Where do you get your bankroll?

SilentAssassin

Hi guys,

I was just wondering where people typically get their poker bankroll from? I play a bit here and there. Online $20 sng's maybe some 50c/25c cash games. Live I play 30-50euro freezeouts. Nothing to break the bank but it's not like I can throw money away! I know some people play some medium-high stakes games. I was just wondering typically how do people finance this? I'd imagine your typical joe soap on 25-30k a year couldnt afford to invest too much in poker. Do you save up? Is it from one major win? Bank loan? Or are you just rich?

Cheers

Lurker1977

JP gave me mine, I think he might want it back tho

aya14

sold my body to science all their tests came back negative, true story!

Chucky the tree

Play, porift, move up. Ez game.

SilentAssassin

Knew you jokers wouldn't give a serious answer

Rekop dog

manys of ways my friend. Some people grind they're way from the smallest blind levels, others deposit wages,grants or any sort of money they get, and others are stupidly rich.

HoLLLLLaments

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Play, porift, move up, more porift. Ez game.

[x]porift

Ste05

SilentAssassin wrote: »

Knew you jokers wouldn't give a serious answer

The serious answer is people work their way up, they don't just start out with a BR of several thousand, some people do win money you know, as they win money at 50NL, then they move up to 100NL, then onto 200NL and on and on and on until they make 100,000NL, not many people here are saving up money to throw down the drain playing $25/$50 you know...

What did you honestly think happened?? People work for 2 or 3 years or 30k, save up 10k over this time and then immediately jump into huge on-line Poker games???

cooker3

Donks gave it to me

SilentAssassin

Ste05 wrote: »

The serious answer is people work their way up, they don't just start out with a BR of several thousand, some people do win money you know, as they win money at 50NL, then they move up to 100NL, then onto 200NL and on and on and on until they make 100,000NL, not many people here are saving up money to throw down the drain playing $25/$50 you know...

What did you honestly think happened?? People work for 2 or 3 years or 30k, save up 10k over this time and then immediately jump into huge on-line Poker games???

I know what I and my poker buddies do. I was just wondering overall what the majority of people do. You hear some people taking massive swings (downward) and I was just wondering how that works for them financially. I can't imagine that everyone who plays $5/$10 cash games now worked their way up from 1c/2c.

Conbro

Lots of people got rolled by me over the last year

Ste05

SilentAssassin wrote: »

I know what I and my poker buddies do. I was just wondering overall what the majority of people do. You hear some people taking massive swings (downward) and I was just wondering how that works for them financially. I can't imagine that everyone who plays $5/$10 cash games now worked their way up from 1c/2c.

Obviously not, but why not .25/.50?? or .50/1, etc.

There'll be the odd few people who jumped straight into 3/6 and ran well or some donk who luckboxed their way to a big tournament win, and then learned how to play and kept going, but the huge majority of people just grinded themselves up through the levels (this relates to the winning players, and even losing players at a certain level, could easily have won their money from a lower level, etc. etc.).

Apart from the fish and the gambling degenerates, this is where everyone that plays Poker gets their money from. Moving up and down levels...

SilentAssassin

Here's one for ya....

What do you think is a good starting bankroll and stakes for cash games and sit and go's. So if I were starting out in $10 sng's what bankroll? And for .25/.50 what bankroll?

Also what do you think is a good level to start at for someone who's not a complete beginner, i.e. knows the rules, has a year or so experience, no great success but not a fish either

Ste05

SilentAssassin wrote: »

Here's one for ya....

What do you think is a good starting bankroll and stakes for cash games and sit and go's. So if I were starting out in $10 sng's what bankroll? And for .25/.50 what bankroll?

Also what do you think is a good level to start at for someone who's not a complete beginner, i.e. knows the rules, has a year or so experience, no great success but not a fish either

Not certain about SNG's but I'd imagine if you had 30 or 40 buy-ins you'd probably be grand, so around $300 - $500 for $10 SNG's, it would depend on how good you were though, just be willing to either top it up or drop down if you lose half or more.

For cash games, again it depends on your level, but generally again 30-50 Buy-Ins is recommended. so for 50NL, you'd need from $1,500 to $2,500 (for 6 max games).

