Most Undeserving Champion

BlackMamba

(Don't know whether this thread has been done before so if it has I apologise!:o)
In your opinion who is the wrestler that didn't deserve the championship? Can be from WWE/F, TNA etc.

The Bull

Bill Goldberg durning his time with the WWE.

gimmick

Goldberg came in having been a huge name and draw in WCW while it was stilla profitable company, so putting the belt on him in WWE was not all that a bad idea.

The answer to this is The "great" Khali. No ability, no charisma, nothing. At least he was only transitional.

Tricity Bendix

David Arquette or Vince Russo. Those were dark, dark times for WCW.

Kid Nothing

Vince McMahon

end of thread!

Bubs101

gimmick wrote: »

The answer to this is The "great" Khali. No ability, no charisma, nothing. At least he was only transitional.

Khali has alot of physichal charisma in fairness to him but as the poster above me said, there are only two answers, Russo and Arquette. Vince 100% deserved his title run. He was one of the bigggest heels in the company and a consistent heel draw

rossie1977

khali is a mega-star in india , putting the belt on him didn't harm him at all, he went from a relative unknown in his home country to a guy who has thousands upon thousands of fans waiting for him at the airport upon his arrival, crowds follow him around like he is a god, wwe haven't come close to using khali to his full worth, he could be a gold mine for them

khali actually looks like a champion too, show a non-wrestling fan khali, kendrick, jeff hardy, cm punk, jericho even randy orton and ask them who out of that bunch looks legit

callaway92

David Arquette /thread

Brow

If were talking about the ECW title run Vince had then that was really terrible. The other one gets a thumbs up from me.

CMpunked

callaway92 wrote: »

David Arquette /thread

Could not agree more. It was just a stupid idea.


Rey mysterio would be another, not that i dont think he is worthy to be IC, Cruiser or a Tag champion, But not particularly a world Heavyweight champion.

Mr.Nice Guy

JBL. I believe he politicked his way to the gold in 2004 and his long reign. I also believe that, despite his impressive mic skills, the bulk of the heat he received was the kind of heat Khali received, ie get this waste of space out of my sight.

CMpunked

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

JBL. I believe he politicked his way to the gold in 2004 and his long reign. I also believe that, despite his impressive mic skills, the bulk of the heat he received was the kind of heat Khali received, ie get this waste of space out of my sight.

But at least that was leading up to cena's initial win of the gold? it served as a purpose in that respect.

OrtonViper

amull87 wrote: »

Vince McMahon

end of thread!

Is that the same Vince McMahon who made wrestling what it is today, the same Vince McMahon who created WrestleMania and the smae Vince McMahon who probably deserves the title more than anyone ever has.

Jimmy Bottlehead

OrtonViper wrote: »

Is that the same Vince McMahon who made wrestling what it is today, the same Vince McMahon who created WrestleMania and the smae Vince McMahon who probably deserves the title more than anyone ever has.

No, its the other one. Y'know, the one who's a plumber in Clondalkin.

OrtonViper

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

No, its the other one. Y'know, the one who's a plumber in Clondalkin.

I know that was a shot at me but I couldn't stop laughing

Kid Nothing

OrtonViper wrote: »

Is that the same Vince McMahon who made wrestling what it is today, the same Vince McMahon who created WrestleMania and the smae Vince McMahon who probably deserves the title more than anyone ever has.

Is it the same Vince McMahon who trained for years to be the best wrestler in the world?

I'm sorry but imo that was an absolute joke of a title reign, made a complete mockery of the title and all of it's history regardless of how much heat he had at the time. A non-wrestler winning a title is enough to make me stop watching.

It's the equivalent of Roman Abramovich starting up front for Chelsea!!! (admittedly not the best comparison but you see where i'm coming from!)

OrtonViper

It may have been a joke a reign but he deserved it.

Fozzy

OrtonViper wrote: »

It may have been a joke a reign but he deserved it.

I have nothing against Vince's title reign, but I wouldn't say that he deserved it. The reasons you gave make no sense. It would be like saying that Alex Ferguson has done so much good work for Man Utd that he deserves to be their new striker

OrtonViper

It's nothing like that at all. Its like writer/directors of films they also deserve to be rewarded for there hard work and get some recognition even tho they didn't star in the film

Fozzy

OrtonViper wrote: »

It's nothing like that at all. Its like writer/directors of films they also deserve to be rewarded for there hard work and get some recognition even tho they didn't star in the film

The equivalent would be a director winning a best actor award for directing a film. The title is for the wrestlers, not someone who did good work for wrestling. Did Paul Heyman deserve the ECW belt? Did Eric Bischoff deserve the WCW belt in the mid-90s?

