Indoor Range in Mallow?

knockon

Can anybody give me some info on a new pistol range in Mallow I heard that was or is opening soon?

murph226

What did you hear?

knockon

Exactly what I wrote above!!!

murph226

Its being built by Pat Hayes, the owner of Mallow pistol & rifle club.

I've seen the plans and it looks impressive but its allegedly after being shot down for planning.

The proposed site is in Newtwopothouse.

A lot of people are waiting a long time for this to happen and wonder if it ever will!

When I saw the plans I was disappointed to see the lack of some kind of automated target system.

Are you in Cork yourself Knockon?

knockon

No Murph - Limerick. I did buy ammo from that chap (he has a shop in Mallow town). I have not been on the range in 2 months as the weather has been very poor. Would'nt it be nice to shoot in a t-shirt in January in an indoor range and given the changes in Licensing it won't do the sport much good. - Thanks for the info.

sharps

Pat Hayes has definetly been refused planning permission for his indoor range

murph226

sharps wrote: »

Pat Hayes has definetly been refused planning permission for his indoor range

Hi Sharps, do you know what it was shot down for?

Grizzly 45

From whatI can find out/scuttlebutt etc.
1]Seeing that the day membership and any sort of commerical usage of ranges is not going to be allowed.One major source of income to pay for the range facility is going to be gone..So you can have a club only.With the odd open day for new members,who cant try shooting to see if they like it or not.So expect still plenty of open ,rainy ,mucky ranges with a caravan or container stuck on the side.:( Cos thats what we will be able to afford.

2]It seems that our powers that be want our ranges out in the boonies [I've heard unconfirmed anything outside 25 plus kms of a major city or town]and our gun dealers now in towns in shops,and do away with the home dealers,due to the "tiger raids" ala Clonmel and the fact that our Gardai are not capable of patrolling or responding quickly in rural areas efficently anymore.

So obviously criminals wont bother staking out ranges and not have plenty of time to highway rob people going to or from ranges:rolleyes:

3]The problem of DOJ authorisation/local Super signing off as well.In fairness our new range inspector sounds like he will play ball with us,and if it is up to his required spec,he will sign it off...Trouble is,what happens if your local Super does not want a range on his patch???You have spent X hunderd thousands,[if you can get it nowadays]built it to spec and the Super wont sign off...?? Lots of fun paying that back! Not to mind rates,on a now commerical property,leases,power ,insurance etc.

4] Then we come to planning permission...The "planners" seemingly are now pushing for ranges to be located in "industrial zones" and not in rural areas,OTOH the other lot want them in rural areas away from cities.Now please explain to me how is this going to work??A industrial zone in the boonies??A juxtaposition if there ever was.:rolleyes:
Add into that if you manage to find such a place,you must deal with the NIMBY's,and proably somone saying what amounts to a tactical nuke for anything related to shooing in Ireland.."public saftey".

No doubt there is more on this.But I can see what will happen here,if you didnt have an established range before this all comes down the line in the CJB 06,you will have a massive, if not impossible job setting one up..

rrpc

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

From what I can find out/scuttlebutt etc.
1]Seeing that the day membership and any sort of commerical usage of ranges is not going to be allowed. One major source of income to pay for the range facility is going to be gone..So you can have a club only. With the odd open day for new members, who cant try shooting to see if they like it or not. So expect still plenty of open ,rainy ,mucky ranges with a caravan or container stuck on the side.:( Cos thats what we will be able to afford.

A gloomy picture you paint Grizzly

You can have a commercially run range as opposed to a commercial range. I'd have to say, I'd be nervous allowng people in on a pay for play basis without knowing who they are or what their motives are. Especially if you're handing a firearm to them.

The membership model is safer, maybe not as good an earner, but still a reasonable proposition and with the added bonus of being able to sleep at night

2]It seems that our powers that be want our ranges out in the boonies [I've heard unconfirmed anything outside 25 plus kms of a major city or town]and our gun dealers now in towns in shops,and do away with the home dealers,due to the "tiger raids" ala Clonmel and the fact that our Gardai are not capable of patrolling or responding quickly in rural areas efficently anymore.

And yet, the range in Drommin was refused on the basis that it should have been in a more populated area. So unconfirmed probably means untrue.

3]The problem of DOJ authorisation/local Super signing off as well.In fairness our new range inspector sounds like he will play ball with us,and if it is up to his required spec,he will sign it off...Trouble is,what happens if your local Super does not want a range on his patch???You have spent X hunderd thousands,[if you can get it nowadays]built it to spec and the Super wont sign off...?? Lots of fun paying that back! Not to mind rates,on a now commerical property,leases,power ,insurance etc.

The advice is to get all the approval stuff out of the way before you start spending money. Talk to the Super and see how he/she feels before you start investing money, the range inspector has said the same about his role. You obviously can't get full approval until you're finished, but if you have agreement in principle beforehand that if you do the work right it shouldn't be a problem well that should be good enough.