But your thinking about it the wrong way, think about how much you're willing to risk and then find games to suit your BR. So if you have a job and are willing to invest money every week/month, you could tailor your levels to your money and start low and move up slightly quicker as you suppliment your BR with deposits, if you only have a certain sum to invest, divide it by 50 and that's the sort of games you should be playing. It matters more how much money you have in your BR than the skill level you are at. If Phil Ivey only had $1,000 to his name, he'd almost definitely lose it all at 1/2 (even though he's miles ahead of every single player at that level), but could easily build it up quickly by playing loads of lower levels and moving up as his BR allowed.

thedini

if you are a fish then you need an infinite roll end of.

robinblinds

SilentAssassin wrote: »

I was just wondering overall what the majority of people do.

Lose money. Or win, then back horses with it.

mdwexford

cooker3

thedini wrote: »

if you are a fish then you need an infinite roll end of.

fish is a very relative term

thedini

cooker3 wrote: »

fish is a very relative term

explain?

hotspur

Many of us started when you could beat mistakes by simply not being retarded.

cuterob

i won the lotto..been pretty much balla since then..i put it down to skill obv

nicnicnic

there are unconfirmed rumours that some posters here got there bankrolls as rentboys

cuterob

nicnicnic wrote: »

there are unconfirmed rumours that some posters here got theres bankrolls as rentboys

confirmed.. though it's prob best not to name or shame anyone

cooker3

thedini wrote: »

explain?

It doesn't matter how "good" or "bad" you are. It's about how everyone else in relation to you
Just because someone can beat Fitz 1/2pl game. It doesn't mean they can beat 200nl online and on so.

stevire

cooker3 wrote: »

It doesn't matter how "good" or "bad" you are. It's about how everyone else in relation to you
Just because someone can beat Fitz 1/2pl game. It doesn't mean they can beat 200nl online and on so.

Why not?? Very vague statement with very little substance!!

There is just as many donks at 200nl online if not more than the fitz.
If you can beat the Fitz week in week out, no reason why that success can't be repeated online.

You trying to say that the poker player that beats 200nl online is of much higher quality of a player than a person that beats 1/2pl in the Fitz?

I think a good player can be defined by consistency and the levels in which the consistency exist, it's probably the only way of defining a "good" player. Irrelevant of the opposition, as every hour or so opposition changes and its up to the player to adjust accordingly.

In regards to the OP post, most bankrolls that I have seen come from low buyin tournaments winnings online/offline. I never saw a bankroll coming from grinding a cash game below 25c/50c (not to say it doesn't happen)

cooker3

stevire wrote: »

Why not?? Very vague statement with very little substance!!

There is just as many donks at 200nl online if not more than the fitz.
If you can beat the Fitz week in week out, no reason why that success can't be repeated online.

You trying to say that the poker player that beats 200nl online is of much higher quality of a player than a person that beats 1/2pl in the Fitz?

I think a good player can be defined by consistency and the levels in which the consistency exist, it's probably the only way of defining a "good" player. Irrelevant of the opposition, as every hour or so opposition changes and its up to the player to adjust accordingly.

In regards to the OP post, most bankrolls that I have seen come from low buyin tournaments winnings online/offline. I never saw a bankroll coming from grinding a cash game below 25c/50c (not to say it doesn't happen)

I picked a random example of the top of my head.
The point is poker is all relative and so are fishes. If you ask Durr then every single person on this forum is a fish. You ask me, the majority of people are bad. You ask Eddie the eagle......well you get the idea.

zuutroy

stevire wrote: »

You trying to say that the poker player that beats 200nl online is of much higher quality of a player than a person that beats 1/2pl in the Fitz?

and its not close.

OilBeefHooked2

SilentAssassin wrote: »

Hi guys,

I was just wondering where people typically get their poker bankroll from? I play a bit here and there. Online $20 sng's maybe some 50c/25c cash games. Live I play 30-50euro freezeouts. Nothing to break the bank but it's not like I can throw money away! I know some people play some medium-high stakes games. I was just wondering typically how do people finance this? I'd imagine your typical joe soap on 25-30k a year couldnt afford to invest too much in poker. Do you save up? Is it from one major win? Bank loan? Or are you just rich?

Cheers

You can buy them in Penny's for 2.99

Slash/ED

stevire wrote: »

W
You trying to say that the poker player that beats 200nl online is of much higher quality of a player than a person that beats 1/2pl in the Fitz?

