HELP- PS3 & UPC 10Mg -Online Gaming Setup ?

Leiva

Guys ,
Can any of you guys please advise (total novice) on the best results and settings , I have recently purchased a PS3 and my ISP is UPC , I dont think I am getting the best out of my current setup so if you have any advice please advise on the below .

ISP : UPC - 10 MG
Router : Scientific Atlanta Modem
Wireless Modem : Netgrear (UPC SUPPLIED)

I have been reading about NAT settings and other router settings and I am having a bit of trouble understanding , If you could advise some hardware and setting changes on the above please feel free and I will be extremly greatful.

Thanks In Advance.
M.;)

ongarite

The NAT settings thread is only for users with the Netopia wireless modem.

NAT issues shouldn't be an issue with the NTL wireless router and NTL modem.

You can run an internet test in Network Settings and it will give you your NAT type & UPNP.

RangeR

I have UPC 20Mb and that same router. However, I don't use it as a router, just a switch and wifi. I don't have any issues but my setup is slightly different to yours.

• What makes you think you're not getting the most of your connection?
• Is your PS3 wired or wireless to the Netgear?
• In your PS3 menu, go to System -> Network -> Settings and connection status list.... What is your NAT type[1, 2 or 3]? If wireless, what's your signal strength and Security?
• If Wireless, do you have security enabled? If not then it might be that other people are "borrowing some of your bandwidth"

I've a sneaking suspicion that you are not having NAT issues but more of signal strength or the infamous "UPC latency"


*Edit* added in red

guil

i have upc 20mb aswell the router and modem are beside my ps3 so i got an asus switch and put it between the router and modem
my ps3 and xbox 360 are connected to the switch so they both get an external ip and both have nat 1/open

Leiva

Little more info ....

I am connecting wireless to my PS3 via the Netgear modum which is about 1 foot from the PS3 (signal excellent).
I am currently gaming on line , playing RSV2 but it keeps dropping out on me during gameplay "session no longer available" , I have been reading about some problems with this ubisoft server but my drop outs are nearly once every second game :mad: , I understand that the hosts connection needs to be factored in aswell but I have a sneaky suspicion that I am not getting the best out of it either .
I do see when in the LOBBY of a particular game the signal and connection health (3 dots on top left of screen) and they seem to be healthy enough but then surley enough when i am half into a game I am dropping out.
Do UPC disrupt on line gaming ?

answers :

• What makes you think you're not getting the most of your connection? see above.
• Is your PS3 wired or wireless to the Netgear? wireless
• In your PS3 menu, go to System -> Network -> Settings and connection status list.... What is your NAT type[1, 2 or 3]? If wireless, what's your signal strength and Security?nearly sure it said NAT was off but will check when i get home and reply ,everything is set to "automatic" no fixed i.p etc...I will copy all settings from this menu for your review
• If Wireless, do you have security enabled? If not then it might be that other people are "borrowing some of your bandwidth" again will check and ask for advice
  

Again apoligise for been so green , any info you need to help please ask,.


M.

guil

if ur that close to the modem put a switch between it and the router
no need to mess around with ports or dmz then

RangeR

mixednuts wrote: »

Little more info ....

I am connecting wireless to my PS3 via the Netgear modum which is about 1 foot from the PS3 (signal excellent).
I am currently gaming on line , playing RSV2 but it keeps dropping out on me during gameplay "session no longer available" , I have been reading about some problems with this ubisoft server but my drop outs are nearly once every second game :mad: , I understand that the hosts connection needs to be factored in aswell but I have a sneaky suspicion that I am not getting the best out of it either .
I do see when in the LOBBY of a particular game the signal and connection health (3 dots on top left of screen) and they seem to be healthy enough but then surley enough when i am half into a game I am dropping out.
Do UPC disrupt on line gaming ?

answers :

• What makes you think you're not getting the most of your connection? see above.
• Is your PS3 wired or wireless to the Netgear? wireless
• In your PS3 menu, go to System -> Network -> Settings and connection status list.... What is your NAT type[1, 2 or 3]? If wireless, what's your signal strength and Security?nearly sure it said NAT was off but will check when i get home and reply ,everything is set to "automatic" no fixed i.p etc...I will copy all settings from this menu for your review
• If Wireless, do you have security enabled? If not then it might be that other people are "borrowing some of your bandwidth" again will check and ask for advice
  

Again apoligise for been so green , any info you need to help please ask,.


