Dublin Bus - Whats going to be cut?

meanmachine3

heres the list that was circulated around the garages, the very same list dublin bus are not publishing to the ordinary commuter. i'm a bit fed up with posting in different threads about the changes.so hopefully everyone will see these for themselves. the routes highlighted are the routes affected by the cuts. at the bottom you also have "others" which is an extra 13 buses they haven't told us about yet.
now i'll proabaly have to go into hiding because no doubt there'll be a witch hunt on to find out who i am :mad:

markpb

Leaflets were handed out this morning at Heuston saying the 90 was going to be cut too. Is that a rumour is it operated by Euro duties?

Ste.phen

the list above shows which duties are being cut, but as a layman i can't see how that relates to individual scheduled departures, etc. Has anyone got a comparison of the old / new timetables from a passenger standpoint? I'm looking specifically for info on the 40/A/B/C/D

Also, did they finally scrap the 51a?

J_Dublin15

With regards to the 40's, I heard from the Manager at Harristown, the new timetables will be out Thursday/Friday and there will be no wholesale cuts to the 40D, as for the rest I'm not sure.

He says he'll send me a timetable on ASAP, I'll let you know when I hear anything.

KC61

As yet the company have not made any official announcement - my guess is that it will be tomorrow.

patrickc

markpb wrote: »

Leaflets were handed out this morning at Heuston saying the 90 was going to be cut too. Is that a rumour is it operated by Euro duties?

how do you mean operated bu euro duites? i dont get that on the leaflet either

aidz

i'd like to know which bus eireann bus routes/schedules are cut..

anyone know?

shltter

The list posted by MeanMachine means nothing really as it does not reveal the true extent of the cuts so for example the 41 route or the 27 route is not mentioned but these routes will be cut as supplementary services like the 41x and the 27x are currently operated on a completely separate basis from the main 41 or 27 route these or at least some of these will now be incorporated into the main bill so for example if you had 6 departures at peak time per hour now 1or 2 of these buses will be Xpresso buses so you will go from a bus every 10 minutes to a bus every 12.5 or 15 minutes.

You cannot tell that from looking at the list Meanmachine gives unless you know what Euro bogey is related to what supplementary route.
The cuts are far more widespread than whats revealed by looking at that list

meanmachine3

shltter wrote: »

The list posted by MeanMachine means nothing really as it does not reveal the true extent of the cuts so for example the 41 route or the 27 route is not mentioned but these routes will be cut as supplementary services like the 41x and the 27x are currently operated on a completely separate basis from the main 41 or 27 route these or at least some of these will now be incorporated into the main bill so for example if you had 6 departures at peak time per hour now 1or 2 of these buses will be Xpresso buses so you will go from a bus every 10 minutes to a bus every 12.5 or 15 minutes.

You cannot tell that from looking at the list Meanmachine gives unless you know what Euro bogey is related to what supplementary route.
The cuts are far more widespread than whats revealed by looking at that list

thats very true shltter but at the same time, the only one that could say what the euros worked where would've been euro drivers. alot of commuters out there would've been of the impression that their route was alright. so at least my list gives an idea of what was going to be hit even thought in reality the changes would've been far greater. also there has been no talk of the 41's or 27's been hit yet. maybe down the line in a couple of months if and when the company want to hit more routes they might hit these ones, but as i said up until now these routes have not been mentioned. the 51A was part of clontarf hit list. but as all changes and industrial action has been suspended for a week at least i suppose theres little point in carrying on with this thread.
without being smart to shltter at least i was doing something to inform the public of what was happening and i think you've an idea of what the consequences would be for me if my identity was known shltter

shltter

meanmachine3 wrote: »

thats very true shltter but at the same time, the only one that could say what the euros worked where would've been euro drivers. alot of commuters out there would've been of the impression that their route was alright. so at least my list gives an idea of what was going to be hit even thought in reality the changes would've been far greater. also there has been no talk of the 41's or 27's been hit yet. maybe down the line in a couple of months if and when the company want to hit more routes they might hit these ones, but as i said up until now these routes have not been mentioned. the 51A was part of clontarf hit list. but as all changes and industrial action has been suspended for a week at least i suppose theres little point in carrying on with this thread.
without being smart to shltter at least i was doing something to inform the public of what was happening and i think you've an idea of what the consequences would be for me if my identity was known shltter

The 41's and the 27's and other routes with Xpresso services are to be hit for the reason I stated the euros that operate the 27x and the 41x as well as other routes are being canceled but the 27x and 41x will still operate but they will take buses from the main 27 and 41 bill so that means less 41 and 27 peak time departures. The new bills for these routes are on display in the depots

meanmachine3

as far as i remember , someone told me that some expresso's were meant to go back to their garage of origin. i.e. the 27x would've been based back in clontarf and the 41x in s/hill. i still disgree with the 27 being hit but i may be wrong. i know know they've taken a big hit since the introduction of the 128. alot more people are using the 128 down the straight( malahide road) rather than wasting 15-20 mins going through darndale and northside s.c.

markpb

meanmachine3 wrote: »

i know know they've taken a big hit since the introduction of the 128. alot more people are using the 128 down the straight( malahide road) rather than wasting 15-20 mins going through darndale and northside s.c.

