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Your ideal military vehicle to be in charge of?

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Well, I'll give you the pros and cons of the vehicles I've commanded...

    M1 Tank.
    Pros: It's a frigging tank! What's not to like? Cool factor: Double-A Plus Plus.
    Cons: Maintenance is a bear. Fortunately, I have mechanics to do much of the work for me, but you're going to get muddy when the track breaks. System's getting a bit old.

    M3 Bradley.
    Pros. Has room for passengers. Suitable for families. Diesel engine is a bit simpler to trouble-shoot. Missiles and chain gun are a hoot to shoot though.
    Cons. Not as cool as a tank. Rates as a sort of B Plus. Definitely not enough armour, a little top-heavy. Tend to suffer penis envy when driving by an M1. Still haven't figured out where to sleep on it. Cargo space is a bit small compared to the tank.

    M1068/M577 Command Vehicle.
    Pros: The ultimate RV. Room to stand inside, good off-road capability. Has expandable tent to the rear to set up when you've reached your campsite. Has standard household power supplies for your laptop/coffee machine/etc.
    Cons: Very top-heavy. Not particularly sporty performance. Heater invariably breaks down in November. Seriously uncool. Horn is pathetic, it sounds like it came off a VW Beetle from 1967. (It probably did, actually)

    M998/M1114/M1151 HMMWV
    Pros: Surprisingly good off-road ability. Fits in most driveways, but is big enough to force Escalades and Expeditions off the road. Fairly cool.
    Cons: Only later versions are capable against typical road hazards like bombs. Really quite cramped inside.

    Hmm. Only four? I've driven a lot more, just not commanded them.

    NTM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭c-note


    i'm not into the military at all
    but i would enjoy going on the rampage with an A-10 warthog! :D


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Actually, I'll post my full M1 review here. (Posted some time ago in Motors)

    ____________________

    2007 Chrysler Abrams.

    Technically now produced by GD after a buyout, but introduced by Chrysler, at any rate.

    Even though this is the fourth generation of this model, you would hardly know it to look at it. It retains with very little change the same lines as the earlier first generation, and is all but identical externally to the 1990 generation.

    Getting into the drivers' seat can be difficult if you are of corpulent build, and unfortunately legroom is restricted. People over 6'2" are going to have some difficulty, though I did find myself able to squeeze in, with resulting problems of being a little heavy on the pedals. Once in, however, the driver's comfort is unparalleled by any other vehicle I've been in. Falling asleep can be a particular hazard.

    Advertised as carrying the driver and three passengers, this is quite true with no provision made for additional persons: Four seats are all you get. Though it would theoretically be possible to seat persons on the flat outside, it is ill-advised in all but emergency situations. There is ample room for luggage, each person can bring two large bags and thensome. The passenger seats themselves are basic, and the two on the right are best described as 'cramped'

    Creature comforts are limited. The heater has two settings, off and furnace, there is no air conditioning, and there are no cupholders. The sound system does have the facility to plug in your iPod or other such electronic device, but unfortunately there are no power outlets in the vehicle. Due to a design flaw, you have to step outside in order to hook into the power circuits. It is fitted with a CB-style radio system for communication with other road users. Satnav is available as an optional extra, and mounts in a pre-designated spot on the right side.

    Driving controls are simple enough to understand. A simple 'start' button spins up the engine, and the gear lever is self-explanatory. Though there are only two pedals, be warned that one of them is not the accelerator: They're the brake, and parking brake, acceleration is obtained by twisting the handlebars, just like your average motorcycle. Although the dash controls are of an unusual configuration (headlights are a toggle switch, for example), they are all very clearly marked in writing for that 'Easy to find in an emergency' convenience. All the expected dials are present, speedometer, rev counter, and so on, plus ample warning lights. The headlights are kindof weak, but this is countered by the additional night-vision systems which will pick up a rabbit a mile ahead of you on the road.

    Despite the high (1,500) horsepower engine, acceleration is nothing to write home about due to the rather low horsepower to weight ratio. My chevrolet has over 100hp/ton, but this has a mere 22hp/ton. Torque, however, is outstanding, and it will have no problems pulling the average camper trailer or boat, no matter how big, on the heavy-duty hitch provided as standard. With the ability to turn on the spot, however, parallel parking is a breeze.

