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B.Eng or B.Sc

  • 17-02-2009 10:35pm
    #1
    motherfunker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭


    I am about to finish my level 7 Building Services Engineering degree but do not have the option to do a 4th year to get a B.Eng as there is no course available in my college. My only real option is to finish it with the Open University. The courses I want to do are based around environmental modelling and pollution control but they would only give me a B.Sc, I would have to do a few other modules to get the B.Eng, possibly another 2 years.
    What are the advantages of having a B.Eng or the disadvantages of just having a B.Sc?
    Does it really matter so long as I have a good qualification?


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  • #2
    Eoin D
    Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭Eoin D


    motherfunker wrote: »
    I am about to finish my level 7 Building Services Engineering degree but do not have the option to do a 4th year to get a B.Eng as there is no course available in my college. My only real option is to finish it with the Open University. The courses I want to do are based around environmental modelling and pollution control but they would only give me a B.Sc, I would have to do a few other modules to get the B.Eng, possibly another 2 years.
    What are the advantages of having a B.Eng or the disadvantages of just having a B.Sc?
    Does it really matter so long as I have a good qualification?

    As far as I know to be an accredited engineer you need a level 8 in the national framework of qualifications. I'm basing this all on IEI requirements so I don't know how relevant it is in the long term for yourself or for environmental engineering as a whole.

    This might be a useful link....
    http://www.engineersireland.ie/Students/degrees.pasp?menuid=6


  • #3
    Michael Collins
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭Michael Collins


    To be perfectly honest, it's not all that significant which one you get. Unless there's some specific area you want to get into, any technical degree that's Level 8 will be good enough. Just get a good degree, that's what matters most.

    Is moving to a different college that will allow you to do the B.Eng or B.E. or whatever a possibility?


  • #4
    Darren1o1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Darren1o1


    Michael Collins wrote: »
    To be perfectly honest, it's not all that significant which one you get. Unless there's some specific area you want to get into, any technical degree that's Level 8 will be good enough. Just get a good degree, that's what matters most.

    Is moving to a different college that will allow you to do the B.Eng or B.E. or whatever a possibility?

    Also with the bologna agreement coming up, even a level 8 may eventually not be enough. I am a B Eng (Hons) but I am going back PT to up skill to an M Sc. It may not be necessary in your industry but it is something you should be aware of and be prepared for.


  • #5
    Turbulent Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭Turbulent Bill


    I don't think it'll make much difference whether you have a B.Sc or a B.Eng so long as it's Level 8 and accredited by EI (or whatever the relevant body is). If you're worried about it you could ask people already in the field or employers what they think.

    Darren1o1, I think the M.Sc requirement is for people starting in the next few years (maybe 2012/2013?) rather than those already graduated / in college - could be wrong on this though. It would be grossly unfair to change the rules when someone is in the middle of a course that was originally advertised as accredited, or to instantly disqualify those already holding a B.Eng.


  • #6
    Darren1o1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Darren1o1


    Turbulent Bill wrote: »
    I don't think it'll make much difference whether you have a B.Sc or a B.Eng so long as it's Level 8 and accredited by EI (or whatever the relevant body is). If you're worried about it you could ask people already in the field or employers what they think.

    Darren1o1, I think the M.Sc requirement is for people starting in the next few years (maybe 2012/2013?) rather than those already graduated / in college - could be wrong on this though. It would be grossly unfair to change the rules when someone is in the middle of a course that was originally advertised as accredited, or to instantly disqualify those already holding a B.Eng.

    That is true, but remember eventually you will be competing against these people. Level 8 is key now (assuming it is EI accredited, some are not). motherfunker says his is Level 7 which is not enough for CENG. I would imagine (although I have no experience) building services is something you would need CENG in to progress. Although if you are Level 8 now and are not a member and decide to later become one after this threshold, you will need a masters. People starting (year 1) this or next year will need to graduate as master to join. It is easier to go back now than 10 years into your career.

    It all highly depends on your specific industry requirements.


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  • #7
    Eoin D
    Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭Eoin D


    Bologna agreement baffles me. Will current level 8 graduates be considered below par? And if we were to now do a two year masters would we then only be considered equal to future graduates (we'd be doing 6 years and they would be doing 5??)

    I think it's a spanner in the works of engineering which already has the washington and sydney accords


  • #8
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Darren1o1 wrote: »
    Although if you are Level 8 now and are not a member and decide to later become one after this threshold, you will need a masters.

    I think you are wrong on this one.

    Anyone currently in an accredited course will be fine. With that degree you can become Charted at ANYTIME in the future provided that you graduate before 2012.

    It will only affect those in first year repeating and those starting from next year onwards.


  • #9
    Darren1o1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Darren1o1


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    I think you are wrong on this one.

    Anyone currently in an accredited course will be fine. With that degree you can become Charted at ANYTIME in the future provided that you graduate before 2012.

    It will only affect those in first year repeating and those starting from next year onwards.

    I was reading this on the IEI website yesterday oddly. I could be wrong. I thought it was a very strange way of implementing it. They mention about using CPD and other training courses to make up the addition 90 ECTS credits. I will try route out the paper.


  • #10
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    http://www.engineersireland.ie/uploads/common/files/AccredCriteria07.pdf
    Page 11 of attached pdf wrote:
    Note on the Education Standard for the Chartered Engineer Title

    Up to programmes completed in 2012, the education standard for the grade of MIEI and the
    professional title of Chartered Engineer is an honours Bachelor of Engineering degree (level 8),
    as defined in Section A of Part 1 of this document.
    n May 2007, Engineers Ireland decided that the education standard for the grade of MIEI and
    the professional title of Chartered Engineer should be raised to Master Degree in engineering,
    awarded on successful completion of a programme accredited by Engineers Ireland, with effect
    from programmes completed in 2013.
    Master’s degree programmes, structured on a “3+2” basis, commenced in one Irish university in
    2004. Most other Irish universities, and a number of institutes of technology, are in the process
    of planning their own particular responses.


  • #11
    Dundhoone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Dundhoone


    Eoin D wrote: »
    As far as I know to be an accredited engineer you need a level 8 in the national framework of qualifications. I'm basing this all on IEI requirements so I don't know how relevant it is in the long term for yourself or for environmental engineering as a whole.

    This might be a useful link....
    http://www.engineersireland.ie/Students/degrees.pasp?menuid=6


    I think it will still hav eto be a level 8 qual in engineering ...... so B sc is out in that case>>?


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