McMenamin Handed 6 week ban

Mr. Incognito

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0223/mcmenamin_tyrone.html

About right I reckon- grabbing a chap in the nuts is no joke.

Proper deterrent- be interested to see if Tyrone will appeal

Poor_old_gill

A 1 match championship ban should be a part of every ban also as missing 1 or 2 league games wont really hurt him or his team that much

Orizio

Deserves it. I would rather not say anything about what I think of McMenamin and his 'personality', might get banned...;)

Poor_old_gill

Orizio wrote: »

Deserves it. I would rather not say anything about what I think of McMenamin and his 'personality', might get banned...;)

That makes 2 of us

homerjay2005

hate the lad with a passion. about time some decision was given against them, though no doubt they will appeal.


and woopeeeeeeee, something goes in favour of kerry for once :D:D

jack back, darragh staying on, galvin back, aidan no ban, tadhg back, 2 wins from 2. not a bad year at all in kerry so far!

Yavvy

Dont Mind people giving personal opinions about McMenamin ... but if you dont think you can express that opinion without personally abusing the guy then you shouldnt !

I have a great deal of respect for him ..every team needs a hard man but some of his actions are unacceptable. I think he will have to accept the "live by the sword.." mentality because I doubt he will ever change.

blackbelt

Absolutely delighted with this suspension.It shows that shenanigans and dirty antics won't go unpunished.It was not as if he shouldered somebody one second late or anything.It serves him right.I'm all up for reasonably aggressive play and standing your ground but there is no respect or dignity in spitting at somebody or grabbing somebodies crotch...even if it is Paul Galvin,a player who I don't particularly have too much time for either.

Collectively,I respect Tyrone as a team and have admiration for their accomplishments but McMenamin is the rotten apple of the bunch.I've seen him get away with so much down through the years and his general unsportsmanlike behaviour shows this.My hunch is that he tried to wind up Galvin or O Se and didn't get the desired response so resorted to foul tactics.

Against Dublin in August,he had the audacity to raise and shake his arms in the air at the Hill after scoring a point when he could have gone for a goal.He p1ssed off the same crowd that had been applauding the likes of Dooher and Cavanagh.Anyway,before I go off on a tangent,it was deserved.

Browney7

Deserves it alright. The spitting incident was absolutely disgusting and if he has the audacity to appeal the GAA should double the suspension if you ask me.

Still though you would want him on your team at the same time.
Hopefully he accepts his punishment and moves on.

mumhaabu

6 weeks for grapping Paul Galvin by the testicles, grabbing and spitting into Marc O'Sé's face and almost flattening Colm Cooper with an off the ball shoulder resembling something out of WWF.

Don't get me wrong I am delighted he got suspended but it should affect his championship. 6 weeks for this carryon when Paul Galvin got 6 months for hitting a referees notebook when he was booked wrongly after getting pulled to the ground by a clare player.

There is no consistency in the GAA and McMenamin should have got at least 3 months ban like Paul Galvin got after the Kerry Co. Board spent nearly quarter of a million euro on legal fees.

Paul Galvin was the real winner and the way handled it, Kerry march on while McMenamin is on the sidelines.

cruiserweight

Tyrone have decided to appeal what they consider his severe suspension

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0223/mcmenamin_tyrone.html

The Tyrone County Board will appeal the six-week ban handed down to All Star defender Ryan McMenamin by the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee today.

County PRO Damien Harvey confirmed that the 'severity' of the suspension, and not the ban itself, will be appealed.

Harvey said he expects a hearing to be held in the very near future.

The CCCC has recommended the suspension as a result of an incident in which McMenamin appeared to grab Paul Galvin in the groin area during the National League game between Tyrone and Kerry on Sunday 15 February.

While referee Jimmy White took no on-pitch action on 15 February as he missed the incident, the Central Competitions Control Committee studied video evidence before handing down the lengthy ban.

If the suspension is imposed, the Dromore man will miss four league games against Galway, Westmeath, Donegal and Derry.

Mullet

Alany wrote: »

I have a great deal of respect for him ..every team needs a hard man but some of his actions are unacceptable. I think he will have to accept the "live by the sword.." mentality because I doubt he will ever change.