    The grip, on the other hand, is astounding. Particularly impressive is braking, as the vehicle will go from 30mph to zero in ten feet, even without ABS. This can be a problem as seat belts are not provided and this can cause injury to passengers if they are not braced in anticipation. Roadhandling is very good, and it is quite possible to weave through traffic at 45mph. Unfortunately, visibility for the driver is much less good, restricted to the front, coupled with a lack of mirrors, so the driver is dependant on assistance from the passengers. Of course, should you actually hit someone, so what? The vehicles' permanent all-track-drive also provides excellent cross-country abilities, should you feel inclined in that direction.

    The ride is very comfortable, even on the worst-maintained of roads. At higher speeds, road noise is, however, atrocious. At low speeds, however, the vehicle is very quiet, and you may find yourself wishing that Chrysler had thought to incorporate a horn to get the oblivious out of your way.

    It is apparent that Chrysler spared a thought for passenger safety, complete with a continuously monitored automated fire detection and suppression system, with both manual backups and portable hand extinguishers if required. There are, however, no airbags fitted, and there is a notable lack of crumple zones.

    En-route entertainment, in addition to the aforementioned iPod hookup, is provided by the German cannon and Belgian machineguns. Hours of fun can be had with these, though one should be cautioned that their use is frowned upon in some jurisdictions.

    Build quality is adequate. It certainly does the job, though one can occasionally see rusting bolts or excess grease. The systems are also prone to leaking. All panels seem to be seamlessly welded, however. Sadly, however, the vehicle really drops down in the world of practicality. It's a little big for most driveways, and though one rarely ever finds oneself hampered by traffic, the fuel bills at about four gallons to the mile are such that only the more affluent person can use it as a daily driver. Then again, at a drive-away cost of about 4.2 million dollars, before extras like ammunition or survivability upgrades, only the most affluent can really afford to buy it in the first place so filling up the 500 gallon fuel tank won't be much of an issue.

    Recommended for small families or survivalists with a few select friends.

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭Leadership


    Vehicles I have commanded and thought the best are:

    FV180 - Combat Engineer Tractor (CET or Frog)

    Pro's - Seriously fun vehicle, its like a Caterpillar loader that can do 40 mph
    It can swim, great fun it was a 20 tonne fishing platform many a time for me
    Drives both directions! Seriously cool!

    Con's - A mechanics nightmare! Its a hybrid of parts from 8 other vehicles and constantly breaks down
    Tiny crew compartment - Two men get very close on exercise!
    No weapons mounts!

    Mamba APC -

    Pro's - Saved my life and the crews life twice by hitting landmines in Bosnia and all of us surviving
    Based on a unimog so mechanically great!

    Con's - Heating sucks, no weapons mounts

    FV511 - Warrior command vehcle

    Pro's - The cross country Ferrari APC
    WEAPONS! - Chain gun and 30 mm cannon
    Lots of room if you are a 3 man crew (Beds)

    Con's - Lots of maintenance

    FV434 - Tracked repair vehicle

    Pro's - Its a camper van! Most are retro fitted by the REME to have 3 comfy beds in the back, loads of storage and wired up with TV's, Games systems and DVD players

    Cons - Slow, cross country is poor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    I've commanded the Rooikat, Olifant Mk1 and the Eland before. The Rooikat is an exceptional machine, loved every minute of it. The Eland you need to be a master to drive, also great fun but not very reliable any more. The Olifant was just sublime.

    What would be my ideal?

    M1A1, F-16 and my wet dream... : The USS Enterprise.

    One can dream.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭Leadership


    My Wish list is as follows:

    C130H Spectra - Call of Duty 4 has a great level where you are in one of these
    Merkava - Seriously cool MBT


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Mena wrote: »
    before. The Rooikat is an exceptional machine, loved every minute of it. The Eland you need to be a master to drive, also great fun but not very reliable any more. The Olifant was just sublime.

    We have an Eland-90 just up the road here, actually. In great condition.

    I'm curious to hear more about the Olifant 1 though. I mean, it's basically a WWII tank which has been given upgrade after upgrade. Granted it didn't need to be capable of dealing with much more than an Angolan T-55 or some such, but how would it have compared to something of a relatively modern bent like the M60, AMX-30 or OF-40?

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭Duffers


    Leadership and Manic Moran, what do you think of the Viking?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    US army ww 2 jeep or feeling a little more adventurous (running amock ) the Humvi ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    We have an Eland-90 just up the road here, actually. In great condition.