M.

As suggested, go wired if the distance is that short. Even just for a day or two as a test.

Then.... when you get disconnected from the game, do you also get logged out of PSN?

If you get logged out of PSN, then it's your internet connection.
If you are still logged in yo PSN, then it's the game [or the host user or ubi server]. Nothing you can do.

Simple as that, almost.

Does it happen to any other games?

PS : NAT will ALWAYS be either type 1, 2 or 3. Type 2 is preferred but I hear that some games will only work with NAT 1 [but maybe that's only for eircom customers]

Leiva

Thanks Guys ...excellent advice .

I have tried taking the patch cable out of the back of the netgear and going straight into the PS3 but I am getting a DNS error when I try and go online gaming ...

(1)Do I need to reconfigure the PS3 for a wired connection??.

(2)Is a wired connection into my PS3 the best and can you tell me the best configuration (settings) NAT UpNp etc , to get the most from it .

ALSO

(2)If I put a switch in is it a simple case of plugging my Broadband into the supply side of the switch then out the other side have a cable to my PS3 and another to my Netgear (wireless) for my Broadband on Laptop ?

Before I forget...thanks for the all the help so far

guil

yes go with number 2 and set up the connection on the ps3 again, select easy and everythin to auto
ya will have nat 1 then

Leiva

Right will do ....

Any type of switch or is there one for gaming ?

Any type of cable (cat5 ) or is there one for gaming ?

RangeR

Yeah, any type of switch and CAT 5 cable will do. Just make sure it's a Straight Through patch lead rather than a cross over cable, although most switches these days are auto sensing.

However, I'm confused as to why you need a switch. The router I got with UPC has a switch built in. If you look at the back of it, you will see one WAN port and four [I think] LAN ports. If this is the case, you don't need a new switch.

Cat5 cables should have come with your PS3 and/or your UPC and or the netgear router. You should be able to use any of them.


So you want....

UPC modem -> Netgear WAN port
PS3 -> ANY netgear LAN port
Configure PS3 to use the LAN cable and choose easy install.

I don't know if NAT 1 will be enabled by default but maybe uPNP does this. I don't [can't] use uPNP on my Endian [don't ask ] firewall/router.

In summary, you should have everything you need so it shouldn't cost you anything but time.

RangeR

Another point I want to make is... Keep it simple. Get that NAT term out of your head until we KNOW it's the problem.

Let's just get your PS3 wired up and test that first.

1. Make one change and one change only.
2. Test the problem
3. If all works, then grand
4. If still not working, proceed to step 1.

If you make too many changes [without fully understanding with you are doing] with testing after each step, you may end up chasing your tail.

Leiva

Thanks R ...

I dont think the Netgear wireless is the fastest to use as a switch ... am i right ? ... I was advised on a gig switch for gaming , does this make sense?

ongarite

mixednuts wrote: »

Thanks R ...

I dont think the Netgear wireless is the fastest to use as a switch ... am i right ? ... I was advised on a gig switch for gaming , does this make sense?

Gigabit swtich for gaming is completely unnecessary. You are only sending tiny amount of data over the internet when playing online games, only small amount more if voice chat is being used.

Leiva

Right Guys thank you all , I really mean it , all the advice is really welcome and I have a warm heart with all the help i have received .

Going home to directly wire the PS3 into the Netgear WGR614 Router Lan port and reconfigure the PS3 for wired connection , will give it a good test using RSV2 game and report back all settings and experience .

You are all Gents and talk soon .

M.

Leiva

Update...

