That survivorman guy is RUBBISH!

Overblood

That survivorman guy on Discovery is absolutley rubbish!

His traps NEVER work. He sets them up and says "alright! when I come back tomorrow morning I'm going to have a HUGE bear stuck in this thing!" and lo and behold the morning after, not even an ANT is found in the trap. Since these traps didn't work at all WHY ARE THEY IN THE BLEEDIN PROGRAM AT ALL!!! Waste of time, and they are also used as a tool to keep you watching. "hmmm lets wait and see what he traps.. (20mins later) oh nothing as usual. oh look we've ended up watching this whole sh!tty program waiting for his traps".

He plays up and exaggerates the dangers so feckin obviously. He'd be walking along a beach and saying stuff like "there's a possibility that a 400ft tsunami could come and destroy me any minute".

Did anybody see the australian outback episode? For the whole episode he wouldn't shut the £&%$ up about fecking King brown snakes. At the start he was like "the desert is extremely populated by dangerous poisonous King brown snakes, one bite and your dead in minutes" and he'd point to a rock and say "there could be a king brown snake under there, better be careful" trying to play on peoples fears. Any tree or bit of a shrub he came across he'd mention that there could be king brown snakes everywhere. Hiding. Waiting to pounce and eat my eyeballs out. There was one kind of cliff/outcrop where he set up camp, and he said that the place was a perfect spot for King Brown snakes to live and that they could be everywhere. First of all why the &£%$ did he sat up camp there so, and secondly: did we see a single king brown snake where he set up camp? NO! Did we see one throughout the entire episode? NO!

Also, how the feck did he survive so long in the outback with one 2litre canister, topping it up ever day whenever he found a water hole? With the amount of walking he did you'd need much more water than that, trekking the outback in australia where temperatures hover around 30°C you'd need 5 or 6 litres. He obviously had water in the HUGE backpack he was carrying around with him.

In many other episodes he plays up the danger. I remember one episode where he camped in a forest and was "afraid" that a river would flood and drag himself and the forest away. Another time he was... I dunno where he was but he kept on talking about storms coming and destroying his make-shift hut, even though there were NO STORMS OR NOTHIN for the whole program! I think one drop of rain fell.

HE'S CRAP!

/rant

Basq

.. change the channel?

Overblood

No I can't! I have to wait and see does anything get caught in his trap! See that's the trick he plays... I'm also waiting for those king brown snakes to jump out and bite him in the face.

Phsyche

First time I saw the program I thought it was a **sstake.

Did you see the episode when he was in the Georgian swamp? The man's a joke! Even a child knows a raft's made up of a bit more than two sticks! Kept talking how he's going to catch a huge catfish and ended up chasing whatever was not fast enough slithering or hopping away from him.

MayoForSam

The last time I watched this guy he was up in the Artic trying to set up a shelter and fish, it was a complete yawn fest. He couldn't stop complaining about the wind, scenery was just bland.

Say what you like about Bear Grylls (some of the situations he gets into are definitely stage managed) but at least he can grab your attention for an hour compared to the other guy.

lostexpectation

no he's cool enough, his traps rarely do work,that's life, he's always, eating plants, but sure he is alone, he places his tripod walks himself hiking then goes back to get the camera and walks the same way....

its better then having things placed.

Agamemnon

It's an unintentionally hilarious show all right, I love it. His excuse for being crap is that things can go wrong in a survival situation and we're all meant to learn from the way he doesn't panic. I'd love to see him go head-to-head with Bear Grylls, it'd be like watching Mike Tyson fight Stephen Hawking.

lostexpectation

mike tyson and his mates

Overblood

MayoForSam wrote: »

The last time I watched this guy he was up in the Artic trying to set up a shelter and fish, it was a complete yawn fest. He couldn't stop complaining about the wind, scenery was just bland.

Yeah I saw that one, what the hell were they thinking even airing that episode. Nothing happened. He made a house out of cardboard and old bits of carpet and he kept on worrying about it's structural integrity, "I hope the wind doesn't blow this away, cos then I'd have hypothermia and I'd die."

The place didn't even look that cold. He wasn't in the "Arctic" arctic, like whiteouts n' snow blizzards n' sh!t, he was in the arctic circle, which is pretty big and he was probably in the least snowy bit at the very edge. In summer.


http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/A/Arctic+Circle

Quint

His show is more of a comedy show. He makes a raft that falls apart as soon as it hits any sort of waves. He shows you how to make food from the wild and he pukes because it tastes so bad. Another time he's showing you how to get onshore when there's waves and the shoreline is rocky. He gets closer and closer, then the camera cuts to him stepping onto the rock! He obviously was to chicken to really do it!
Funny seeing Harry Hill take the piss out of him.
Actually, here it is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y02LrUwNpNU

L31mr0d

yeah survivorman is crap alright. I mean Bear Grylls, crazy as he is... is actually nuts, he's not just pretending, I mean I nearly shat myself just watching him paramotoring over everest. Just have a read of his wiki page.