In the same way you'd say someone who won the world cup is probably of a higher standard than someone who's winning leagues in his local sunday league team, yes.

I'd rate someone beating 20nl higher than someone beating 200pl live tbh

Moneymaker

Bankroll?

Hank Scorpio

start at 25 nl and work your way up
25 nl can actually quiet profitable if you play tag and your deep!

iv just moved up to 100 nl after a badish few months playing 25 and 50 nl

SilentAssassin

Bankroll management is very important too. In my first year I was probably equally good (or bad) at both online and live. I made about 2k profit live, but lost 1k online. I went about my online bankroll management completely the wrong way. Was waiting til I would hit X hundred euro profit before I would cash money out. Should have been cashing out smaller amounts here and there. 20's, 50's,etc. Wish I had known what I know now!!

dK1NG

SilentAssassin wrote: »

I went about my online bankroll management completely the wrong way. Was waiting til I would hit X hundred euro profit before I would cash money out. Should have been cashing out smaller amounts here and there. 20's, 50's,etc. Wish I had known what I know now!!

You can cash outmoney online?! :eek:


Just my 2c on this - you're not likely to build up a BR if you're taking out 20s, 50s, etc here and there. Best to treat your online roll as completely separate and try build from there. Much easier, and faster, to go through hte levels that way, than if you were withdrawing on a regular basis.

SilentAssassin

dK1NG wrote: »

You can cash outmoney online?! :eek:


Just my 2c on this - you're not likely to build up a BR if you're taking out 20s, 50s, etc here and there. Best to treat your online roll as completely separate and try build from there. Much easier, and faster, to go through hte levels that way, than if you were withdrawing on a regular basis.

Yeah I meant in regards to my own game. I kind of stick to the $10 or $20 SNGs and .25c/.50c cash.

But your point is correct

SpencerJames

You seem to have the completly wrong idea of things.

Asking where do people get their bankrolls is a pretty silly question. Winning players win and thus increase their roll, Losing players lose so have to get their roll from other sources, eg. working or loans.

Most people on here DON'T have a poker bankroll in the purest form. Most are recreational or semi-serious players that just deposit money onto a site as the need it or want to play. They take out a 100 here or there from their account if the feel like they want to play a tourney in the fitz or SE. If they win then they might treat themselves, their girlfriends to something nice. If they lose then its no big deal.
Most players on here work and have normal lives they dont concern themselves with grinding up a roll from .25c .50c. Basically, They play for fun. Simple.

Now, if you want to make money at poker on a regular basis and build your roll to the point where you are playing 50/100 plo online and playing all the EPT's, then the first thing you need to do is change the way you are thinking bout the game and bankroll.

You can't be thinking bout taking out 20's and 50's out of your online account! seriosly WTF?! you work through the levels, sign away your social life, break up with your girlfriend. Sit in front of your laptop 7 hours a day and grind, grind, grind.

You may never achieve a decent bankroll, you may hate poker, you may commit suicide.

You sound like you are a recreational player that would like to be able to have an extra 100 or so a month from your poker play. If thats the case, dont worry bout it too much, play as you want, if you are working and can invest 200 a month then play within that, but dont kill yourself with 30+ buyins, it just wont be fun. If you lose the 200 then its no big deal.

Might be a bit rambly but basically just chill out a bit and just play and have a laugh if your not on a rush to be playing Phil Ivey heads up at 1200/3600.

SilentAssassin

SpencerJames wrote: »

You seem to have the completly wrong idea of things.

Asking where do people get their bankrolls is a pretty silly question. Winning players win and thus increase their roll, Losing players lose so have to get their roll from other sources, eg. working or loans.

Most people on here DON'T have a poker bankroll in the purest form. Most are recreational or semi-serious players that just deposit money onto a site as the need it or want to play. They take out a 100 here or there from their account if the feel like they want to play a tourney in the fitz or SE. If they win then they might treat themselves, their girlfriends to something nice. If they lose then its no big deal.
Most players on here work and have normal lives they dont concern themselves with grinding up a roll from .25c .50c. Basically, They play for fun. Simple.

Now, if you want to make money at poker on a regular basis and build your roll to the point where you are playing 50/100 plo online and playing all the EPT's, then the first thing you need to do is change the way you are thinking bout the game and bankroll.

