Can anyone tell me why Mike Ross is so under the radar

7mountpleasant

Just thinking to myself there why there is very little mentioned about Mike Ross , we are very short on options and I can't figure out why the Irish media seem to completely forget the guy exists. If you google news search the guy there is barely a mention.

Cause hes fat and crap?

He also cant cover both sides of the scrum like court and is inferior than Healy?
I heard good things about him but I actually watched a Quinns match to see what the fuss was about and he got killed,he isnt anywhere near good enough.

Court,Healy and Buckley:( are all better than him.

He is playing in the Guiness Boshfest,that says it all really.

thebossanova

7mountpleasant wrote: »

Just thinking to myself there why there is very little mentioned about Mike Ross , we are very short on options and I can't figure out why the Irish media seem to completely forget the guy exists. If you google news search the guy there is barely a mention.

I saw the quins game on TV last week and wasn't impressed by him around the park. Scrummaging seemed to be decent but didn't contribute much in the loose. Court and Healy are the way to go for Ireland in the future. Then again I'd have Ian Humphrey's and Frank Murphy starting for Ireland A this summer but thats not gonna happen anytime soon.

The media tends to concentrate on who is being picked and rarely on who they'd like to see picked, unless the person they would like is already a big name thats just been left out.

thebossanova

thebossanova wrote: »

I saw the quins game on TV last week and wasn't impressed by him around the park. Scrummaging seemed to be decent but didn't contribute much in the loose. Court and Healy are the way to go for Ireland in the future. Then again I'd have Ian Humphrey's and Frank Murphy starting for Ireland A this summer but thats not gonna happen anytime soon.

The media tends to concentrate on who is being picked and rarely on who they'd like to see picked, unless the person they would like is already a big name thats just been left out.

It probably will seeing as redan is the best sh we have and if Kidney persists with Sexon he will soon have to bump him up to the full team.

7mountpleasant

Disagree really, watched a fair few quins games and while I grant you not as mobile is a great scrummager and we could really do with a great scrummager, if you brought him back into the central contracting/provincial fold the mobility and hands issues could be addressed, healy and courts mobility is great but I have my doubts as to whether scrummaging ability is up to test standard (especially court).

7mountpleasant

7mountpleasant wrote: »

Disagree really, watched a fair few quins games and while I grant you not as mobile is a great scrummager and we could really do with a great scrummager, if you brought him back into the central contracting/provincial fold the mobility and hands issues could be addressed, healy and courts mobility is great but I have my doubts as to whether scrummaging ability is up to test standard (especially court).

He is not a good scrummager.I watched their last game and he got dominated.
On the int scene he would be anihilated.

Hes also 2 stone overweight,he needs to sort this out before he can be considered.

themont85

7mountpleasant wrote: »

Disagree really, watched a fair few quins games and while I grant you not as mobile is a great scrummager and we could really do with a great scrummager, if you brought him back into the central contracting/provincial fold the mobility and hands issues could be addressed, healy and courts mobility is great but I have my doubts as to whether scrummaging ability is up to test standard (especially court).

Healy is very young and is still learning, prop and scrummaging requires a lot of maturity in your game. Personally I see improvment in that side of Healy's game in every game extra he gets. Won't be long till he breaks into the Leinster team on a more regular basis imo.

Ross is a 'solid' GP player, but international standard? Not for me.

7mountpleasant

The guy is a good scrummager , he is a regular for one of the top english teams and although the scottish a match is not a good guide (crap opposition) he consisntently puts in very good performances, the guy is 20 stone , 6ft two and has played for a quins in thier last 12 prem and hc matches and the trot, I mean the guinn prem is the most attritional forward orientated league in the woorld , no withering violet would last in that , i have to say personally in the 2 stade games he was good and that was against a quality almost test quality team, held the scrum really well.

7mountpleasant

just found this as well
http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/sport/rugby/quins/4087311.Jones_hails_Quins_pack_for_Ross__Ireland_call/

fixer

Is this Mike Ross that used to play with Cork Con?

edit: found a picture online, confirmed it's the same guy I knew when I lived in Cork. Glad he's making a go of it on the professional stage!

thebossanova

themont85 wrote: »

Healy is very young and is still learning, prop and scrummaging requires a lot of maturity in your game. Personally I see improvment in that side of Healy's game in every game extra he gets. Won't be long till he breaks into the Leinster team on a more regular basis imo.

