Desmond theory (Spoilerific)

Newaglish

After watching 5x06 (316) I think I've come up with an idea:

Ben kills Penny (and baby for extra shock value).
Desmond, consumed with rage, has nothing to live for in the real world and decides to exact revenge on Ben. He knows where Miss Hawking his, so she can show him how to find the island. He then takes their boat and heads on out there.

Think about it:
Ben left the church saying he had to "fulfill a promise to an old friend" - he had promised Widmore he would kill his daughter (Penny)
Desmond needs a reason to get back to the island - he has no more ties to the real world if his family is dead.
Desmond shoudn't have been on the Ajira airways flight as he never crashed on the island - he would always have had to sail back to the island.

Anyone think i'm on to anything?! It makes loads of sense in my head

Sad Professor

Yep, I've been thinking the exact same thing.

The writers obviously aren't finished with Desmond. But they need a really good reason for him to go back to the island. It's cheap but Ben killing Penny is probably the best way to do it. Either that or he just wounds her terribly, puts her into a coma or something.

I don't care for revenge plots but I'm not sure they've any other choice. They kinda wrote themselves into a corner. And as we saw with Rousseau/Alex last season they're not afraid to ruthlessly kill off characters if it means motivating another one or getting themselves out of a tight spot.

Besides anytime you see a character happy in this show it is usually a pretty good indicator that something unspeakable is about to happen to them.

Mellor

Itd been mention alot, I really hope that its a less obvious angle

cooker3

I really hope not. I love the Desmond and Penny story. I'd be genuinely angry if she dies

Anima

Nah I don't think its going to pan out like that. If Ben killed Penny, he'd do it the same way hes been doing it all along, with a silenced pistol. Nice and discrete. By the look of him when he was ringing Jack, it looked like he attacked someone with a rusty fork. Not too mention he had been beaten up somewhat, I don't think Penny's capable of that.

me-skywalker

I like taht but i dont hink its true...

as poster above said he looked more like he was in a man fight not a b*tch slap with Penny!! Plus I do believe that Penny will be there for a long time, the writers have them as a love story and an old school romantic couple, it draws in ppl in differnt ways and killing off the only couple(bar rose and old guy) would be bad.

I do still think that the 'adam and eve' bodies in the cave from season1 is Des and Penny.

Narcissus

Not sure if it has been mentioned already but one thing I noticed is the location Ben is at when he calls Jack on the phone. He's calling from a marina. Probably the same one that Desmond and Penny arrived at.

Psychedelic

me-skywalker wrote: »

I do still think that the 'adam and eve' bodies in the cave from season1 is Des and Penny.

na i doubt it. adam and eve were first shown in episode 5 of season 1, way before the writers would have even came up with the desmond and penny characters. people were theorising from day one that it was jack and kate, which i never agreed with, but am starting to believe more now though. actually i think karen and gerald degroot are more likely to be adam & eve.

me-skywalker

Psychedelic wrote: »

na i doubt it. adam and eve were first shown in episode 5 of season 1, way before the writers would have even came up with the desmond and penny characters. people were theorising from day one that it was jack and kate, which i never agreed with, but am starting to believe more now though. actually i think karen and gerald degroot are more likely to be adam & eve.

your basing that on the point that you dont think they had them wrote.... thats you speculating they made things up as they went along but there are some things that were long conceived and planned and plotted.

Psychedelic

yeah i know they had lots of stuff planned well in advance early on, but i just don't think they had des & penny in mind when they thought up of adam & eve.

me-skywalker

well could be true.. but des's back story is so strong and it ties in with widmore and penny strongly. plus penny did say she will now do whatever des will do to help him finish with the island so maybe she decides to go back with him to end it once and for all... or maybe not... could end up being jin and juliet...

lostexpectation

bens kills widmore grandson?

Mr.Nice Guy

It seems like the most logical answer is that it was something to do with Penny but I just wonder if they will swerve us on it and it will turn out maybe to be Eloise that he killed off? Maybe the revelation that she is Faraday's mother threatens his plans in some fashion.