Survivorman is useless and does not stop whinging, he's also not really doing any surviving, as soon as it gets remotely difficult, he makes up some excuse and gets airlifted out... but it is comedy gold, I imagine Ray Mears and Bear Grylls watching him and having a good laugh at his ineptitude. I loved the episode where he couldn't even catch a squirrel so he had to eat the meat that he'd thrown to his huskies that was half rotten and smeared in dog crap. Watching him eat it was hilarious, lol

SoupyNorman

You guys dont get it.


If you want staged and bogus hollywood survival watch that Grylls muppet, he's an embarrassment to the survivalists. Its nothing but a Jackass survival show.


Survivorman is raw stuff, I find it fascinating as it is as close as you would see to what actually happens when you need to survive in a wilderness, It shows that it aint all Fillet of squirrel and monkey butlers, not only that the guy is alone for 7days with no food but above all that, the guy operates all of the cameras also. Yes it gets funny and farcical but the guy is trying to make things entertaining and interesting and dose not know when to shut up sometimes. On a side note you'll be glad to hear he isnt making anymore.


Mears is the king , Grylls and Stroud together could not hold a candle to him because by the time they got the candle lit, Mears would have a flame-thrower carved out of some monkeys.




Main point being, you are all wrong...you should go and watch CSI or LOST if you need your TV pre-packaged in a glossy little bundle.

FrostyJack

I imagine Ray Mears and Bear Grylls watching him and having a good laugh at his ineptitude

Yeah I'm sure they are :rolleyes: Les is widely regarded as the best of the 3 mentioned "survival experts". Go on any forum where people have a clue what they are talking about (try the outdoor pursuits forum for example) and you will see you's are all so wrong.

Bear Grylls shows are very entertaining, but are unrealistic with regards survival. Ray Mears shows are also great but the fact he is 20 stone shows he never went a day without 3 square meals. Survivorman is a totally different type of program, he doesn't jump out of helicopters or take unnecessary risks, his aim is to survive, quiet simple.
As the program is set in reality, things don't always work first time or even at all. The point of the exercises are to show you what not to do as much as what works. If everything worked first time like in Hollywood the program would be pointless, it would be Born Survivor. I would love to see you's experts lighting a fire without matches or a lighter or trapping at your first attempt.

Your rants are like listening to ignorant people watching the UFC and saying things like "why doesn't just stop hugging him, get off the ground and just hit him" .......

lostexpectation

i don't think les is rubbish but i do say this all the time when watching ufc
"why doesn't just stop hugging him, get off the ground and just hit him"

blackgold>>

Overblood wrote: »

No I can't! I have to wait and see does anything get caught in his trap! See that's the trick he plays... I'm also waiting for those king brown snakes to jump out and bite him in the face.

lol

L31mr0d

FrostyJack wrote: »

As the program is set in reality, things don't always work first time or even at all. The point of the exercises are to show you what not to do as much as what works. If everything worked first time like in Hollywood the program would be pointless, it would be Born Survivor. I would love to see you's experts lighting a fire without matches or a lighter or trapping at your first attempt.

I've genuinely learnt things from watching Ray Mears shows, like how to wrap up cables or to always keep some inner tube with me when camping (I've been quite a few times camping and hunting with friends in the Canadian North). I watch Bear Grylls for the entertainment and also because he genuinely does have no fear in a lot of the things he does.

Survivorman is like watching stale bread. Regardless of how skilled you say he is in real life, if he isn't able to portray it on the screen and teach people anything then what is the point? He never particularly survives any better than your average Joe Blogs does. Most of the time he just lives off the stuff he planned to bring with him and if the going gets a little rough he just calls in a helicopter to airlift him out. You never feel at any time that he is surviving as he is never really in danger. The whole "leave him alone in the wilderness for 7 days" is a gimmick as there is always a support team less than an hour away.

You can have your Big Brother, Americas Next Top Model and Survivorman reality TV shows, I'll take my scripted, educational and entertaining TV shows any day

bill_ashmount

Best show on TV.

Love it!!!

Quint

Ray Mears is a joke too. He's stranded in the desert and shows you how to make a hat out of tin foil. Like you're going to have tin foil in the desert! He always happens to just have exactly what you need to survive. "if you're hungry, just take a cucumber sandwich out of your cooler box"

L31mr0d

Quint wrote: »

Ray Mears is a joke too. He's stranded in the desert and shows you how to make a hat out of tin foil. Like you're going to have tin foil in the desert! He always happens to just have exactly what you need to survive. "if you're hungry, just take a cucumber sandwich out of your cooler box"

I think with Ray Mears his mantra is to always be prepared. He gives advice of simply items you should bring with you everywhere you go. I'm sure Ray Mears has an A4 sheet of tinfoil folded up in his wallet for when he heads down to pick up a litre of milk

Overblood

If you don't have an a4 sheet of tinfoil with you every day you're simply asking for trouble.

