Quick Question.

brennaldo

ok something has just puzzled me there,

last season, just before ben turned the whell, didnt he say to locke that whoever moves the island cannot return to it, but yet in the last episode ben is on the plane with the rest of them going back to the island,

i could be missing something here or else im just completely off, but anyone else noticed this? or has an answer to this?

Psychedelic

i'd say ben was just lying to locke about that. both ben and locke moved the wheel and both are now back on the island.

cooker3

When in doubt I just assume Ben is lying.

Biggins

I could be wrong but I think that what Ben might have meant was that if you leave the island at a particular time period, you can't return to it (unless when you do so, its a continuation of the timeline from when you did manage to leave it).

In other words, if you leave on a boat floating away from the island for example, once you get outside the zone that time shifts, you can't u-turn and return for the island might have shifted.

...I reserve the right to be wrong and probably stupid to boot! LOL

Mr.Nice Guy

I think Ben was lying based on what Christian said to Locke.

"Since when did listening to him get you anywhere worth a damn?"

purple_hatstand

Biggins wrote: »

I could be wrong but I think that what Ben might have meant was that if you leave the island at a particular time period, you can't return to it (unless when you do so, its a continuation of the timeline from when you did manage to leave it).

In other words, if you leave on a boat floating away from the island for example, once you get outside the zone that time shifts, you can't u-turn and return for the island might have shifted.

...I reserve the right to be wrong and probably stupid to boot! LOL

Sawyer and co. all made it back to the island as did Jin.
I think the OP was talking about those who move the island by turning the wheel in 'The Orchid'. This is only relevant (as far as we know so far) to Ben and Locke.
The wheel turns.
The island moves.
The wheel-turner wakes up in Tunisia.
Is the island that Ben and Locke have arrived on 'The Island'? Or is it the island with the animal cages? Pedantic maybe?
Ben might have been lying (he usually seems to be).
Ben might not know everything(!)
Eloise Hawking (who seems to know more about the island than Ben and certainly knows more than Locke) didn't mention anything about this.....if it was impossible, she would know.

kryogen

my own thoughts are that Ben lied because he needed to get off the island to go see Widmore and he inteded to kill his daughter, wether he succeeded or not we dont know yet......

Ben manipulates people and situations all the time, i think it was confirmed when Christian told Locke that he had told him he had to move the island not Ben, and the "since when did listening to him......." statement, that Ben had simply lied to Locke to further his own end

AlphaMale 3OO

I reckon its just a hole in the script. Not the first and most likely not the last.

kryogen

AlphaMale 3OO wrote: »

I reckon its just a hole in the script. Not the first and most likely not the last.

i dont think they would have such a gaping hole in the script in such a short time frame though, and knowing Ben desperatly wanted to get off the island to take care of business and he could easily lead john to believe he was to lead in his place and then once he had taken care of stuff he could just come back and get rid of john.....practically everyone is expendable to Ben, he doesnt have compassion for anyone, cept his daughter obv, but he was still willing to gamble with her life even!

he uses them as pawns and once they outlive their usefulness he discards them

ben bedlam

Everyone seems to think that the writers have really deep, philosphical meanings to the show. The fact of the matter is, they dont. Its just a TV show, riddled with plot holes, mistakes and mumbo-jumbo explainations and statements. When Lost finally does wrap up, and if people watch it from start to finish again, they will see that the vast majority of the show makes little sense. The writers always say they have a "gameplan", when in reality all they have is just a rough idea of where the story will end, and have to fill in the episodes with incomprehensible crap, that the viewers accept because they believe there will be a complete pay off in time.

PetKing

ben bedlam wrote: »

Everyone seems to think that the writers have really deep, philosphical meanings to the show. The fact of the matter is, they dont. Its just a TV show, riddled with plot holes, mistakes and mumbo-jumbo explainations and statements. When Lost finally does wrap up, and if people watch it from start to finish again, they will see that the vast majority of the show makes little sense. The writers always say they have a "gameplan", when in reality all they have is just a rough idea of where the story will end, and have to fill in the episodes with incomprehensible crap, that the viewers accept because they believe there will be a complete pay off in time.

You're a fan I tak it?

PetKing

ben bedlam wrote: »

Everyone seems to think that the writers have really deep, philosphical meanings to the show. The fact of the matter is, they dont. Its just a TV show, riddled with plot holes, mistakes and mumbo-jumbo explainations and statements. When Lost finally does wrap up, and if people watch it from start to finish again, they will see that the vast majority of the show makes little sense. The writers always say they have a "gameplan", when in reality all they have is just a rough idea of where the story will end, and have to fill in the episodes with incomprehensible crap, that the viewers accept because they believe there will be a complete pay off in time.

Hmmm, went to edit my post, but posted again! oops

homerun_homer

brennaldo wrote: »

ok something has just puzzled me there,

last season, just before ben turned the whell, didnt he say to locke that whoever moves the island cannot return to it, but yet in the last episode ben is on the plane with the rest of them going back to the island,

i could be missing something here or else im just completely off, but anyone else noticed this? or has an answer to this?

Ben lies, what's not to understand. He also said he didn't see Locke before his death, and that his mother taught him to read. He is a compulsive liar for his own gains, haven't you got used to this now?

If Christian or Richard Alpert told Locke that you couldn't return once you moved the frozen Donkey Wheel then you'd have cause to ask "what am I missing here?".

doctor evil

I think he meant that if you left the island by turning the wheel you couldn't return (by whatever means) to the second after you turned the wheel and disappeared.