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Lansdowne Road to be renamed Aviva Stadium
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12-02-2009 03:30PM#1
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First of all, €44 million over 10 years is a very cheap deal. Infact in sponrship terms it's a complete giveaway. It's taking advantage of the financing problems of the stadium thanks to FAI failing to deliver on insane promises of Revenue over corporate box sales (close to double that promised by IRFU for the same boxes - which are sold out, FAI still trying sell - with a far less attractive product in general ticket sales standards - not sure FAI have sold out Croke Park at all, still a scramble for tickets to get into a 80,000 seater stadium for rugby matches) and also the lack of priority of sponsorship which is bottom of the agenda for almost all business at present - and this is a shrewed move from Aviva but a complete sell out by IRFU and FAI and a terrible shame. IF this was a fore gone conclusion to sell the naming rights, I don't think I could think of a possible worse time over the last number of decades to negotiate a deal like this and obtain the maximum value. €4.4 million per year? Isn't that less than the amount of Revenue that is generated by one rugby fixture in Croke Park?
But the naming rights should never have been sold in the first place - Parc y Scarlets, Liberty Stadium, Thomond Park, Ravenhill, Wembley, Old Trafford, Twickenham, Millenium Stadium - none of these stadiums felt the need to rename when redeveloping or even building new stadiums, to remove from the identity of a team to name but a few.
It's another chapter of failure in a stadium that is already inadequete before they've even got the roof on. It was inadequete 5 years ago. That's a whole other debate and I know there are major issues with planning and alternative locations that no one would be a fan of, I'm glad it stayed where it is, but I am very disapointed at this and certainly wont refer to it as anything other than Lansdowne Road. Even to enter into such a long term agreement shows desperation on the IRFU and FAI part that this stadium is struggling to be completed. The figures didn't add up when it began, based on a lot of promises of revenue generation that can not now be fulfilled, and this is the net result. But what's a major project in this country without lack of planning.
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**** park would be good
But in this day and age who gives a ****e about the name? As mentioned before, it was a great price when you compare Arsenals stadium. Can anyone turn down 40m? Anyone i talked to about this have the same view, it's a shame, but **** it, 40m. Should we get rid of sponsors on jerseys and advertising hordings?0 -
Serenity Now! wrote: »They don't. Typically and begrudgingly, they expect money akin to that from Sports Funding in the UK to appear out of nowhere while whingeing and moaning about the bloody name of a stadium.
I didn't realise it was required to sell naming rights to fund a stadium? Maybe if we didn't p!ss around for 10 years with our fingers up our arse talking about a bertie bowl (€800+ of public funds iirc) and a seperate venture for the football and buying barron sites around the country in abbots town and surveying other sites such as bottle works factory with a view to buy and were actually compitant and decisive, we could have had a stadium years ago and wouldn't have p!ssed away this magic money that comes from no where. If we had developed Lansdowne from day one it would have been built years ago and naming rights would never have been an issue.
We're very good at wasting this imaginery money, wherever it comes from. Forgive some people for being frustrated at the oldest rugby stadium on the planet being named after some insurance broker cause we couldn't stop fannying about waiting for one of the multiple interested parties to actually take the inititave and get some of the multi million design plans into action rather than sitting there looking at them and talking about them. But I might have to take any further views on that to the politics forum.0 -
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I didn't realise it was required to sell naming rights to fund a stadium? Maybe if we didn't p!ss around for 10 years with our fingers up our arse talking about a bertie bowl (€800+ of public funds iirc) and a seperate venture for the football and buying barron sites around the country in abbots town and surveying other sites such as bottle works factory with a view to buy and were actually compitant and decisive, we could have had a stadium years ago and wouldn't have p!ssed away this magic money that comes from no where. If we had developed Lansdowne from day one it would have been built years ago and naming rights would never have been an issue.
We're very good at wasting this imaginery money, wherever it comes from. Forgive some people for being frustrated at the oldest rugby stadium on the planet being named after some insurance broker cause we couldn't stop fannying about waiting for one of the multiple interested parties to actually take the inititave and get some of the multi million design plans into action rather than sitting there looking at them and talking about them. But I might have to take any further views on that to the politics forum.
And when somebody actually takes the initiative, the curmudgeons get to work and whinge about it.
Arguing about the name of the building...LOL! :rolleyes:0 -
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Maddux Attractive Renter wrote: »Look stop behaving like an idiot.