OrtonViper

The differance is Vince McMahon is not a hopeless wrestler

Kid Nothing

OrtonViper wrote: »

The differance is Vince McMahon is not a hopeless wrestler

Yes, yes he is. He was in no way deserving of a wrestling title. Eric Bischoff is a black belt in Judo & was a huge steroid dealer therefore in my eyes he was a more qualified wrestler than McMahon. Did he deserve a title? Hell no.

It makes the title meaningless, same as when Arquette won the WCW title.

Reganio 2

CM Punk

Red Sleeping Beauty

Rock's first title run
Triple H's entire 2002/2003 run
Hulk Hogan's 5th title win at WM9
Hulk Hogan's 6th at Backlash 2002
HBK's World Title Win 2002
Sgt Slaughter's RR 91 win
Sid
Undertaker 97/99/'02


Just about everyone in thw NWO who held the WCW belt from 1997 onwards.

Mike Awesome's ECW run.

CMpunked

OrtonViper wrote: »

It's nothing like that at all. Its like writer/directors of films they also deserve to be rewarded for there hard work and get some recognition even tho they didn't star in the film

Yeah and vince was rewarded with building the greatest and most recognised wrestling promotion on the planet?? By becoming a multi-billionaire? I'd rather that then just boosting my own ego and thinking myself over all the rest of the roster and putting the belt on me.

chopperbyrne

Diamond Dallas Page for me.

Taken from wikipedia:
Page became WCW World Heavyweight Champion in April 1999, at Spring Stampede when he defeated Sting, Hogan, and Ric Flair in a Four Way Dance for the title; Page pinned Flair after giving Flair the Diamond Cutter.


He only won the title because he was friends with Bischoff. Two weeks later they buried Sting by having him beat Page for the title in the first half of the show and then lose it again to Page in the main event.

Page never deserved the title. Nobody in the audience cared about him. I don't know the figures, but I'd assume he didn't draw as champion.

Handsome Bob

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Page never deserved the title. Nobody in the audience cared about him. I don't know the figures, but I'd assume he didn't draw as champion.

Apologies for the bump, but I've watching a lot of DDP stuff from WCW recently. To be honest, he did seem pretty over with the crowd so I think it's a tad unfair to say the audience didn't care about him.

The YouTube community seem pretty nuts about him too, every other top comment seems to suggest that DDP was the biggest example of how Vince pissed on WCW favourites.

jaykhunter

I'd put forth Ron Killings/R-Truth and the nwa/tna title. From a promo and in-ring perspective I can't see him being top of the heap and probably just more of a publicity stunt. His celebration was so weird.

As much as I like Arquette since he's a massive wrestling fan and fought against getting the title, he is the most undeserving.

Mr.Saturn

Arquette agreed with the consensus, by all accounts. The book, Death of WCW, cited him being vehemently against the idea of becoming champion, believing the audience wouldn't buy it, and would rebel against it. He was just doing was what asked of him, that's all. Prescient fellow, regardless. Besides, according to the same book, he made no money off it, donating his fee to the families of Brain Pillman, Owen Hart and the medical bills of Droz.

I feel, if Russo really wanted Arquette with gold, he could've worn any other strap in WCW and it would've gotten the same amount of coverage in the Hollywood dailies as his WHC win. I mean, take the WCW TV title, which'd been thrown in the bin by Scott Hall and later found by Jim Duggan, claiming himself to be champion. A now wrecked, meaningless title. There's a a belt that could've been fought over for a handful of Thunders and Nitros pre-Arquette, only for him to come in and nab it with a fluke. It gets mainstream coverage for the same novelty as the WHC run, the already much-damaged TV title is actually somewhat rebuilt by some hype about it and we don't have a company's top title with a compromised history.

On topic, from what I've read, Jerry Lynn's go at the ROH WHC. I wouldn't say undeserved as much as misguided, it was basically a cash-in on the furor surrounding the movie The Wrestler.