Theres plenty of honest hard men playing the game but he is in a league on his own with his behaviour. He is a great role model for our game:mad: oh Tyrone are appealing surprise surprise:(

keane2097

I like MacMenamin as a player - think he's ****ing great tbh.

But history shows there's hassle in Omagh more than there is I'd say in almost any other ground in the country and the same fella is practically always right in the centre of it. Action does need to be taken against him as he does seem to get away with an awful lot. There was a big forore a few years ago about players goading the opposition when they made a mistake and by and large players have stopped doing it - MacMenamin unfortunately still seems to do it constantly but nobody seems to call him out on it the way they did when for example Kieran Donaghy goaded Francie Bellew and the Armagh goalie in the AI QF a couple of years ago.

Also, 6 months for slapping the ref's notebook versus 6 weeks for grabbing another player by the balls? I'm not saying either offense is worse than the other, but surely slapping the re'f notebook can't be that much worse of an offense?

3 months for raping an opposing player I suppose...

tethad

tbh I would have agreed 6 wiks was lenient rather than harsh.

news for you

mumhaabu wrote: »

6 weeks for grapping Paul Galvin by the testicles, grabbing and spitting into Marc O'Sé's face and almost flattening Colm Cooper with an off the ball shoulder resembling something out of WWF.

Don't get me wrong I am delighted he got suspended but it should affect his championship. 6 weeks for this carryon when Paul Galvin got 6 months for hitting a referees notebook when he was booked wrongly after getting pulled to the ground by a clare player.

There is no consistency in the GAA and McMenamin should have got at least 3 months ban like Paul Galvin got after the Kerry Co. Board spent nearly quarter of a million euro on legal fees.

Paul Galvin was the real winner and the way handled it, Kerry march on while McMenamin is on the sidelines.

Oh for crying out loud, he didn't spit at Marc O'Se (he said so himself). Plus the tackle on Cooper was ultimately harmless enough: an off-the-ball shoulder that was unnecessary and warranted a booking by virtue of being off-the-ball.

Oh and I don't think McMenamin scored against Dublin, Blackbelt, but i may be wrong.

keane2097

news for you wrote: »

Oh for crying out loud, he didn't spit at Marc O'Se (he said so himself). Plus the tackle on Cooper was ultimately harmless enough: an off-the-ball shoulder that was unnecessary and warranted a booking by virtue of being off-the-ball.

Oh and I don't think McMenamin scored against Dublin, Blackbelt, but i may be wrong.

So you wouldn't agree that he's the protagonist in more unsavoury incidents than most GAA players?

I don't know what your point is with what I've bolded. The spitting incident you can't be sure of either way since nobody knows for sure whether he meant it or not besides the man himself.

As for the off-the-ball challenge... I don't even know if you're saying you think he should have gotten away with it or not...

You haven't even mentioned to ball-grabbing...

news for you

keane2097 wrote: »

So you wouldn't agree that he's the protagonist in more unsavoury incidents than most GAA players?

I don't know what your point is with what I've bolded. The spitting incident you can't be sure of either way since nobody knows for sure whether he meant it or not besides the man himself.

As for the off-the-ball challenge... I don't even know if you're saying you think he should have gotten away with it or not...

You haven't even mentioned to ball-grabbing...

Erm my point is that there was a claim made about spitting which isn't true - if it happened, or even if it APPEARED like it happened, the furore would've been greater. There's no "whether he meant it" about it, it just didn't happen. O'Se wasn't spat at, and there was no spitting. Slobbering doesn't equate to spitting, and no saliva or whatever even came near O'Se, ok? Furthermore the incident with Cooper was compared to something from the WWF (which is silly), and i made it clear that it was worth a yellow-card - did you miss this bit? Recent posts from mumhaabu indicated that he hates Tyrone , so maybe i wouldn't be so quick to rebuke if a non-biased poster made certain allegations - furthermore i'm pretty sure mumhaabu knows he didn't spit, but the point is that people who don't know much about what happened will believe that there was an incident that involved "spitting into Marc O'Sé's face. I condemn what happened to Galvin but i had no relevant point to make as regards that. I condemn everything that he did wrong but some of the stuff written about it in general has been a bit extreme.