Why are you calling me a troll,I have posted nearly every single one of my posts in the rugby forum,unlike you.Who seems to have appeared over an issue involving Aviva?
How the hell does that make me an IRFU employee.
You seem to think calling it Aviva Stadium is a good idea & don't seem to care about the history of that venue.Maddux Attractive Renter wrote: »There were meetings held in the county council offices that you could have gone to,no potest needed,you were allowed in.If you were a member of a supporters club you could have had it brought up.
I will in fact point to a certain meeting in 2005 where 2,000 Connacht fans turned up to a public meeting, & since then any forms of mass dischord at IRFU public meetings have been met with 'changes' to the schedules to those meetings.
Yes, because our grass roots are sooooo well looked after by the IRFU, & importing foreigners en masse into our provincial sides is not helping our national game or national side.Maddux Attractive Renter wrote: »Cant afford it dont buy it,are you bloody serious???????????????
They budgeted the stadium on the fact that they would sell the naming rights,they could afford it!
I for one would prefer a nicer stadium called the Aviva,the continuation of being able to keep and attract high profile players in our provincial teams,grass roots development to keeping the name Landsdown road.
No, because I only played both codes for several years, played for the Mets team, had a trial at Leinster, had two uncles in the Lansdown first XV, one of whom played for AC Bezier, then upon retirement form playing coached at Bezier & a grandfather who was a massive financial supporter in an AIL club .... so no, of course I don't know anything at all about RugbyMaddux Attractive Renter wrote: »The fact of the matter is,I dont even think you know anything about rugby judging from your lack of posts in this forum and you have a severe chip on your shoulder about the name of a stadium because the said company has affected you somehow.
Really, so me standing there as a child watching my uncles turn out for the lansdowne first 15 & having such fond memories of the place stretching back over 25 years is not caring ..... that's a new one to me. Or as a small child being taken to games standing on the South terrace watching games & trying to understand what was going on & eventually coming to love a game that would become a HUGE part of my life.Maddux Attractive Renter wrote: »You do not care about the name Landsdowne road,you want to shove down everyones throats your agenda with Aviva and judging by other posts also the government and Dell,well no one cares.
Really, tell that to English rugby fans who have seen their domestic game fall down the pan with such overly commercialised thinking or NZ/AUS rugby where they are bordering on insolvency in their own leagues & in the Super 14.Maddux Attractive Renter wrote: »We are rugby fans,the stadium could be called **** park for all we care as long as it betters our rugby.You will soon have to learn that cheap labour is a fact of life in these harsh economic globalised times and to hold a grudge against a company who can slash huge costs by emloying elsewhere is futile.
Yes, because I'm sure you like having your tax money abused or maybe you don't because you don't work hard for your money judging by such a careless attitude to it, or you're a welfare scrounger in which case hey, not your money being used.
So have it at there hoss since you're up on that big old might horse........0 -
You seem to think calling it Aviva Stadium is a good idea & don't seem to care about the history of that venue
You can call it whatever you like. It STILL doesn't affect the stadium's history. The name changes NOTHING.
Hmmm...where are these alleged 2000 fans now? This is all very...erm...Bohemians, isn't it? Hardly ever see them all year through the season and then all of a sudden as soon as a grudge matter appears, they're out in force :rolleyes:I will in fact point to a certain meeting in 2005 where 2,000 Connacht fans turned up to a public meeting, & since then any forms of mass dischord at IRFU public meetings have been met with 'changes' to the schedules to those meetings
Compared to France and England, yes it is looked after very well.Yes, because our grass roots are sooooo well looked after by the IRFU, & importing foreigners en masse into our provincial sides is not helping our national game or national side
What about professional rugby? Who did you play Rugby League for, by the way?No, because I only played both codes for several years, played for the Mets team, had a trial at Leinster, had two uncles in the Lansdown first XV, one of whom played for AC Bezier, then upon retirement form playing coached at Bezier & a grandfather who was a massive financial supporter in an AIL club .... so no, of course I don't know anything at all about Rugby
If thats the life of rugby union you want then the stadium shouldn't have been knocked down. You'd prefer a crumbling concrete stadium with no facilities.Really, so me standing there as a child watching my uncles turn out for the lansdowne first 15 & having such fond memories of the place stretching back over 25 years is not caring ..... that's a new one to me. Or as a small child being taken to games standing on the South terrace watching games & trying to understand what was going on & eventually coming to love a game that would become a HUGE part of my life.