Stereomaniac

Triple H

John 187

Jack Swagger and DDP deserved a run with the WCW belt, all this talk about Page not being over with the crowd and only getting the belt because of being buddies with Bischoff is rubbish.

starviewadams

Page was mega over in WCW in 1997/98,if anything he should've been given the WCW title then instead of in 99 when WCW was already a fast sinking ship.

Shame that the WWF never booked him as a threat when he debuted there in 2001

Stereomaniac

They had him in a kinda stalker thing with The Undertaker and his wife at the time Sara. That was his only real major storyline during his run, wasn't it? I always thought if it had only been done a few years earlier, Jake Roberts would've been perfect for that. Another undeserving champion was Hulk Hogan, when he beat Yokozuna.

Handsome Bob

DDP did have his moments in WWE I suppose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AHb9uIamqA

:pac:

Big Daddy Cool

Jeeeeeeeeeeeoooooohhhhhnnnnn Ceeeenaaaa :P

takamichinoku

rossie1977 wrote: »

khali actually looks like a champion too, show a non-wrestling fan khali, kendrick, jeff hardy, cm punk, jericho even randy orton and ask them who out of that bunch looks legit

The answer is Randy Orton, obviously. After waking down to the ring both punk and Jericho would look more legit too, Hardy's crowd reaction and a few flashy moves would distract them enough into thinking he's a big deal too.

Fairly sure most people over the age of ten would notice his general immobility and how much of a negative that is immediately.

I'd beat Khali, guy's almost in a wheelchair.

Cherry_Cola

takamichinoku wrote: »

I'd beat Khali, guy's almost in a wheelchair.

I reckon you'd have a tough time getting him with a michinoku driver though.

Turtyturd

Cherry_Cola wrote: »

I reckon you'd have a tough time getting him with a michinoku driver though.

He could just flash him and get him with a quick roll up.

Christian for me, especially his initial TNA title.

Stereomaniac

Shawn Michaels, of course. When he beat Sid and that OTHER TIME....

Pentecost

Sheamus, the first time. Deserves his shot now though.

ayatollah

Pentecost wrote: »

Sheamus, the first time. Deserves his shot now though.

yep for sure the first time he wasnt ready for it at all, i think that was panicy itchy trigger finger booking - i actually thought morrison should have been pushed into the picture then he was having unreal match after unreal match week in week out - i think his problem wazs his frustration with creative and the way his pushes were stop start - it'd all be going well and then they'd do nothing and then a while later hey you know maybe we should push john again.

how about bret harts us championship reign???

the most recent one not his WCW one

Handsome Bob

Morrison is terrible on the mic so I can understand why he didn't get a shot.

paddyismaddy

for me i'd say arquette and swagger

Angron

Arquette is the one that would always stick out for me.

Of people that are actually wrestlers, I'd have to go with either Khali or Jackson. Khali isn't too appealing to fans not from India as far as I can see, and Jackson's (non)reign with the ECW world championship was just a joke. Maybe I'm just thinking that cause he got injured right after, and ended up leading to absolutely nothing.

Stereomaniac

At the time, Khali was impressive I felt. But that was WWE doing what they usually do, pushing the giant and then just abandoning him in the midcard somewhere. I mean, for example, (now don't get antsy if you don't agree, merely my opinion) I believe they missed the boat with Kane. Anyway, other title holders that didn't deserve it, probably Sycho Sid when he won the belt in 1997. Didn't really make sense only that he was around.

Angron

I do agree that they missed out on Kane, I think he should have gotten a good solid run with the title when he had the mask, rather than the one day he got back then.

Stereomaniac

It seems like a totally foreign concept now, as there's probably no redemption. But during the brand extension, they should have kept him and The Undertaker apart, to build his character.

CastorTroy

I remember reading about Kane that he's well respected backstage, not only for his experience but also for his attitude. Apparently they offered him the belt on a number of occasions, but he passed as he wanted one of the younger guys to get it. I suppose when he saw that wasn't happening he accepted the belt more recently.
Also I read that Taker said if he's to lose his Mania streak, he wanted it to be to Kane.
That article was a couple years ago so things could've changed since then.

ciano316

Rey Mysterio.

Even David Arquette thought his title run was ridiculous but it was like a lot of publicity stunts in pro wrestling. Arquette was in WCW's movie Ready to Rumble. He donated all the money he made in WCW to the families of Owen Hart, Brian Pillman and Droz.

Hashtag_HEEL

Hornswoggle! Nuff Said!