Oh, and what in God's name was this about:

"So you wouldn't agree that he's the protagonist in more unsavoury incidents than most GAA players?"

Don't put words in my mouth, please. And it's illuminating that you found more issue with my post than one that alleged that Ryan McMenamin spat in Marc O'Se's face.

keane2097

news for you wrote: »

"So you wouldn't agree that he's the protagonist in more unsavoury incidents than most GAA players?"

Don't put words in my mouth, please.

I don't think you understand the phrase you've used sir.

news for you

Firstly, my point remains, and secondly, you seemed to have ignored everything else i'd written.

GAAman

Do we not already know the inevitable outcome of this?

As soon as i read in the paper about the ban i knew it would be appealed and probably overturned like we have had before

few weeks and the appeal will rescind the ban :rolleyes:

manster

CCCC gives out a ban and a player appeals. Nothing new here :rolleyes:

Was in Omagh supporting Kerry that day and to tell you the truth I thought Galvin dived so did most of the crowd and the referee. The ref did have a bad game. The ref was under a lot of 'home' pressure and giving 3 Kerry players yellow cards evened it up a bit. By the way, having a Donegal ref wasn't the most astute decision either by the GAA.

Anyway back to the topic. CCCC I believe have got this one wrong. In other similar incidents of this nature players have received a 4 week ban. In my mind the CCCC looked at the fixtures, saw that RM would miss only one game and then decided to increase the suspension to six weeks thereby RM misses 4 games instead of 1.

Do I like RM no, is this proper justice no. Why the latter? well the GAA law is an ass and until the GAA introduce "match" suspensions rather than "time" suspensions we will continue on this merry go round of poor justice, players appealing and fodder for the media.

The_Kew_Tour

manster wrote: »

CCCC gives out a ban and a player appeals. Nothing new here :rolleyes:

Was in Omagh supporting Kerry that day and to tell you the truth I thought Galvin dived so did most of the crowd and the referee. The ref did have a bad game. The ref was under a lot of 'home' pressure and giving 3 Kerry players yellow cards evened it up a bit. By the way, having a Donegal ref wasn't the most astute decision either by the GAA.

Anyway back to the topic. CCCC I believe have got this one wrong. In other similar incidents of this nature players have received a 4 week ban. In my mind the CCCC looked at the fixtures, saw that RM would miss only one game and then decided to increase the suspension to six weeks thereby RM misses 4 games instead of 1.

Do I like RM no, is this proper justice no. Why the latter? well the GAA law is an ass and until the GAA introduce "match" suspensions rather than "time" suspensions we will continue on this merry go round of poor justice, players appealing and fodder for the media.

you got this spot on..

they have done this for donkeys years they need to punish players with games even championship games and then maybe we see more written about the football then about a player grabbing another players balls

Beached

adrian280582 wrote: »

you got this spot on..

they have done this for donkeys years they need to punish players with games even championship games and then maybe we see more written about the football then about a player grabbing another players balls

As was pointed out it looks like the GAA wanted to give more than a 1 game ban. I cant see the reasons for staying with the time ban system. It causes so many problems

premierstone

Beached wrote: »

As was pointed out it looks like the GAA wanted to give more than a 1 game ban. I cant see the reasons for staying with the time ban system. It causes so many problems

You cant adopt a game based suspension system because not all teams play the same amount of games for example say Paul Galvin had have been given a 3 game championship ban last year he would have been back for the AI series (QF i think) but if a player from Clare in the same game had have done something similar and was given a three game suspension he could effectively miss three years intercounty championship action.

What does need to happen is a single committee needs to be established to deal with all disiplinary matters and any player can attent the hearing and put their case before them and the committee's decision is final end of none of this appealing to 4 or 5 different committees untill eventually you get the decision in your favour.

Mr. Incognito

You cant adopt a game based suspension system because not all teams play the same amount of games for example say Paul Galvin had have been given a 3 game championship ban last year he would have been back for the AI series (QF i think) but if a player from Clare in the same game had have done something similar and was given a three game suspension he could effectively miss three years intercounty championship action.