PS3 is now wired and I have seen a definite improvement , played around 10games and 1 drop out (host problem ) so thats a real improvement .

My PS3 seetings are :

UpnP - ENABLED
NAT - TYPE 2

Question :
Whats the difference between NAT 1 , 2 and 3 ?

Can i get NAT 1 using UPC 10mg ?

Whats the risk of going NAT 1 with the following config:
Modem _____>Netgear
Netgear ____>PS3 wired
Netgear_____>Laptop XP wireless.

Ta.
M

RangeR

mixednuts wrote: »

Update...

PS3 is now wired and I have seen a definite improvement , played around 10games and 1 drop out (host problem ) so thats a real improvement .

My PS3 seetings are :

UpnP - ENABLED
NAT - TYPE 2

Question :
Whats the difference between NAT 1 , 2 and 3 ?

Can i get NAT 1 using UPC 10mg ?

Whats the risk of going NAT 1 with the following config:
Modem _____>Netgear
Netgear ____>PS3 wired
Netgear_____>Laptop XP wireless.

Ta.
M

NAT 1 is usually static IP addressing with PAT (Port Address Translation).

NAT 2 is Dynamic IP addressing with PAT

NAT 3 is Dynamic IP addressing with some PAT (firewall or router blocking some of the ports)

NAT 2 is perfectly fine for home use, especially if you only get one IP address from your ISP. NAT 3 can cause problems with certain applications (maybe voice chat doesn't work and you may have problems hosting a game), but you should still be able to connect and play as a client. NAT 1 is not a requirement unless you have unique addressing issues and understand TCP/IP networking enough to understand what your doing by placing something in an unsecured space on the internet.

taken from here because I don't wanna type it

In a nutshell, NAT 2 is preferred, more secure and works with about 99.999% of the stuff a normal user needs.

EDIT : If everything is working, don't even think of NAT 1. It would be more of a hindrance that anything else. For example, you wouldn't be able to stream movies or music from your laptop to PS3.

Well done on getting it sorted. Especially not having to fork out any money.

Now we know the problem, the cause was probably another wifi point close by on the same channel. When you do a wifi scan, do you see more then your network?

Leiva

RangeR ...the only reason i did not have to fork out a cent was because of the help you gave me and the other guys also .Really mean it thanks alot , it may have not been a big deal for you and in comparison and hypatetically speaking like telling someone how to make toast but when you dont know what bread and a taoster it can be confusing .:p

Answer your question : Yes I can sometime view other wireless networks in my status window so that could have been the problem , I also did notice when I am on the Web on my laptop that i get info prompts ever 5-10mins that my UPC wireless connection "is now connected" so it could be dropping out and reconnecting every few seconds , is not a problem when surving web on laptop but causing havoc when on line gaming.

Last question :

Am i all set now ? dont need to worry about ports etc ?
Is there anything else I can do to pimp and improve my PS3 and network

M.

RangeR

mixednuts wrote: »

RangeR ...the only reason i did not have to fork out a cent was because of the help you gave me and the other guys also .Really mean it thanks alot , it may have not been a big deal for you and in comparison and hypatetically speaking like telling someone how to make toast but when you dont know what bread and a taoster it can be confusing .:p

You are more than welcome

mixednuts wrote: »

Last question :

Am i all set now ? dont need to worry about ports etc ?
Is there anything else I can do to pimp and improve my PS3 and network

M.

You are set. You now have a very similar setup to myself [and most non eircom customers]. I haven't had an online problem so far [approx 2 years]. Keep an eye on it over the next while. There may be the ODD game that might have a problem but let's cross that bridge if it happens.

Happy gaming. gg&hf.

PS, you still have wifi issues but it's not related to the PS3. I would suggest you start a thread in the Network/Comms forum. I'll probably one of the guys responding to it [have a few ideas already] but I don't want to muddy this PS3 thread.

Dues Bellator

mixednuts wrote: »

Guys ,
Can any of you guys please advise (total novice) on the best results and settings , I have recently purchased a PS3 and my ISP is UPC , I dont think I am getting the best out of my current setup so if you have any advice please advise on the below .

