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BER Question

  • 27-02-2009 1:23pm
    #1
    Ron09
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13 ✭


    I am doing a BER assesment for a 3 bed semi the CDER is higher than the MPCDER what is causing this?? The building regs state that the CPDER must be lower than the MCPDER ..... Has anyone come accross this, is there one factor which i need to double check?? confused.gifconfused.gif any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated


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  • #2
    topcatcbr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭topcatcbr


    Is this a new property you are assessing. If so then there is a min requirement for renewable energy sources this is where the problem is. To prove this change you fuel to wood pellet and see what happens.


  • #3
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Ron09 wrote: »
    I am doing a BER assesment for a 3 bed semi the CDER is higher than the MPCDER what is causing this?? The building regs state that the CPDER must be lower than the MCPDER ..... Has anyone come accross this, is there one factor which i need to double check?? confused.gifconfused.gif any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated

    why are you doing the assessment??

    are you checking if the design and spec conforms to building regs?
    are you checking against 2005 or 2008 regs?

    if so you have the ability to change the specification so that it complies....


  • #4
    sinnerboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭sinnerboy


    What is the primary fuel source . With elec you have no chance .....


  • #5
    Ron09
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13 ✭Ron09


    ITs a house that was built under the 2005 regs. The main fuel source is mains Gas and also the secondary source for heating is a gas fire.


  • #6
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Ron09 wrote: »
    ITs a house that was built under the 2005 regs. The main fuel source is mains Gas and also the secondary source for heating is a gas fire.

    if its an existing dwelling...... why are you assessing it using the 'new dwellings' format?? :confused:


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  • #7
    Ron09
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13 ✭Ron09


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    if its an existing dwelling...... why are you assessing it using the 'new dwellings' format?? :confused:

    Its a new dwelling that received planning few years back but is only been offered for sale now


  • #8
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Ron09 wrote: »
    Its a new dwelling that received planning few years back but is only been offered for sale now

    firstly, as far as i understand it, it doesnt matter that its being offered for sale now...

    if it was signifiantly built before june 2008, it must be treated as an existing dwelling


    secondly, a building energy rating has nothing to do with building regulations.
    as a matter of professional course i would bring this to the attention of the client, but if the house has a cert of compliance then its covered..... perhaps its worthwhile telling the client that his certifier got it wrong!!


  • #9
    topcatcbr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭topcatcbr


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    firstly, as far as i understand it, it doesnt matter that its being offered for sale now...

    if it was signifiantly built before june 2008, it must be treated as an existing dwelling


    secondly, a building energy rating has nothing to do with building regulations.
    as a matter of professional course i would bring this to the attention of the client, but if the house has a cert of compliance then its covered..... perhaps its worthwhile telling the client that his certifier got it wrong!!

    I was going to say the same thing but couldnt get the words out. Writers Block?. Or im just a bit thick today. Well done


  • #10
    dunie001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭dunie001


    if it was signifiantly built before june 2008, it must be treated as an existing dwelling

    It is actually 1st january 2007 that the rules for New Dwellings came into effect.

    June 2008 is for non-domestic buildings.

    Sydthebeat is 100% correct apart from the above...the Building regulations have nothing to do with energy ratings. They are just a reference for builders to follow for compliance. As a BER assessor you don't have to worry about any of that, just that you are stating the facts as you see them...independantly i might add. But definitely mention it to the homeowner...

    Maybe you should research how to rectify the issue...just so you can tell the client what might be wrong...shows professionalism.


  • #11
    topcatcbr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭topcatcbr


    The Regulations also require the Building Energy Rating (BER) of buildings as follows:
    • new Dwellings commencing on or after 1 January 2007;
    • new Non-Domestic Buildings commencing on or after 1 July 2008; and
    • existing buildings, when let or sold, on or after 1 January 2009.
    The operative dates for BER cited above will not apply to:
    • new Dwellings for which planning permission is applied for on or before 31 December 2006 and
    which are substantially completed by 30 June 2008; and
    • new Non- Domestic buildings for which planning permission is applied for on or before 30 June
    2008 and which are substantially completed by 30 June 2010.

    I think it can be treated as an existing dwelling if it falls before this. As it was on sale before 1st of Jan 2009 without a cert.


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  • #12
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    topcatcbr wrote: »
    The Regulations also require the Building Energy Rating (BER) of buildings as follows:
    • new Dwellings commencing on or after 1 January 2007;
    • new Non-Domestic Buildings commencing on or after 1 July 2008; and
    • existing buildings, when let or sold, on or after 1 January 2009.
    The operative dates for BER cited above will not apply to:
    • new Dwellings for which planning permission is applied for on or before 31 December 2006 and
    which are substantially completed by 30 June 2008; and
    • new Non- Domestic buildings for which planning permission is applied for on or before 30 June
    2008 and which are substantially completed by 30 June 2010.

    I think it can be treated as an existing dwelling if it falls before this. As it was on sale before 1st of Jan 2009 without a cert.

    This is my reading of the situation as well....

    I think this was clarified over on the BERA forum...


  • #13
    Ron09
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13 ✭Ron09


    dunie001 wrote: »
    Maybe you should research how to rectify the issue...just so you can tell the client what might be wrong...shows professionalism.

    Thats what i will ave to do ... but what is the best way to rectify this?? installing renewables is not an option


  • #14
    topcatcbr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭topcatcbr


    Ron09 wrote: »
    Thats what i will ave to do ... but what is the best way to rectify this?? installing renewables is not an option

    This is the only way. The most common approach is to install solar panels. Another option is to instal a logburning stove in place of the open fire (It has to be able to burn timber only).

    Play around with the different options until you get an acceptable figure. Then inform your client. If thy take your recomendation or not is then their decision. Your job is more than done.


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