Rugby union has troubles in NZ and Aussie because European money attracts its star players. The Super 14 has been won too many times by Kiwi sides and has been growing stale. F**k all to do with 'commericialism'.Really, tell that to English rugby fans who have seen their domestic game fall down the pan with such overly commercialised thinking or NZ/AUS rugby where they are bordering on insolvency in their own leagues & in the Super 14
In England, the GP has been doing well over the past six years. The division below it has improved steadily and numbers of playerbase at all levels are up.
I saw my tax money go into a stadium that wouldn't open to other sports but kept it for itself (for sports I don't particularly give a stuff about). Now that's scandalous.Yes, because I'm sure you like having your tax money abused or maybe you don't because you don't work hard for your money judging by such a careless attitude to it, or you're a welfare scrounger in which case hey, not your money being used..
How the hell do people like you expect a professional game and grassroots game to be run? What hole in the ground or money tree do you expect the funds required to come from?
As amateurish as the game before 1995 :rolleyes:0 -
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Really. I'd beg to differ, as I'm sure a great deal may others would too, but hey - opinions etc etcSerenity Now! wrote: »You can call it whatever you like. It STILL doesn't affect the stadium's history. The name changes NOTHING.Serenity Now! wrote: »Hmmm...where are these alleged 2000 fans now? This is all very...erm...Bohemians, isn't it? Hardly ever see them all year through the season and then all of a sudden as soon as a grudge matter appears, they're out in force :rolleyes:
Quite happy they have a province they can still go to support actually, so that's where they are
Compared to France and England, yes it is looked after very well.
Obviously if 'a trial at leinster' as as far as I made it, I obviously didn;t make it to pro Rugby. I played amateur league here in my early twenties for Tallaght Tigers, & when I lived in the UK near Doncaster I also played some amateur league for a team there.Serenity Now! wrote: »What about professional rugby? Who did you play Rugby League for, by the way?Serenity Now! wrote: »If thats the life of rugby union you want then the stadium shouldn't have been knocked down. You'd prefer a crumbling concrete stadium with no facilities.
big + shiney =/= better or good. Sometimes history is more important.
Sorry, the NZRFU & the AUS RFU think that the extent of their commericialism has been a huge player in their current problems & their problems with losing players to Europe, & the effects it is having on their own game development.Serenity Now! wrote: »Rugby union has troubles in NZ and Aussie because European money attracts its star players. The Super 14 has been won too many times by Kiwi sides and has been growing stale. F**k all to do with 'commericialism'.
In England, the GP has been doing well over the past six years. The division below it has improved steadily and numbers of playerbase at all levels are up.
Yes, it was HUGELY scandalous & still is given the current ****storm. As for England, they have admitted the cub/country issue is directly related to commercialism with clubs viewing players as 'assets' & players feeling more obliged to respect club over country. it is a constant battle the RFU in England face with the GP clubs.Serenity Now! wrote: »I saw my tax money go into a stadium that wouldn't open to other sports but kept it for itself (for sports I don't particularly give a stuff about). Now that's scandalous.Serenity Now! wrote: »How the hell do people like you expect a professional game and grassroots game to be run? What hole in the ground or money tree do you expect the funds required to come from? As amateurish as the game before 1995 :rolleyes:
Pretty sure this is how the grassroots game is STILL being run. Rugby Clubs having fund raisers etc. I'm pretty sure this is STILL how my own local rugby club does things, infact - I know so.
What does the professional game have to do with lansdown being renamed to Aviva - two totally different things. That 44 million from Aviva is NOT going into the grassroots or to the development of our 'professional game' - it is going to a STADIUM. S-T-A-D-I-U-M.0 -
They don't bother their jacksies. There was barely 800 people at the Ospreys opening ML game. A season opener ffs! Aside from the Leinster and Munster games, where are all these alleged staunch Connacht supporters? Their attendances are poor.Quite happy they have a province they can still go to support actually, so that's where they are
I was just curious what RL you played. I played RL in Australia (Richmond leagues in NSW).I played amateur league here in my early twenties for Tallaght Tigers, & when I lived in the UK near Doncaster I also played some amateur league for a team there
How about facilities? How about access? Safety? Amenities? When the only modernisation in a stadium is painting the p*ss wall black and white in a Guinness theme, you know there's problems.big + shiney =/= better or good. Sometimes history is more important
The effect is players need to earn a crust and if they don't make their national side or the better S14 teams they have to look elsewhere to earn a living with the game.Sorry, the NZRFU & the AUS RFU think that the extent of their commericialism has been a huge player in their current problems & their problems with losing players to Europe, & the effects it is having on their own game development
You left "and the players seeing themselves as true professionals playing a high level of the sport therefore requiring MONEY"...Yes, it was HUGELY scandalous & still is given the current ****storm. As for England, they have admitted the cub/country issue is directly related to commercialism with clubs viewing players as 'assets' & players feeling more obliged to respect club over country. it is a constant battle the RFU in England face with the GP clubsPretty sure this is how the grassroots game is STILL being run. Rugby Clubs having fund raisers etc. I'm pretty sure this is STILL how my own local rugby club does things, infact - I know so.