ISP : UPC - 10 MG
Router : Scientific Atlanta Modem
Wireless Modem : Netgrear (UPC SUPPLIED)

I have been reading about NAT settings and other router settings and I am having a bit of trouble understanding , If you could advise some hardware and setting changes on the above please feel free and I will be extremly greatful.

Thanks In Advance.
M.;)

dont even think about using the wireless on your ps3, its terrible.hardwire it

Jax Teller

am thinking of gettin upc 10mb boradband , what nat settings would they have??

Leiva

Key,

I am on NAT 1 .... to get this NAT Type you will need to go wired connection straight from the UPC modem , bypassing the router .

If you want to use your wireless router as well (obviously) then simply put a network switch between the Modem , PS3 and router.

MODEM ..> SWITCH ..>PS3 ( on NAT 1)
..>Router ( firewall and secure)

Hope this Helps.

Luke.

Jax Teller

mixednuts wrote: »

Key,

I am on NAT 1 .... to get this NAT Type you will need to go wired connection straight from the UPC modem , bypassing the router .

If you want to use your wireless router as well (obviously) then simply put a network switch between the Modem , PS3 and router.

MODEM ..> SWITCH ..>PS3 ( on NAT 1)
..>Router ( firewall and secure)

Hope this Helps.

Luke.

woo slow down there :pac: .
say i order upc now and get it installed what nat type would i have ?

Leiva

keysersoze_88 wrote: »

woo slow down there :pac: .
say i order upc now and get it installed what nat type would i have ?

Key,
NAT type is not specified by whatever ISP you decide .

E.G
If you order UPC 10mg in the morning , you will more than likely be provided with a UPC modem and a Netgear wireless router (or similar) .
You can connect your PS3 via wireless or wired no problems , what NAT type you get is dependent on how you setup or configure.


Best solution for you to get NAT 1 is how in mentioned previous .

Jax Teller

mixednuts wrote: »

Key,
NAT type is not specified by whatever ISP you decide .

E.G
If you order UPC 10mg in the morning , you will more than likely be provided with a UPC modem and a Netgear wireless router (or similar) .
You can connect your PS3 via wireless or wired no problems , what NAT type you get is dependent on how you setup or configure.


Best solution for you to get NAT 1 is how in mentioned previous .

sounds complicated cheers though

tok9

Is the Netgear WGR614 a good gaming router... thinking of getting it off ebay for 25 euro.. i've got the netopia one on nat 3

F1ngers

mixednuts wrote: »

Key,

I am on NAT 1 .... to get this NAT Type you will need to go wired connection straight from the UPC modem , bypassing the router .

If you want to use your wireless router as well (obviously) then simply put a network switch between the Modem , PS3 and router.

MODEM ..> SWITCH ..>PS3 ( on NAT 1)
..>Router ( firewall and secure)

Hope this Helps.

Luke.

I thought UPC now supply a modem/router all-in-one as opposed to a separate modem and router. I don't know if it makes much difference to getting NAT 1 though.

Open to correction though.

tok9

tok9 wrote: »

Is the Netgear WGR614 a good gaming router... thinking of getting it off ebay for 25 euro.. i've got the netopia one on nat 3

Any advice on this? the time will be up by 2moro and i just want to make sure it will be better.

F1ngers

tok9 wrote: »

Is the Netgear WGR614 a good gaming router... thinking of getting it off ebay for 25 euro.. i've got the netopia one on nat 3

tok9 wrote: »

Any advice on this? the time will be up by 2moro and i just want to make sure it will be better.

That's the one I got off UPC and have only had to reset it twice in the past 15 months.
I'm usually playing online poker and the PS3 at the same time the kid is on xbox live.

I recommend it.