You can't be thinking bout taking out 20's and 50's out of your online account! seriosly WTF?! you work through the levels, sign away your social life, break up with your girlfriend. Sit in front of your laptop 7 hours a day and grind, grind, grind.

You may never achieve a decent bankroll, you may hate poker, you may commit suicide.

You sound like you are a recreational player that would like to be able to have an extra 100 or so a month from your poker play. If thats the case, dont worry bout it too much, play as you want, if you are working and can invest 200 a month then play within that, but dont kill yourself with 30+ buyins, it just wont be fun. If you lose the 200 then its no big deal.

Might be a bit rambly but basically just chill out a bit and just play and have a laugh if your not on a rush to be playing Phil Ivey heads up at 1200/3600.

I think YOU have completely the wrong idea of things. Read my original post:

SilentAssassin wrote: »

Hi guys,

I was just wondering where people typically get their poker bankroll from? I play a bit here and there. Online $20 sng's maybe some 50c/25c cash games. Live I play 30-50euro freezeouts. Nothing to break the bank but it's not like I can throw money away! I know some people play some medium-high stakes games. I was just wondering typically how do people finance this? I'd imagine your typical joe soap on 25-30k a year couldnt afford to invest too much in poker. Do you save up? Is it from one major win? Bank loan? Or are you just rich?

Cheers

I wasn't asking for YOUR pearls of wisdom on poker. I was asking members individually how do they finance their poker. e.g.
User A might say: "I've been playing about 3 years. Started out with $100 in my account playing .10/.20 and grinded my way up from there".
User B might say: "I won a big tourny in the fitz one time, about 2k, re-invested that as my poker bankroll".
User C might say: "Don't really like going out and stuff so pour all the spare wages I have into poker".

Now, if you want to make money at poker on a regular basis and build your roll to the point where you are playing 50/100 plo online and playing all the EPT's, then the first thing you need to do is change the way you are thinking bout the game and bankroll.

You can't be thinking bout taking out 20's and 50's out of your online account! seriosly WTF?! you work through the levels, sign away your social life, break up with your girlfriend. Sit in front of your laptop 7 hours a day and grind, grind, grind.

As I said before, I don't play at the high levels and can't exactly throw away money so I cash out the odd 20 and 50 here and there incase I tilt it away.

KevIRL

SilentAssassin wrote: »

I think YOU have completely the wrong idea of things. Read my original post:



I wasn't asking for YOUR pearls of wisdom on poker. I was asking members individually how do they finance their poker. e.g.
User A might say: "I've been playing about 3 years. Started out with $100 in my account playing .10/.20 and grinded my way up from there".
User B might say: "I won a big tourny in the fitz one time, about 2k, re-invested that as my poker bankroll".
User C might say: "Don't really like going out and stuff so pour all the spare wages I have into poker".



As I said before, I don't play at the high levels and can't exactly throw away money so I cash out the odd 20 and 50 here and there incase I tilt it away.

Thats a nice way to reply to someone who was trying to be genuinely helpful and answer your question.

Earlier on you complain about jokers not giving you a serious answer, then you get one and throw it back in SpencerJames' face.

I dont know, I really dont know

SilentAssassin

KevIRL wrote: »

Thats a nice way to reply to someone who was trying to be genuinely helpful and answer your question.

Earlier on you complain about jokers not giving you a serious answer, then you get one and throw it back in SpencerJames' face.

I dont know, I really dont know

He said:

You seem to have the completly wrong idea of things.

Asking where do people get their bankrolls is a pretty silly question. Winning players win and thus increase their roll, Losing players lose so have to get their roll from other sources, eg. working or loans.

I wasn't asking for 'how poker works'. I was looking for the individual stories of how people finance their bankroll. e.g.:

User A might say: "I've been playing about 3 years. Started out with $100 in my account playing .10/.20 and grinded my way up from there".
User B might say: "I won a big tourny in the fitz one time, about 2k, re-invested that as my poker bankroll".
User C might say: "Don't really like going out and stuff so pour all the spare wages I have into poker".

SpencerJames

hey man, you sound like your are clueless here.

Asking how people finance there poker is the most random and open question you could ask. Its vagueness gives no answer any weight.

You answered it yourself, different people have different situations. Its like asking people how they finance there house, some work, some rob, some won the lotto!Thats life!