*Dallas

i really hope Ben didn't kill Penny.. Desmond seems like the kind of guy that wouldnt let Ben escape with a simple beat-down, he'd murder him

if it did happen, then rather then go back to island, would Desmond not partner with Witmore to finally bring down Ben and the island?

i missed an episode recently where Desmond met Witmore so i might be out of the loop a bit

me-skywalker

Des teamin up with Widmore could make sense, definitly, since he told Des to protect her at all costs.. but he did also tell him to keep her in hiding so if Ben did kill Penny(hypothetically) then Widmore would also partly blame Des himself so I wouldnt be too optimistic of a Widmore - Des alliance in revenge on Ben.... plus Widmore comes across as a guy who wouldnt need Des's help to get revenge.... Hence whole team of mercenaries big guns and heli's!

christo82

A logical explanation considering Ben's location where he called Jack from(the marina), is that he has killed both Penny and Desmond. I don't think he'd be still hanging around the marina if Desmond(who probably broke his arm etc) was still alive. Desmond would have to kill Ben if Ben tried to kill Penny. But of course I hope they're not dead. Hopefully there was a scuffle and they managed to sail away before Ben could do his nasty deed.

me-skywalker

christo82 wrote: »

A logical explanation considering Ben's location where he called Jack from(the marina), is that he has killed both Penny and Desmond. I don't think he'd be still hanging around the marina if Desmond(who probably broke his arm etc) was still alive. Desmond would have to kill Ben if Ben tried to kill Penny. But of course I hope they're not dead. Hopefully there was a scuffle and they managed to sail away before Ben could do his nasty deed.

no doesnt make any sense... for couple or reasons
1. do you think if there was a physical altercation between ben and des that ben would come out ontop? looks like damaged his arm but remember des was in the military and his much bigger than ben if the did get into a scuffle ben wouldnt win.
2. des is so important to the show they've shown this countless times and even hawking said he wasnt finished with the island

so i would 100% be totally sure that ben did not kill Des

Johnmb

I reckon the marina is a red herring, and has nothing to do with Des and Penny. Why would they be there? They started in England, and are now on the west coast of the US. As far as Des was concerned, he had to pass on a message and be done with it, why would he prolong that by sailing such a long distance? It makes more sense for them to have taken a plane. Then everything would be done (message delivered) and they'd be back home on their boat within a few days rather than the weeks it would take to sail.

Sad Professor

Johnmb wrote: »

I reckon the marina is a red herring, and has nothing to do with Des and Penny. Why would they be there? They started in England, and are now on the west coast of the US. As far as Des was concerned, he had to pass on a message and be done with it, why would he prolong that by sailing such a long distance? It makes more sense for them to have taken a plane. Then everything would be done (message delivered) and they'd be back home on their boat within a few days rather than the weeks it would take to sail.

It's a good point. But I don't think the writers would have considered that. Even if you disregard the marina, Ben said he had a promise to keep. He was going back to the island so this was his last chance to kill Penny. He had just seen Desmond so finding her would have been fairly easy.

PetKing

Johnmb wrote: »

I reckon the marina is a red herring, and has nothing to do with Des and Penny. Why would they be there? They started in England, and are now on the west coast of the US. As far as Des was concerned, he had to pass on a message and be done with it, why would he prolong that by sailing such a long distance? It makes more sense for them to have taken a plane. Then everything would be done (message delivered) and they'd be back home on their boat within a few days rather than the weeks it would take to sail.

Living on a boat would be the safest way to keep out of Widmore's way, as we've seen with Sun, strolling into an airport and trying to board a flight doesn't get you very far if you've crossed him.

Killaqueen!!!

This is such a pointless storyline....the writers are trying to shock the fans who take notice to everything by hinting at deaths of Desmond and Penny which they are definitly not going to do. (Betcha next week we'll find out they're both dead).

By the way, why does Ben want to kill Penny? Why did he promise to kill her to Widmore? Just out of pettyness between the two.

Sad Professor

Killaqueen!!! wrote: »

By the way, why does Ben want to kill Penny? Why did he promise to kill her to Widmore? Just out of pettyness between the two.

Keamy (one of Widmore's guys) killed Alex last season.