I don't buy this argument and what's wrong with a compromise- 3 games or 6 months whichever expires first?

keane2097

news for you wrote: »

Erm my point is that there was a claim made about spitting which isn't true - if it happened, or even if it APPEARED like it happened, the furore would've been greater. There's no "whether he meant it" about it, it just didn't happen. O'Se wasn't spat at, and there was no spitting. Slobbering doesn't equate to spitting, and no saliva or whatever even came near O'Se, ok?

That's fine - if the incident didn't happen it didn't happen so I take back what I said about it.

Furthermore the incident with Cooper was compared to something from the WWF (which is silly), and i made it clear that it was worth a yellow-card - did you miss this bit?

I still don't understand what your point is here? The point I was making is that he was involved in an incident for which he should have been sanctioned by the referee and got away with it. This happens far too much with the player in question - whether it equates to the People's Elbow or not I don't really give a shít eitehr way about.

Recent posts from mumhaabu indicated that he hates Tyrone , so maybe i wouldn't be so quick to rebuke if a non-biased poster made certain allegations - furthermore i'm pretty sure mumhaabu knows he didn't spit, but the point is that people who don't know much about what happened will believe that there was an incident that involved "spitting into Marc O'Sé's face.

Don't know anything about mumhaabu, but to clarify my position I don't hate Tyrone at all. Absolutely love Cavanagh, Dooher, Davey Harte - MacMenamin himself I think is a great bit of stuff as well. As I said, I was unclear on the spitting issue - since it didn't happen I take back anything I said about it.

I condemn what happened to Galvin but i had no relevant point to make as regards that.

Agreed

I condemn everything that he did wrong but some of the stuff written about it in general has been a bit extreme.

I think this is symptomatic of his past behavior. As I said he has been at the heart of more unsavoury incidents in GAA matches on the biggest stage that I have seen than any other player. It's fairly natural imo for people to come out with a bit of vitriol against him, especially when he seems to repeatedly get away with lots of stuff.

Oh, and what in God's name was this about:

"So you wouldn't agree that he's the protagonist in more unsavoury incidents than most GAA players?"

Don't put words in my mouth, please.

In general, asking a person to clarify their thoughts by asking them a question isn't considered to be putting words in their mouths.

And it's illuminating that you found more issue with my post than one that alleged that Ryan McMenamin spat in Marc O'Se's face.

All that illuminates is the fact that I was under the impression an incident had taken place that hadn't.

You might like to respond to this, since the only issues you covered in your posts were that there was no spitting and that Ryan MacMenamin vs Colm Cooper << The Rock vs Stone Cold Steve Austin

keane2097 wrote:

But history shows there's hassle in Omagh more than there is I'd say in almost any other ground in the country and the same fella is practically always right in the centre of it. Action does need to be taken against him as he does seem to get away with an awful lot. There was a big forore a few years ago about players goading the opposition when they made a mistake and by and large players have stopped doing it - MacMenamin unfortunately still seems to do it constantly but nobody seems to call him out on it the way they did when for example Kieran Donaghy goaded Francie Bellew and the Armagh goalie in the AI QF a couple of years ago.

Also, 6 months for slapping the ref's notebook versus 6 weeks for grabbing another player by the balls? I'm not saying either offense is worse than the other, but surely slapping the re'f notebook can't be that much worse of an offense?

keane2097

manster wrote: »

CCCC gives out a ban and a player appeals. Nothing new here :rolleyes:

Was in Omagh supporting Kerry that day and to tell you the truth I thought Galvin dived so did most of the crowd and the referee. The ref did have a bad game. The ref was under a lot of 'home' pressure and giving 3 Kerry players yellow cards evened it up a bit. By the way, having a Donegal ref wasn't the most astute decision either by the GAA.

Anyway back to the topic. CCCC I believe have got this one wrong. In other similar incidents of this nature players have received a 4 week ban. In my mind the CCCC looked at the fixtures, saw that RM would miss only one game and then decided to increase the suspension to six weeks thereby RM misses 4 games instead of 1.