    I'm curious to hear more about the Olifant 1 though. I mean, it's basically a WWII tank which has been given upgrade after upgrade. Granted it didn't need to be capable of dealing with much more than an Angolan T-55 or some such, but how would it have compared to something of a relatively modern bent like the M60, AMX-30 or OF-40?

    NTM

    I'm almost (almost) tempted to track you down and give the ol' Eland another run. Some good memories there, especially learning the gears :eek:

    I only spent 10 days or so with the Olifant, so won't say I am an expert on it at all, but it is pretty much a 1990's tank (the Mk1B) with computerised fire control system et al. They're pretty formidable but I've never used one in anger, unlike the Rooikat and Eland.

    It was a pity as I'd always wanted to drive/command a tank and only got to spend very little time with her before being shipped out to the SSB.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭Leadership


    Duffers wrote: »
    Leadership and Manic Moran, what do you think of the Viking?

    It has a role and does its job well by being reliable. My only experience of them (It was the Hagglund BV then) and it was on a Artic Warfare Cadre in Norway so the warmth of it was my best memory plus not having to ski when was a plus.

    I dont think it has much of a role outside of the artic although by all accounts they did well in Afganistan.

    In terms of a cool vehicle it would be near the bottom of my list of ideal vehicles.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Never played with a Viking. They're getting good reviews, but I've never as much as been inside one, let alone be in a position to give you an opinion on its merits.

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭slapper


    a jeep
    and a lot of ammo and weapons


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 Bethrifty


    An airplane


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 borisbullrunner


    Tiger II Heavy Panzer baby. 70 tons of pure power. Nazi Germanies greatest achievment. not many tanks could face it one on one. only reason the Russians defeated it was the faster more agile t-34. :eek: BEAST of a tank!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭acmatman


    An OT 90 is definatly up there with them 12 tonnes and handles like a sports car ,it nearly does hand brake turns ,19l diesel engine ,what more ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭jcatony


    Leopard 2A6

    Go for a spin to the Dail and bring plenty of HEAT rounds:D

    Please GOD let me win the Euro millions!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Craigsy


    Apache AH Mk1img_19_16704_13?1202222227.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭Steyr


    F15E or A-10.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Saw one of these yesterday. Would make a very good RV.

    Scion-vs-LARC.jpg

    ft4.jpg

    NTM


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭toiletduck


    Awesome! What's the name of that vehicle?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    Something German for everyday use. Mercedes Unimog or an old G-Wagen in good nick. Preferably with searchlight controlled from inside for lamping.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    toiletduck wrote: »
    Awesome! What's the name of that vehicle?
    BARC

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/larc.htm


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    seeing as this is in the 'power of the imagination' forum can we also get to pick our theater of operation and era

    Would Napoleons 'Grand Armie' count as a vehicle to command :D:D

    otherwise

    victory-trafalgar.jpg
    this baby ath the battle of trafalgar, theres something appealin (yet utterly psychotic) about broadsiding the enemy.

    or if we were allowed cross eras

    this Baby at the battle of trafalgar
    bismarck2.jpg


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    I've conned one of the INS ships, so that box is ticked. But I'd love to have a shot at one of these beasts.



    And while we're at it.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭triskell


    Something German for everyday use. Mercedes Unimog or an old G-Wagen in good nick. Preferably with searchlight controlled from inside for lamping.
    yep i was thinking the exact same thing:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    I wouldnt mind trying one of these

    http://youtu.be/gpobrfOhohI

    Or this one

    http://youtu.be/ZyPsZ7kBQK0


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,580 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    acmatman wrote: »
    An OT 90 is definatly up there with them 12 tonnes and handles like a sports car ,it nearly does hand brake turns ,19l diesel engine ,what more ?
    You can do 'hand brake turns' in tanks too. You'll just need to rebuild the road after.

    Something a little different.

    image.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭tac foley


    WW2 Panther.

    Any WW2 Panther.

    tac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭iopener


    1. spitfire or p-51 mustang for the history of the aircraft
    2. F-15 pure air superiority
    3. F-16 just to see how agaile it is
    4. A-10 just to shoot that canon
    5. APACHE no reason nesscary
    6. ohio class nuclear sub the world most deadly killing machine
    7. I know its not a military vehicle but my ultimate dream machine would be the saturn 5 appollo rocket.the most powerful machine ever created by mankind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭misses with rifles


    anything with a minigun


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