Overblood

Quint wrote: »

Ray Mears is a joke too. He's stranded in the desert and shows you how to make a hat out of tin foil. Like you're going to have tin foil in the desert! He always happens to just have exactly what you need to survive. "if you're hungry, just take a cucumber sandwich out of your cooler box"

But Ray Mears never claims to be stranded, he's just wandering around picking fruit and making houses out of cowsh!t. Where as the Survivorman guy says "OK GUYS I'm STRANDED TO BITS in the middle of the DESERT! I have to survive for seven days with absolutley nothing but this camera, WOAH!!!" but he always has a huge backpack full of food and water and his team is like an hour away.

HAHA! Just remembered another Survivorman episode where he was supposed to be "stranded" in the Jungle and he said "if I get too hungry I can just get some food from the local village farm" and he points across a river to a farm and two villagers waving!! WTF!! Stranded me hole!! And when his traps fail he decides to go to the village and they have a big feast for him. Survivorman me arse.

Borneo Fnctn

Bear Grylls is an absolute fraud. And he can only chew with his gob closed if it isn't something absolutely disgusting.

SoupyNorman

I think some distinctions need to be made...


Ray Mears - Survival trainer/consultant, always comes prepared.


Les Stroud - 'What If' scenario, what if my plane crashes and all I have is half a chocolate bar and 14 cameras!


Bear Grylls - Go to a mountain, get a local to place a carcase, sleep in the carcase, get up, go to Africa, drink elephant piss, get naked...ohhh look at my muscle, constantly say "this is what I would do in such a situation...sleep in 5star hotel.

FrostyJack

He never particularly survives any better than your average Joe Blogs does. Most of the time he just lives off the stuff he planned to bring with him and if the going gets a little rough he just calls in a helicopter to airlift him out

I very much doubt an average joe would last the 7 days without his training. He left 2 episodes early, It is a show after all, not worth dying over. He has given up the series because of the toll on his body, why would he do that if it was so easy.

Regardless of how skilled you say he is in real life, if he isn't able to portray it on the screen and teach people anything then what is the point?

"I say"? Go to wikipedia and look him up. If you can't learn from his "mistakes" then there is no help for you I'm afraid.

Kenno90

well (for the traps) would you rather prefer they were empty or the producer sneak a dead mouse into the trap when the cameras were off ,

i think what he does is real and not fake like the rest of them having a big mac during the night

Overblood

HAHA!

Stroud (survivorman guy) and his team extensively scout their locations ahead of time and consult with survivalists and natives to the area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Stroud

As the great Overblood once said: "Survivorman me hole!":cool:

FrostyJack

HAHA!

Quote:
Stroud (survivorman guy) and his team extensively scout their locations ahead of time and consult with survivalists and natives to the area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Stroud

As the great Overblood once said: "Survivorman me hole!"

And this proves what? Noone ever said he didn't consult locals or scout area, that's just inteligent thinking. Would you like him to crash in a plane for real in an unknown area to make it more authentic for your narrow view? Did you ever notice how when Mears walks into a scene, the camera is there before him? How is that? Half his shows are about asking locals for advice :rolleyes:. As for Bear...enough said already.

L31mr0d

FrostyJack wrote: »

And this proves what?

that he is no different to Ray Mears. He is not recreating a survival situation where someone is stranded unknowingly and has to survive as he has complete foreknowledge of the specific location he is staying in.

What I appreciate about Ray Mears is that he packs in a lot of information and advice into each episode. The majority of the time watching Les Stroud is basically just him talking into a camera about being hungry and cold and then watching him sleep.

Also there have been a few episodes where he has been either walking towards the camera or away from the camera from a fair distance away, so it's as orchestrated as any of the other shows. Only when he's done walking he has to go back and collect his camera. Not really wise for someone to be expending that much unneeded exertion when they are on the brink of surviving :rolleyes:

What he basically shows is that even with training, if you get stranded without help your chances are slim, made tantamount by the fact that he is no longer doing this show [EDIT: actually wiki says he is still doing the show]. I personally prefer Ray Mears advice to be prepared before the event, then to try and scrounge after it and fail and ultimately die, as would happen to survivorman if he was actually stranded.

EDIT: Also, I'm not doubting Les skills or training, but this is the TV forum, not the outdoor pursuits forum. I judge these shows by how effectively they can educate, and imo, I've learnt a lot more from watching Ray Mears than from watching Les Stroud. But, like bravestarr082 said, their points are different. Mears is trying to get you to always expect the worst and plan for it, where as Stroud is saying if you haven't equipped yourself, then to work with what you've got. I prefer to always carry basic equipment with me (like a swiss army credit card torch/penknife, lighter, inner tube, some wire) then to go unprepared.

lostexpectation

but this is the TV forum, not the outdoor pursuits forum. I judge these shows by how effectively they can entertain.

a a fairer judgment for here, is he entertaining or edutaining

well maybe discovery is edutainment

Overblood

FrostyJack wrote: »

Would you like him to crash in a plane for real in an unknown area to make it more authentic for your narrow view?

Yes I would actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpSlpvb1is