Tallaght routes cancelled

Mr. Presentable

Unofficial, but the Dublin Bus drivers have been telling commuters this morning that the "X" services to/from Tallaght will cease on Friday. From Monday passengers will need to be out about an hour earlier to get to work on time, due to packed buses and slower routes.

dub_commuter

As we can see they are giving a lot of notice. If the services they are cutting are packed, and will result in people left behind, it suggests that someone, somewhere does not know what they are doing.

However they are only Expressos.

KC61

Tbh I don't think that the impact of the 49X, 50X, 65X and 77X being cancelled is going to be that great?

We're talking about 5 buses in total out of a far greater number serving Tallaght, which from my observations were (with the exception of the 49X) never packed, and they certainly do not save over an hour on the ordinary bus routes.

I'd be more worried about cuts to the full service routes.

Dodge

Any news on other direct bus routes? Mine (51D) saves at least 45 minutes either journey

dub_commuter

Yes, I'd be inclined to agree with this, the loss of Expresso's is not that great, they can just use normal services.

On the range of big cuts, it's in this mornings press that 54 departures on the 13 will be cut, and also rumoured that the 40D will be cut back substantially, despite the Deloitte report recommending the 40D be expanded as the busiest of the Finglas routes with lots of unique traffic, and the rest of the 40 group to be cut back.

HydeRoad

It'll be interesting to see if the same proportion of X routes are cut from the south eastern corridor. Watch Tallaght, Ballyfermot, Ballymun and Finglas get clobbered in these cuts, while as strong a presence as possible is maintained along the Stillorgan Road and under the windows of 59. What the eye doesn't see, let the heart fool itself.

dub_commuter

HydeRoad wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see if the same proportion of X routes are cut from the south eastern corridor. Watch Tallaght, Ballyfermot, Ballymun and Finglas get clobbered in these cuts, while as strong a presence as possible is maintained along the Stillorgan Road and under the windows of 59. What the eye doesn't see, let the heart fool itself.

Going along the 46a route recently it was shocking to see all the shelters here, almost every stop had one no matter how minor, which was a stark contrast to much of the rest of the network where we're lucky if we got more than a pole with a Dublin Bus logo on it, let alone details of which routes stop there and a timetable.

There always has been a south-side tendancy with DB. Thats just the way it has been. Obviously there is going to be some cuts there as well, I won't deny that but it always seems to be how shall we put it, the better off south side areas that tends to get the best service.

KC61

HydeRoad wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see if the same proportion of X routes are cut from the south eastern corridor. Watch Tallaght, Ballyfermot, Ballymun and Finglas get clobbered in these cuts, while as strong a presence as possible is maintained along the Stillorgan Road and under the windows of 59. What the eye doesn't see, let the heart fool itself.

Tbh Hyde Road, the 46X and 84X are the only ones left there as the 58X is already gone. The 84X is destined to lose two departures from Newtownmountkennedy and I'd be surprised if the 46X survives.

The Tallaght Xpressos (again with the exception of the 49X) never offered much of an advantage over the regular bus service, unlike other areas, as they had very little priority en route and the length of express operation fairly limited.

The evening services were timed far too early to gain patronage due to the 12 hour ruling with the EURO duties. It would have made far more sense to integrate these duties with the regular service rather than having the same driver do the morning and evening Xpresso. In other words the Xpresso driver in the morning would do a regular service in the evening and the evening Xpresso would be driven by a driver who had done a later regular service in the morning to facilitate realistic evening departures that might get customers.

Having buses leave the city centre at 1640, 1645 and 1650 and none any later is madness.

Victor

HydeRoad wrote: »

under the windows of 59.

No. 59 Upper O'Connell Street is going.

dub_commuter wrote: »

Going along the 46a route recently it was shocking to see all the shelters here, almost every stop had one no matter how minor, which was a stark contrast to much of the rest of the network where we're lucky if we got more than a pole with a Dublin Bus logo on it, let alone details of which routes stop there and a timetable.

The advertising companies want the advertising space. There is also road space available here, that might not be available in other palces.

There always has been a south-side tendancy with DB. Thats just the way it has been. Obviously there is going to be some cuts there as well, I won't deny that but it always seems to be how shall we put it, the better off south side areas that tends to get the best service.

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SteM

The thread title had me worried as we would be fairly reliant on the 77. Never used the 77x though so I don't know if this will have a big impact.

I'm sure the 77 route will be hit hard in the coming months though. DB must be delighted to have a reason to pull their drivers from Jobstown where little ****s seem to be throwing rocks at busses constantly these days.

spareman

SteM wrote: »

The thread title had me worried as we would be fairly reliant on the 77. Never used the 77x though so I don't know if this will have a big impact.

I'm sure the 77 route will be hit hard in the coming months though. DB must be delighted to have a reason to pull their drivers from Jobstown where little ****s seem to be throwing rocks at busses constantly these days.

There must be some cuts on the 77/77A because I know of at least 1 driver being taken of the route.