Ross is a 'solid' GP player, but international standard? Not for me.

You don't become international standard overnight in fairness. It's only when himself, Healy and Court start getting meaningful game-time in a green jersey will we see what they're made of and if they can cut it or not.
At least Ross is doing it week-in week-out in one of the top leagues. It's a good step in the right direction.

It seems that past Ireland coaches have always been very coy about introducing new props to the international scene, even more so than any other country. And we cant say it's because we don't have the pool of players when Scotland can do it ok. And it's not as if all our best 18 stone athlete's are playing international soccer or inter-county football!:p
Hopefully after we WIN this 6N:rolleyes: Kidney will be a bit brave and rectify this situation.

sm.org

I cant believe we've given a whole thread to this muppet. He's a ridiculously average player who must be regularly sending Stuart Barnes crates of wine to keep hyping him up.

Munster have hardly had a glut of props the last ten years and the guy couldn't even get a development contract. He must be nearly thirty by now, to late to improve now, .......................next.

7mountpleasant

sm.org wrote: »

I cant believe we've given a whole thread to this muppet. He's a ridiculously average player who must be regularly sending Stuart Barnes crates of wine to keep hyping him up.

Munster have hardly had a glut of props the last ten years and the guy couldn't even get a development contract. He must be nearly thirty by now, to late to improve now, .......................next.

27 had a contract with munster and moved to get more exposue, like him or not muppet is not a fair comment regardless what you may think of his rugby playing attributes as it is personal and not at all relevant as to whether he can make a decent test prop. If the guy is making it week in and week out in the guinness prem he must be at least a cut above AIL

Amazotheamazing

7mountpleasant wrote: »

27 had a contract with munster and moved to get more exposue, like him or not muppet is not a fair comment regardless what you may think of his rugby playing attributes as it is personal and not at all relevant as to whether he can make a decent test prop. If the guy is making it week in and week out in the guinness prem he must be at least a cut above AIL

Ross has the same problem as Casey imo, in that he suits the attrional nature of the GP but wouldn't cut it at the higher paced International game. He's an old style prop but nowadays people want props who can carry etc.

toomevara

sm.org wrote: »

I cant believe we've given a whole thread to this muppet.

No need.

premierstone

sm.org wrote: »

Munster have hardly had a glut of props the last ten years and the guy couldn't even get a development contract. He must be nearly thirty by now, to late to improve now, .......................next.

There's so many inaccuracy's in two sentences here the mind boggles :rolleyes:

Stev_o

Out of the three props we have in back up id have Ross first with Healy 2nd and Court 3rd on the basis of scrummaging. Healy really has impressed me this season with his scrummaging and hopefully the Leinster managment will see the light and have him as his first choice prop soon as he offers a hell of a lot. Ross is a complete scrummager and a very good one at that, against Ulster he and Jones destroyed the Ulster front row resulting in Court getting a "injury" and scrums going uncontested. I don't see what the harm is having him play think he deserves it more then the other on the basis of weekly game time and good performances. He's the same mold of player as Hayes and offers the exact same so why not?

Amazotheamazing

Stev_o wrote: »

Out of the three props we have in back up id have Ross first with Healy 2nd and Court 3rd on the basis of scrummaging. Healy really has impressed me this season with his scrummaging and hopefully the Leinster managment will see the light and have him as his first choice prop soon as he offers a hell of a lot. Ross is a complete scrummager and a very good one at that, against Ulster he and Jones destroyed the Ulster front row resulting in Court getting a "injury" and scrums going uncontested. I don't see what the harm is having him play think he deserves it more then the other on the basis of weekly game time and good performances. He's the same mold of player as Hayes and offers the exact same so why not?

Healy and Ross play different positions. Court can play both sides, Ross has played loosehead for Ireland A but he's not really able to cover both sides imo.