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Hypothetical Question

  • 16-02-2009 8:54pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭


    If Declan Kidney was in charge for EOS's rein would Ireland have done better or worse over the last 6 or 7 years? And to what extent?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭NotWormBoy


    Pointless question, more like.

    Because the answer is: No one will ever know, because he wasn't.

    [edit] Just realised my reply seems a bit harsh, non-intentionally.

    But I don't think anyone can really say. Eddie was an excellent coach for most of his time here, and few of us said too many bad words about him until (near) the end. If Kidney can produce a Championship or a Grand Slam, people will say yes. If he can't, they probably won't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    NotWormBoy wrote: »
    Pointless question, more like.

    Because the answer is: No one will ever know, because he wasn't.

    [edit] Just realised my reply seems a bit harsh, non-intentionally.

    But I don't think anyone can really say. Eddie was an excellent coach for most of his time here, and few of us said too many bad words about him until (near) the end. If Kidney can produce a Championship or a Grand Slam, people will say yes. If he can't, they probably won't.



    Based on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭corny


    A hypothethical question is one asked out of interest, as the answer will have no effect on the situation. If you have a confused opinion or an indecisive one, don't give it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭NotWormBoy


    Based on?

    Ireland's previous results in the modern era. We got three Triple Crowns in four/five years. Three kickings of Australia, South Africa and England in 6 months, however hollow they turned out to be. No one, or very few at least, could have predicted how badly the WC would turn out. And yeah, we were all disappointed by the lack of a grand slam, but we got over by dint of the fact it was the most successful Irish team over an extended period for a very very long time. I could probably add more to his list of accolades, but they're the major ones.

    I know you disagree, which is fair enough, but I thought [/I]Eddie did a good job until he went completely tits up at the end. After all, nothing he could have done could legislate for that last minute French try in Croker.

    I should probably know better than to get into this argument with you, so I won't after this post, and whatever reply you have. ;-)
    If you have a confused opinion or an indecisive one, don't give it.

    I'm neither confused nor indecisive. I'm quite clearly saying that no one will ever know, and that guessing is pointless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭corny


    NotWormBoy wrote: »
    Ireland's previous results. We got three Triple Crowns in four/five years. Three kickings of Australia, South Africa and England in 6 months, however hollow they turned out to be. No one, or very few at least, could have predicted how badly the WC would turn out. And yeah, we were all disappointed by the lack of a grand slam, but we got over by dint of the fact it was the most successful Irish team over an extended period for a very very long time. I could probably add more to his list of accolades, but they're the major ones.

    I know you disagree, which is fair enough, but I thought [/I]Eddie did a good job until he went completely tits up at the end. After all, nothing he could have done could legislate for that last minute French try in Croker.

    I should probably know better than to get into this argument, so I won't after this post, and whatever reply you have. ;-)


    I'm neither confused nor indecisive. I'm quite clearly saying that no one will ever know, and that guessing is pointless.

    You quite clearly are confused. Saying no one will ever know goes beyond stating the obvious and like i said a hypothetical question is one asked out of interest (my interest) so guessing obviously serves somes purpose (to me). You don't agree or you don't care then stop arguing with yourself and stop posting.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭NotWormBoy


    corny wrote: »
    You quite clearly are confused. Saying no one will ever know goes beyond stating the obvious and like i said a hypothetical question is one asked out of interest (my interest) so guessing obviously serves somes purpose (to me). You don't agree or you don't care then stop arguing with yourself and stop posting.

    Fair enough to that part.

    I'd disagree with the rest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Jam-Fly


    The question works both ways. Declan Kidney being in charge of Ireland means he was not in charge of Munster meaning Munster probably wouldn't have won two HCs meaning some players may not have become the players they are today etc.
    It's get into a butterfly effect.
    I think Declan Kidney was in charge of Munster, and is now in charge of Ireland, and NOW is the right time for Kidney to be with Ireland.

    "Life can only be understood backwards, but must be lived forwards"



    But to answer your question, I think if Declan Kidney was manager 7 years ago, Ireland would not have been more successful than they had been. I see no reason as to why Kidney would have been more successful than EOS.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I still think Eddie was a very good coach. He was simply in charge for too long and the entire set up stagnated. I think if Kidney is still here in 7 years then we will probably face the same problems. Over the years I never thought EOS was to blame for a number of missed opportunites - he never asked Geordan Murphy to be a complete numpty when playing against France, nor did he ask Ireland to monumentally cock up the final restart against France. You could claim it was systematic of failures in the entire system, but I genuinely believe Kidney has better players now then EOS had at the start of his tenure. Despite popular belief EOS was bringing in new players - he gave Fitz, Kearney and Heaslip their first caps after all. He was just there too long at that point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    would munster have produced the goods under eddie o sullivan?

    possibly a more apt question


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Serenity Now!


    Here ya all go: NOTHING

    Go argue over that...:rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭murphym7


    I think Eddie did a grand job (There a bot too long maybe)
    Deccie is doing a great job so far.

    Who care's though. Their both from Cork boy!!:D


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