Victor

SteM wrote: »

I'm sure the 77 route will be hit hard in the coming months though. DB must be delighted to have a reason to pull their drivers from Jobstown where little ****s seem to be throwing rocks at busses constantly these days.

I'm not sure, but I don't think any buses are operating through Jobstown at the moment - lots are terminating at the Jobstown Inn.

SteM

Victor wrote: »

I'm not sure, but I don't think any buses are operating through Jobstown at the moment - lots are terminating at the Jobstown Inn.

They seem to be on and off depending on the driver. I definitely saw 2 coming in this morning but the one my missus was on on Friday evening went down by the Jobstown Inn.

AlekSmart

No. 59 Upper O'Connell Street is going.

Well Victor,that may be just a TINY bit premature,what has happened is that Dublin Bus have done a canny deal with the developers of new O Connell St whetever it is which saw them sign over 59 in return for retail and office space in the new Quarter.

As for the Stillorgan Road QBC,the proposals there are something like this:

46A/B New Schedule,supported by 13 Universal (Peak) Duties Mon - Fri

46C Canncelled

46D Cancelled,with some mention of a shuttle "Type" service from Foxrock Village,Brighton Rd,Cornelscourt Hill to the N11 returning via Westmininter Rd.

46E One trip to operate ex Blackrock Station at 07.55. No evening trip.

46X Cancelled

47 Minor adjustment to serve Kilternan in PM Peak on 2 Journeys also journey to cover current 115 (Schools) to Ballyogan.

111 Cancelled

114 Alterations Mon-Sat Departing Belarmine diverting to serve Belarmine then returning to currrent route.

116 1 Departure morning and evening.Whitechurch-Parnell Sq AM. Burlington Rd-Whitechurch PM.

117 Cancelled

118 1 AM departure. 2 PM journeys to be covered by route 47 diversion left at Stepaside Cross to Kilternan and returning to Belarmine.

746 Standalone Schedule (?) with current timing.

84X 0710 ex Newtonmountkennedy cancelled 1120 Ex Kilcoole Cancelled 1300 ex City Centre cancelled.

and just to fininsh on a high note..

161 Peak service only Mon-Fri


Thats about it,the other main aspect to remember is that the 63,84 and 145 have,as yet no alterations to their schedules.

The folks of Belarmine/Kilternan will sure need to be sharp on their toes to ascertain which of their services will be direct and which will take the scenic route so traditionally beloved of CIE schedulers since the days of Steam.

It might also be worth while for passengers to keep an eye on the rapidly collapsing stretch of the Outbound QBC from Donnybrook Church to Belfield Flyover,the extent of the tramline type depressions now make for a somewhat hairy steering experience,but it`s not an issue until there`s a fatality.

dub_commuter

Alek - do you know when they will be publishing whats happening in Harristown and Phibsborough? I am being given conflicting information and it's putting me in between a rock and a hard place

AlekSmart

Alek - do you know when they will be publishing whats happening in Harristown and Phibsborough?

Sadly the answer is no.
Those familiar with how Dublin Bus works in times like this will know that the individual garages go into lock-down mode with no information being shared between either Management or Staff.

Therefore one can easily see the chaoitic situation prevailing on Monday morning as customers become slowly aware that there are cumulative cutbacks involving several different Garages which will in some cases impact greatly on the OVERALL level of service on shared stretches of routes.

loyatemu

AlekSmart wrote: »

Thats about it,the other main aspect to remember is that the 63,84 and 145 have,as yet no alterations to their schedules.

going slightly off topic here - I've long felt the 84 is a somewhat pointless route. It provides a poor service to Kilcoole and duplicates the 145 from Bray in - it also spends a very long time laying over at Bray station en route.

Surely it would make sense to truncate it to a more frequent Bray-Kilcoole local service - customers\masochists who really want to go all the way into town on the bus can change to the more frequent and direct 145 (or 84X).

Heart

Interesting stuff from Donnybrook... anything on the 14/a/48a or the 44's?

H

AlekSmart

There are 4 Buses and approximately 10 drivers coming off the 14/48A with a rework of the current schedule.
The 44 is losing 4 Buses and at least 6 drivers.44B Will operate only Glencullen to Dundrum only and ALL 44 Duties will operate via Ballyogan both directions.

I think now that the flesh is appearing on the skeleton of these Survival Plans people are beginning to question nice Ms Nic Fheàrta`s assurances that disruptions will be limited to an extra 2 minutes on Corridor routes

hunter164

Any news on 20B?

Heart

Thanks Alek.

H

spareman

In addition to the 111 being canceled, Isn't there 3 buses coming off the 7 route Alek? :eek:

AlekSmart

Yes there are spareman,sorry but the OP was on about the N11 QBC and it developed from that...but the reality is that there is NO hiding place from this "survival" plan....unless you Buy a wee Car .....and satisfy the Minister for Transport`s inner desires

Victor

Can we keep all speculation to one thread - I nominate this one: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055497051