You start asking bout bankroll management"how many buy ins would I need etc"

I answered both your questions and you attacked me. I answered your opening post!

Basically you have asked nothing of any relevance and dont seem to take the advice you seek.

Maybe you could do a bullet style list of questions you want answered and let us answer them

If you a want to know where I get my bankroll its more than likely from people like you playing scared money with no roll management and warped ideas of the game and its management!

OilBeefHooked2

Now now..lets not tap the aquarium pls.

SilentAssassin

SpencerJames wrote: »

hey man, you sound like your are clueless here.

Asking how people finance there poker is the most random and open question you could ask. Its vagueness gives no answer any weight.

You answered it yourself, different people have different situations. Its like asking people how they finance there house, some work, some rob, some won the lotto!Thats life!

You start asking bout bankroll management"how many buy ins would I need etc"

I answered both your questions and you attacked me. I answered your opening post!

Basically you have asked nothing of any relevance and dont seem to take the advice you seek.

Maybe you could do a bullet style list of questions you want answered and let us answer them

If you a want to know where I get my bankroll its more than likely from people like you playing scared money with no roll management and warped ideas of the game and its management!

Apart from the couple of joke answers at the start, the thread was going fine until you got invloved. I think you'll find you attacked me:

Asking where do people get their bankrolls is a pretty silly question. Winning players win and thus increase their roll, Losing players lose so have to get their roll from other sources, eg. working or loans.

You can't be thinking bout taking out 20's and 50's out of your online account! seriosly WTF?!

'Where do you get your bankroll?' is not a vague question. It's probably one of the most straight forward questions you can get. It's not like asking: 'how should I play jacks?'. When there are so many factors to consider, e.g. position etc.

Question: 'Where do you get your bankroll?'
Possible Answer: 'I won a big field freezeout in the Fitz for two grand and decided to keep that aside as my poker roll'

robinblinds

SilentAssassin wrote: »

He said:



I wasn't asking for 'how poker works'. I was looking for the individual stories of how people finance their bankroll. e.g.:

You asked "in general".

SpencerJames gave you an excellent round up of "general" play/players and you threw it back at him, by ditching the "general" question and asking for specifics.

I think you are looking for BALLLAAAA'S

SilentAssassin

zzzzzzzzz........i'd just close this thread mods. Some people just love moaning about threads.

robinblinds

Not moaning here!

I think you ask a good question. But the answer is boring.

Most poker players are losers and have no bankrolls. A very, very small % are winning and they sacrifice a lot to win. Most notably their life.

Ace2007

SilentAssassin wrote: »

As I said before, I don't play at the high levels and can't exactly throw away money so I cash out the odd 20 and 50 here and there incase I tilt it away.

if you can't aford to lose the money playing poker then don't play the game - its simple play with money you can afford to lose otherwise don't play - poker should be played so that its enjoyable - regardless of weather your playin 10c/20c or 5/10.

I'd say the majority of winning players on this forum worked their way up from the lower limits - some may have had a big score - and didn't spend that much time on the lower limits - but they grind the levels that they are rolled for and then move up or down depending on how they do.

corkie123

nicnicnic wrote: »

there are unconfirmed rumours that some posters here got there bankrolls as rentboys

no need to bring your past into this:D:D

Mr.Plough

go to redtube, click categories

choose ghey

watch every vid 3 times until you catch the ghey

go to phoenix park, sex old men for money

enjoy it

??

=profit

deposit 1k and go busto at 50nl and think about how good your life is

TommyGunne

Mr.Plough wrote: »

go to redtube, click categories

choose ghey

watch every vid 3 times until you catch the ghey

go to phoenix park, sex old men for money

enjoy it

??

=profit

deposit 1k and go busto at 50nl and think about how good your life is

Ah. I did it a different way though.

Blip

Wowzers, except for the posts below this thread was totally derailed, nice question op.

aya14 wrote: »

sold my body to science all their tests came back negative, true story!

nicnicnic wrote: »

there are unconfirmed rumours that some posters here got there bankrolls as rentboys

Mr.Plough wrote: »

go to redtube, click categories

choose ghey

watch every vid 3 times until you catch the ghey

go to phoenix park, sex old men for money

enjoy it

??

=profit

deposit 1k and go busto at 50nl and think about how good your life is