Ironically, for people boarding anywhere south of UCI, the 27 is substantially faster than the 128 which has become a victim of it's own success.

patrickc wrote: »

how do you mean operated bu euro duites? i dont get that on the leaflet either

Some of the drivers or KC61 will be able to explain this better but my understanding is a euro duty is an extra bus/driver not assigned to a particular route but which is used to complement the peak time services or provide X services. So even though the 27 isn't on the list, if it's timetable is beefed up in the morning with euro duties and the euro duties are cut, the 27 is also at risk of being cut.

KC61

markpb wrote: »

Ironically, for people boarding anywhere south of UCI, the 27 is substantially faster than the 128 which has become a victim of it's own success.



Some of the drivers or KC61 will be able to explain this better but my understanding is a euro duty is an extra bus/driver not assigned to a particular route but which is used to complement the peak time services or provide X services. So even though the 27 isn't on the list, if it's timetable is beefed up in the morning with euro duties and the euro duties are cut, the 27 is also at risk of being cut.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Mark!!!

A EURO duty is a duty that was introduced along with the EU funded additional buses in 1999/2000. Basically, the driver works some peak hour trips in the early morning and then has a long break before returning in the afternoon to work some more peak hour journeys. The driver's hours require that the duty must finish within 12 hours of starting.

They can be on particular routes - examples in Donnybrook are the 116-117-118, or the Xpresso services such as the 15X, 49X, 50X. However, they also operate additional services on major routes such as the 16/16A, 25A, 41/41X, 27/27X where the impact of their withdrawal might not be so obvious.

My understanding regarding the 90 is that while there are cuts planned, but that the 92 may gain services. As far as I know the 90 is not operated by EURO duties.

Incidentally, while on the topic of the 90, I would like to relay my experience last Saturday afternoon. I arrived at Heuston Station at 1735 on a train from Portlaoise. The 1740 90 was waiting outside the station and I and several others boarded it. The majority of people went for the LUAS.

A tram arrived and everyone boarded it and it left. The bus departed about a minute later, and had overtaken the tram just before Museum stop. I exited the bus at the stop just at O'Connell Bridge, and strolled to Easons (I emphasise strolled), went in, purchased two magazines, and came back out of the shop, and lo and behold what was stopped at the traffic lights? The very tram that had left Heuston before the bus!

If ever there was a case for Dublin Bus marketing the service poorly this has to be it. The continuous North Quays bus lane makes that journey faster by bus every time, yet people in this still herd themselves onto the tram like sheep. It really amazes me that people cannot grasp that something on rails is not necessarily faster than a bus.

Trampas

To OP who supplied the list?

DB management? Union Reps?

shltter

Trampas wrote: »

To OP who supplied the list?

DB management? Union Reps?

Management

shltter

meanmachine3 wrote: »

as far as i remember , someone told me that some expresso's were meant to go back to their garage of origin. i.e. the 27x would've been based back in clontarf and the 41x in s/hill. i still disgree with the 27 being hit but i may be wrong. i know know they've taken a big hit since the introduction of the 128. alot more people are using the 128 down the straight( malahide road) rather than wasting 15-20 mins going through darndale and northside s.c.

Ok I will try and explain what I mean

27 route will still have the same number of duties but it will operate the 27x within that service

So for example the 5th duty let's say that would have done a 7:30 clarehall to city will now do a 7:30 27x to ucd and the other duties will have a longer gap between them so let's say you have 6 buses an hour leaving clarehall that's an bus every 10 minutes 1 or 2 of those will now be a 27x so that leaves 4 or 5 buses an hour or 12 to 15 minutes between them.

These are not the actual duties or running times I just made them up as an example

AlekSmart

The continuous North Quays bus lane makes that journey faster by bus every time, yet people in this still herd themselves onto the tram like sheep. It really amazes me that people cannot grasp that something on rails is not necessarily faster than a bus.

A large element of this bewildering practice can be put down to many first-time or irregular provincial visitors to Dublin may not have ever encountered a Tram before and are mad keen to give it a whirl.

There is also the Shiny New infrastructure bit with its smooth sleek lines and "Cosmopolitan" lines which are an integral part of the Luas package.

The 90 is still a Bus....which is irretriveably linked,and will continue to be so under Mr Dempsey`s stewardship,with the poorer elements of society,a fact which oddly enough the Luas Red Line manages to stand on its head on the stretch from Heuston to Connolly.....:o

However as shllter sez,Dublin Bus remains resolute in a continuing reluctance to market Any POSITIVE aspect of it`s services.
This may well,however,be something beyond it`s immediate control as its sole shareholder ain`t that keen on the Company becoming TOO efficient........:)