified than me but i found it too much info to learn :

oscommerce
programming
photoshop
web design
logo design
SITE maintaince
SEO

in the space of a few hours

its funny in that respect because you wouldnt read a few pages on the internet and decide do your own :

legal work like a laywer
fix car like a mechanic
fix ur familys teeth like a dentist
woodwork like a carpenter
lay tile like a tyler
lay pipes like a plumber
build walls like a bricklayer
(insert any other job here)

but when it comes to building a website......well :rolleyes:

blackiebest

Axwell wrote: »

Web design/development is a skilled area making tea isnt so their isnt really a comparrison. Also those jobs you refer to are given to people within the country not outsourced, you dont get someone in India to make your tea and send it over to you. In the current climate we should be looking to help our own, buy local etc not pushing more money out of the country.

i agree with your sentiment however it is illogical today to implement your suggestion. In this field, which I only have experience as a punter, Rip off Ireland is very alive adn well. In adverts.ie there is an add running for 99euro websites, and I have been in contact with this company, and because of their model I would endorse using the service, likewise with designers using open source and home based to cut costs, however as a victim of 10k+ website builds I feel that web design in the main, in this country is off the wall.

I had reason to get some 3d modeling for a house done last year, cheapest quote I got in Eire was 1200e while I got a very professional job done by a company in India, paid nothing up fronmt untill all work was done and approved by me and all in for 150$ US. This country is stupid and very screwed up in terms of price adn expectations and as long as this remains I would never fault anyone for going overseas if Massive savings can be made.

How cna we be loyal to this screwed up system run by ar*eholes?

Regarding the idea, I think it would be great to learn what you have learned but would not pay much for it, how about a series of skypecasts and try to extract 'donations' from your pupils, or pay to log on to attend class. Frankly the likes of http://chris.pirillo.com/ is covering this type of idea very well and I suggest you went tthat route.

Axwell

An Irish company that is in any way decent cant compete with those prices though due to the cost of living in Ireland. While outsourcing abroad to places like India works out cheaper, as i said above it is a risky task but you can be lucky and get a good job done. Another problem though is you have people then in Ireland trying to do web design as a nixer and throwing up sites for €200 or less that dont meet standards,have bad design and look awful, but to the normal punter it might look fine and its cheaper than anyone else. At the end of the day those that know what they want will pay a decent price for it, those that dont will pay the cheap price and end up paying it two or three times over because of a poor job. While outsourcing can be successful its just something that needs to be done with caution.

heggie

if you can't see the difference between a 99 euro 'website' and a 10k+ project, there is something seriously wrong with you.