Do I like RM no, is this proper justice no. Why the latter? well the GAA law is an ass and until the GAA introduce "match" suspensions rather than "time" suspensions we will continue on this merry go round of poor justice, players appealing and fodder for the media.

Just to clarify, do you think the ban is unjust because it has been extended compared to similar bans simply to have more games fall under it, or do you just think four games is too much for the offense?

manster

keane2097 wrote: »

Just to clarify, do you think the ban is unjust because it has been extended compared to similar bans simply to have more games fall under it

We have to compare apples with apples (or in this case testicles with testicles ). The ban is unjust, let me explain why. If one player gets 4 weeks for an offence then another player who commits the exact same offence should in theory get the same sentence, irrespective of the number of games they miss. This has not happened here and this in my opinion is unjust.

keane2097 wrote: »

or do you just think four games is too much for the offense?

Not at all, what RM did should be categorised as one of the gravest and most serious offences in the GAA rule book. This act transcends football, we are talking about an attempt on a man's natural ability to reproduce life. Have I ever seen something anything more serious on a playing field -NO.

taidghbaby

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I don't buy this argument and what's wrong with a compromise- 3 games or 6 months whichever expires first?

or just carry games over to the following season!

keane2097

manster wrote: »

We have to compare apples with apples (or in this case testicles with testicles ). The ban is unjust, let me explain why. If one player gets 4 weeks for an offence then another player who commits the exact same offence should in theory get the same sentence, irrespective of the number of games they miss. This has not happened here and this in my opinion is unjust.

Not at all, what RM did should be categorised as one of the gravest and most serious offences in the GAA rule book. This act transcends football, we are talking about an attempt on a man's natural ability to reproduce life. Have I ever seen something anything more serious on a playing field -NO.

That's what I thought you were saying alright - thanks for explaining.

I can see your point about the sentence needing to be the same in absolute time terms, but I think there's also some merit to the sort of common sense approach taken here where clearly a 6 week ban is not equivalent to a 6 week ban at another time of year.

You can argue it either way really...

Marse

I'm no fan of this lad, but a 6 week ban is long enough for this offence. It’s no secret that this lad spends most matches verbally and physically harassing his opponents. But he should only be prosecuted for incidents reported by the ref or witness by the CCCC. Not by a public trial.

barney72

Just been increased to 8 weeks, so Central Appeals Committee it is no doubt

Mr. Incognito

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0227/mcmenaminr.html

and a two grand fine for the county board.

Prbably the way to go really- I mean he was caught on camera red handed- pardon the pun. What the hell did he think was going to happen?

keane2097

Can you get a ban based on more than one separate incident in the one game? Like if you got away with a few things in the course of an afternoon...

hill16dub

harte is appealing

he must be nuts!

it must common practice on the tyrone team if Harte thinks its worth an appeal

ricey - such a nice guy:eek:

GAAman

hill16dub wrote: »

he must be nuts!

Never thought i would say this to a Dub, but get out!

K-9

God to see them increasing a ban that should never have been appealed.

Now, if they'll just stick to a decision for a change.

citybhoy

Deserves the extra two games for appealing. Even Tyrone fans who would have backed him before are getting fed up with his behaviour.

Bored-Stupid

Agreed!

Ciaran Mc Keever does the same craic with my beloved Armagh! Brings Armagh and Ulster football down as does Ricie for Tyrone! Gives Pat Spillane and the boys more ammunition to use on their Puke football theory!

noddyod

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0223/mcmenamin_tyrone.html

About right I reckon- grabbing a chap in the nuts is no joke.

Proper deterrent- be interested to see if Tyrone will appeal

Can you ban me please

Yavvy

noddyod wrote: »

can you ban me please

Banned for a week - Trolling and abuse

premierstone

Alany wrote: »

Banned for a week - Trolling and abuse

If he appeals are you likely to increase it to 8 weeks?

Stupido

sorry lads...Hand-ball is a red card offence!!!

:D:D:D:D:D

keane2097

To be honest I think the post that got noddyod banned should be deleted - it's odious in the extreme...

Marse

Ironic that ban!!