4] Then we come to planning permission...The "planners" seemingly are now pushing for ranges to be located in "industrial zones" and not in rural areas,OTOH the other lot want them in rural areas away from cities.Now please explain to me how is this going to work??A industrial zone in the boonies??A juxtaposition if there ever was.

Well that's not what has been said in other cases and in other established ranges.

No doubt there is more on this.But I can see what will happen here,if you didnt have an established range before this all comes down the line in the CJB 06,you will have a massive, if not impossible job setting one up..

I don't believe so. In fact quite a considerable amount of uncertainty has been taken out of the equation where we now know exactly what we have to do and how to go about it.

rrpc

sharps wrote: »

Pat Hayes has definetly been refused planning permission for his indoor range

Not calling you into question, but there's no record of a planning application for a range in the area mentioned and none under the name of Pat Hayes either.

You can check Cork Co. Co. planning applications here.

knockon

Not so RRPC. Here is the planning fine number:088132

rrpc

knockon wrote: »

Not so RRPC. Here is the planning fine number:088132

Thanks for that Knockon, very picky system, put in 'Patrick Hayes' and it didn't show up. Townland was different as well though.

I see he's appealing it.

Grizzly 45

rrpc wrote: »

A gloomy picture you paint Grizzly

Not trying to,just seems to be the feedback from around the land.

You can have a commercially run range as opposed to a commercial range. I'd have to say, I'd be nervous allowng people in on a pay for play basis without knowing who they are or what their motives are. Especially if you're handing a firearm to them.

Well, that would be busisness sense.However,the concept of somone ringing up, coming out and being let unsupervised to blaze away,while the person in charge is back in the office reading Guns & Ammo ,is a definate ,absolutely not,no way situation for anywhere in the EU.
That doesnt mean that somone cant shoot under supervision/tutition by the person in charge of the range on the day for a specified time and payment.Except here in Ireland.This is what the ban on "day membership" ,or corporate events is specified in the legislation at the meeting you attended[?] there a couple of weeks ago.

The membership model is safer, maybe not as good an earner, but still a reasonable proposition and with the added bonus of being able to sleep at night

Without a doubt it is and isnt either.You might sleep well knowing no one is going to do somthing daft and make off with the club guns.But sleep with a huge debt to pay off on facilities,insurance,etc,with a capped membership,and they paying the max you can eke out of them too?

And yet, the range in Drommin was refused on the basis that it should have been in a more populated area. So unconfirmed probably means untrue.

Yet,I have talked to a lad who wanted to open a range not too far from me on a disused industrial plant,cum estate,that was exellent for an indoor range ,with all sorts of useable facilities,canteen,toilets,parking for a fleet of 40 ft trucks,secure as hell,yet isolated enough,but still close enough to Limerick[Why I didnt think of this place meself I dont know].If you did nothing to the outside to attract attention,anyone would think,big empty derelict factory unit.

Turned down FLAT by Clare county council ,[not in an industrial area:rolleyes:,yet it is an industrial complex,and was zoned so]:eek:..and they have been moaning for decades now that the place is soo disused and nobody will do anything with it.:rolleyes:and "advised" by Gardai to forget it as it was too close to Limerick.
Put it like this;sod having an indoor pistol range,this could host Irelands first indoor rifle range as well it is that big.

The advice is to get all the approval stuff out of the way before you start spending money.

Logical...But the approvers have to know what they want,one side saying out in the boonies,the other saying ,no an industrialised area.Plus when both sides agree you would want it in writing so there are then no discrepencies.

Talk to the Super and see how he/she feels before you start investing money, the range inspector has said the same about his role. You obviously can't get full approval until you're finished, but if you have agreement in principle beforehand that if you do the work right it shouldn't be a problem well that should be good enough.

This is fine,and very understandable...BUT as I said what happens if you get an anti gun Super then in your area,who decides he doensnt want a range in his patch,and refuses to sign your authorisation???? To the DC,and all he has to say is he has concerns about "public saftey" and you are goosed.. While the new proposals are to be welcomed in making clarity,they do not cover this kind of "what if" situation.Next you have the planning permission situation.What if the designs the DOJ insists on are at odds with what the council wants?

I don't believe so. In fact quite a considerable amount of uncertainty has been taken out of the equation where we now know exactly what we have to do and how to go about it.

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Glad to hear what we MUST do,but when we have done it,will we BE approved,or suffer moving goalposts again??

Sparks

I don't think the authorisation stuff has actually changed Grizzly - before now, you had to get your Garda to authorise you. Now, you have to get that and work with the FRI to have a safe range - but you'd have done that last step before now as well, just without oversight.

The procedure John Guinane outlined at the meeting is the same as we always took, with the one change being that now the technical nuts and bolts of construction have oversight. That oversight just gives us advantages when dealing with the Gardai (they're assured of range construction safety, so that's one variable gone); with the planning folks (same deal); and lets us sit down to them and say "Right, we know it'll be safe, the state will sign off on that - so what's the real objection then?".
To now, we couldn't really do that.