What does the professional game have to do with lansdown being renamed to Aviva - two totally different things. That 44 million from Aviva is NOT going into the grassroots or to the development of our 'professional game' - it is going to a STADIUM. S-T-A-D-I-U-M.
The alternative is that the 40m in question is taken out of domestic games budgets and put to the stadium instead then? Or will another good old fashioned race-night down at your local clubhouse support the development of the stadium? Or scalp your club's allocation of international tickets to the highest bidder maybe?
The way you're posting, you'd swear the stadium never needed upgrading at all! If that is the case, then all I can say is 'ffs' :rolleyes:0 -
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Serenity Now! wrote: »Yes, Municipal stadia would have been the answer as in Australia. However, Ireland being Ireland thought otherwise and the GAA got their stadium all to themselves. What they had failed to see was that they would one day be required to fund it themselves.
You waft on about 'commercialism' when the apt term is actually 'professionalism'. Where is the money to pay players ever going to come from then, in your ideal 'traditional' world?
You seem to have forgotten that the GAA is an amateur game (its players don't get paid). The gates generate most the cash for them - and GAA tickets are very cheap. Lansdowne Road is receiving a heck of a lot more Gov. funding than Croke Park ever did or will. And at a guess, I'd say far more Irish people have played GAA than rugby. All you have to do is look at the international rugby players and quite a few played GAA to a high level and are all the better for it (Kearney, Bowe, Murphy, O'Leary, Horgan, Leamy, Hayes, Horan .... )
I take it you are pleased that no GAA will ever be played in Lansdowne because the pitch is too small
The new Aviva Stadium will always be 'Lansdowne Rd' as far as I'm concerned. I'd be mad, bearing in mind the current economic climate, if the IRFU didn't take the money. Its only for 10 years. Aviva will probably have another name change by then and will be known as Chuengeng Stadium or something! But it will always be Lansdowne Road to me.0 -
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This bears no difference. The GAA doesn't have a wage bill to fund. The IRFU and FAI do. GAA has got plenty of exchequer funding despite this and managed to get a large stadium up and running. As I said, the day was always going to come when they had to fun it themselves. I don't know why you're mentioning the rugby union players who have played GAA sports before. Are you insinuating that rugby union owes the GAA something??thehighground wrote: »You seem to have forgotten that the GAA is an amateur game (its players don't get paid). The gates generate most the cash for them - and GAA tickets are very cheap. Lansdowne Road is receiving a heck of a lot more Gov. funding than Croke Park ever did or will. And at a guess, I'd say far more Irish people have played GAA than rugby. All you have to do is look at the international rugby players and quite a few played GAA to a high level and are all the better for it (Kearney, Bowe, Murphy, O'Leary, Horgan, Leamy, Hayes, Horan .... )
Doesn't bother me. You seem to think I hate the organisation. I don't. I just don't follow any of its sports.thehighground wrote: »I take it you are pleased that no GAA will ever be played in Lansdowne because the pitch is too small
Same here. It'll always be Lansdowne to me. The name of it doesn't bother me, stop me thinking this or sh*t on any history of it as some melodramatics in this thread might have us believe. As said, Lang Pk is Lang Pk and the SFS will always be the SFS.thehighground wrote: »The new Aviva Stadium will always be 'Lansdowne Rd' as far as I'm concerned. I'd be mad, bearing in mind the current economic climate, if the IRFU didn't take the money. Its only for 10 years. Aviva will probably have another name change by then and will be known as Chuengeng Stadium or something! But it will always be Lansdowne Road to me.0 -
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