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Ber as a part time business

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  • 12-02-2009 12:32pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭


    Hey guys

    i am strongly thinking of doing the ber training and operating a small business part time doing this. where can i find decent info on this??
    and do i need the door blower etc to complete certs or is it possible to rent these????

    Any info would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40 legs akimbo.


    kick-on wrote: »
    Hey guys

    i am strongly thinking of doing the ber training and operating a small business part time doing this. where can i find decent info on this??
    and do i need the door blower etc to complete certs or is it possible to rent these????

    Any info would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!

    You will need to weigh up the pro's and cons, to become a registered BER assessor will cost you the bones of several thousand euro, between course fees, time off work, lap top, registration, insurances etc.

    The market is pretty well swamped as it is and there will be hundreds more registering in the coming months working within a market that will be difficult to get a foothold in as current assessors will have the monopoly of auctioneers, contractors and letting agents and a market that has shrunk immensely during the past twelve months.
    Personaly I would not even consider it, you may be a long long time simply recouping that initial outlay before you turn a penny.
    I would consider investing in other aspects of renewable energys, in the coming months there wil be courses available to avail of through FAS as the government unveil initiatives on training and getting people back to work.
    If SEI offered me every penny I have spent thus far to deregister I would snatch their hand off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭kick-on


    You will need to weigh up the pro's and cons, to become a registered BER assessor will cost you the bones of several thousand euro, between course fees, time off work, lap top, registration, insurances etc.


    I have done a rough income/expenditure allowance already and have allowed for course fees etc and already have a laptop and ofice equipment etc, what sort of insurance would i need, What is the charge for a assesment at the moment??

    Time off work should not be a problem to do the course as i still have all my holidays and i was planning on doing the assesments after work until i was sure the business was viable


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭topcatcbr


    read http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055486735

    Note that over 5000 people qualified when origonal estimates required 2000 and training providers are still chuning assessors out. These estimates were done when the properties were booming. These are not the same times.

    The insurance is PI and PL and will cost approx €800 PA


  • Registered Users Posts: 40 legs akimbo.


    According to SEI statistics there are 1750 registered assessors.
    In total 8656 BER certs have been issued in total...does this include those issued to new dwellings pre 09 ?
    There are a further 4898 certified but as yet unregistered assessors.
    There are 250 on average certs being completed per day.

    This means each currently registered assessor completes on average 1 per working seven day week.

    Add to this figure by years end a further 2000 assessors minimum from the total certified and yet to train, with certs issued at a constant of 250 per day
    It is no difficulty to obtain a cert, with only one being produced on average per week per assessor, so the volume of registered assessors will have no effect on the numbers issued but a massive effect on prices charged in a competitive market.

    3,750 assesserors by 2010 = A total of 0.46 BER certs per week per assessor, or two a month:rolleyes:

    On a spend of €5000 (conservative estimate) you will recoup your outlay in about 16 months with prices staying at a present average constant. (they will not)

    Pretty depressing reading, wish I hadnt done that now :eek::(:(:(
    This is of course without, paying yourself for one single second of your time, vehicle, petrol, expenditure tax etc etc for a year and a half.

    Feck I knew I should have put my money into shares of Anglo Irish when I had the chance :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭topcatcbr


    My advise for what its worth is spend your money and time on somthing else. Maybee a good holiday. Because unless you require to do this for your current profession and your employer is paying you will be wasting your money. It is not even a part time business. :( Sorry


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭kick-on


    any idea how much they are charging per cert at the mo????
    im sure its a case of who you know not what you know in regards to this as with all construction work. Is the energy rating being enforced at all??


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 nodenrg


    Do you have a Level 6 construction related qualification?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭Slig


    nodenrg wrote: »
    Do you have a Level 6 construction related qualification?

    When has that mattered before?:rolleyes:
    The average cost of a cert seems to be about €200 - €300 per dwelling


  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭dunie001


    When has that mattered before?rolleyes.gif
    The average cost of a cert seems to be about €200 - €300 per dwelling

    It matters because in order to register with SEI, you are supposed to have a background in construction...not a degree/diploma as such but a background in construction all the same. Also, it's easier to prove compliance with a degree/diploma than trying to prove experience with no degree.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭kick-on


    Yep, i have a ordinary degree, Currently completing a higher degree so taught it could be a handy sideline like!!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭dunie001


    at least you're studying during a recession! you might have some hope of a job when you finish!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭topcatcbr


    For those hoping to do this course to make a living doing BERs please read

    Mail sent to BER training providers from SEI

    SEI requires that all training providers prominently quote the paragraph below outlining the current number of registered and certified assessors on all their marketing and promotional material. This must be updated to reflect the most recent assessor numbers - please refer to the monthly report on the SEI website.