Damien360

I have 10mg UPC with the supplied cisco combined modem/router. I have to connect via wireless. I put the PS3 in the DMZ, enabled UPnP and I get NAT1. Wife is often on the web at the same time on the PC also via wireless and we get no problems at all.

eddhorse

From reading most of the above :
No point in buying a Gigabit switch as the PS3 is only 100MB !
You are only as fast as your slowest piece of equipment.

And if you are that close to your router/switch use an ethernet cable. Wireless is for getting places you cant run wires !

tok9

F1ngers wrote: »

That's the one I got off UPC and have only had to reset it twice in the past 15 months.
I'm usually playing online poker and the PS3 at the same time the kid is on xbox live.

I recommend it.

Damien360 wrote: »

I have 10mg UPC with the supplied cisco combined modem/router. I have to connect via wireless. I put the PS3 in the DMZ, enabled UPnP and I get NAT1. Wife is often on the web at the same time on the PC also via wireless and we get no problems at all.

thanks for the advice lads.. one last question... i'm only on a 1 mb line at the moment so usually it works fine when i'm on the laptop and ps3 for certain games (MW2, Fifa), i'm just wondering will the nat type make a difference?

For example uncharted 2 online can be very frustrating.. usually when i play deathmatch or elimination my character freezes for about 5 seconds after i shoot about 4 bullets... do you think changing the nat will make a difference or is it just the speed of the line? I have a cable in the PS3 and only play games like uncharted and Metal Gear Online when no one is online

F1ngers

tok9 wrote: »

For example uncharted 2 online can be very frustrating.. usually when i play deathmatch or elimination my character freezes for about 5 seconds after i shoot about 4 bullets... do you think changing the nat will make a difference or is it just the speed of the line? I have a cable in the PS3 and only play games like uncharted and Metal Gear Online when no one is online

I don't think that has anything to do with your NAT, that sounds more like lag to me.

NAT3 on MGO and you can't be host(I'm guessing that, because most days I can host, but there are days when I can't).

When playing MW2 I've noticed my NAT at the 3 settings on that, open, moderate and strict.

tok9

fair enough... but would a better nat type mean a better connection to the PS3 or is it just for connecting to the server really?

F1ngers

tok9 wrote: »

fair enough... but would a better nat type mean a better connection to the PS3 or is it just for connecting to the server really?

No. Whether you connect on NAT1 or NAT3, you will still be on 1mb. Your upload/download speed will be unaffected.

Leiva

F1ngers wrote: »

No. Whether you connect on NAT1 or NAT3, you will still be on 1mb. Your upload/download speed will be unaffected.

True , but I get a hell of a lot better on line gaming quality when I'm on NAT1 , wired directly from the UPC modem to PS3 'v' NAT2 when I am wired via the NETGEAR router , with ports forwarded etc.

There are some downsides been wired directly from modem to PS3 , they include not be able to stream movies and music from my laptop to PS3 , apart from that I always use a wired setup from the modem.

M

tok9

Sorry for bringing back the thread but i'm wondering about NETGEAR ROUTER WNR200. It looks good but does anyone have any experience of it?

Riesen_Meal

Damien360 wrote: »

I have 10mg UPC with the supplied cisco combined modem/router. I have to connect via wireless. I put the PS3 in the DMZ, enabled UPnP and I get NAT1. Wife is often on the web at the same time on the PC also via wireless and we get no problems at all.

Thanks for that, just got the 10mb NTL with Cisco router yesterday, my PS3 is in my mates at the moment so I was wondering would I have any issues?

When you say you "put the PS3 in the DMZ" what does that mean?

I know how to enable UPnP alright!

Yama

Hi Guys,

I'd like to know how to add to the DMZ also. I have UPC cisco wireless but couldn't get it to work with my existing network when I changed to UPC, so switched off wireless and connected my Dlink wirelss router to keep everything working. I have connecte the PS3 wirelessly but have had on and off trouble conecting to PSN, have played online alright with COD MW but sometimes lose connection. Getting the 80710102 error code when signing in.

Ticking the 'Allow incoming router requests' got it working in the first place but intermittent connection now.

Thought the DMZ thing might help.

Thanks