    "As of the 13th of February 2009 there were over 1,818 registered assessors. A total of 4,898 people (including those currently registered) have successfully completed BER Assessor training courses. It is expected that some proportion of these qualified people can be expected to go on to register with SEI. SEI estimates that the equivalent of 1,000 full time active BER assessors would be required to meet the demands of the residential BER market."


  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭dunie001


    just to add to topcatcbr above...

    When I registered with SEI less than two months ago there were only 5 BER assessors in Leitrim...now there are 18!!!

    Where the hell is all the work going to come from to keep up us all above board???? In leitrim! madness!


  • Registered Users Posts: 46,091 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    dunie001 wrote: »
    there were only 5 BER assessors in Leitrim
    Never heard of the place


  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭dunie001


    Ah sure t'is a beautiful spot! with mountains and rivers and lots and lots of bogs!!! he he he! but unfortunately not a lot of houses!!!:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭kodak


    I think I heard some where that there are nearly 8000 BER assessors and only 9000 certs have being issued this year. :confused:

    correct me if i'm wrong thou!


  • Registered Users Posts: 46,091 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Theres about 2000 registered assessors and probably about the same number or more who have not yet/unable to register with SEI.


  • Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭kodak


    Irish Times -12-feb-09

    However those rumours appear to have been spectacularly unfounded as the 20 or so training courses around the country have been churning out graduates. There are now 1,750 SEI-registered assessors with a further 4,898 non-registered but certified assessors and another 2,000 awaiting certification.

    And just in case we weren’t getting the point, it goes on to boot it home with “the conditions for a healthy competitive market for this service are now very much in place”. SEI says there has been a “significant and sustained” increase in the number of BER assessments being completed and published since January 1st with on average 250 per day, making a total of 8,658 assessments


  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭dunie001


    I keep watching the Oireachtas every night hoping (in vain) that at least one TD or Independant brings up the issue of how they are going to enforce the legislation...i'm still watching and waiting:rolleyes:

    But considering the fact that they can't enforce the banks, building societies, house prices, tax evasion, civil servants, budget etc. etc. I don't see much hope of them discussing BERs...damn!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 mirrorball1


    Hi,

    Thinking of doing the BER course buy wanted to ask a few questons before forking out for it..

    As a BER, are you restricted to working only in area you live or can you operate nationwide?

    Is there a regulated minimum rate for the service or can BER's undercut each other?

    Is there a cap on the amount of BER's operating in each area/county or is it a free for all?

    All info much appreciated!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 46,091 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Ah. Each question is double barreled but here goes.

    1. Travel all you want.

    2. Charge as much or as little as you want.

    3. Free for all AFAIK.

    Im not really into the whole BER set up and Im open to correction on the above but I believe I have answered accurately.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 mirrorball1


    Have to say having no minimum price rate or any form of regulation is a little worrying..
    Surely as the amount of BER's is increasing by the week and there does nt seem to be any cap on the amount of operators out there undercutting is going to become a problem.

    Call me a cynic but looks like the real winners in this scheme is SEI..


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭No6


    Mirrorball take my advice, save your money, take you family on a nice holiday and get something good out of it. There are too many BER assessors and not enough BER's, a lot of people still havn't done any yet miost have done a few but it is definately not the cash cow so training providers would lead you to believe. There are some people doing them so cheap they must be using a photocopier,theres no enforcement and to my mind the whole system is rubbish.


  • Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭engrish?


    No6 wrote: »
    Mirrorball take my advice, save your money, take you family on a nice holiday and get something good out of it. There are too many BER assessors and not enough BER's, a lot of people still havn't done any yet miost have done a few but it is definately not the cash cow so training providers would lead you to believe. There are some people doing them so cheap they must be using a photocopier,theres no enforcement and to my mind the whole system is rubbish.


    Agreed. It is not a profession. I would like to have my €4,000 back if at all possible.

    The only money made in this is by the training providers and the SEI.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 mirrorball1


    cheers for the advice No.6 / Engrish,

    Might take your advice and bring the missus on a holiday instead
    I'm sure there would be no complaints on her side..

    Rang SEI this morning with a few questions and the guy i got talking to seemed a bit of a spoofer to be honest saying there was plenty of opportunities out there etc..

    The whole area seems pretty saturated alright,think i ll give the whole idea a skip..

    btw Engrish if you dont mind me asking.. have you got much work out of it so far?


  • Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭engrish?


    cheers for the advice No.6 / Engrish,

    Might take your advice and bring the missus on a holiday instead
    I'm sure there would be no complaints on her side..

    Rang SEI this morning with a few questions and the guy i got talking to seemed a bit of a spoofer to be honest saying there was plenty of opportunities out there etc..

    The whole area seems pretty saturated alright,think i ll give the whole idea a skip..

    btw Engrish if you dont mind me asking.. have you got much work out of it so far?

    It cost me 4k to do it and I have made about 2k so far. Every euro is hard won!


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,589 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    engrish? wrote: »
    It cost me 4k to do it and I have made about 2k so far. Every euro is hard won!


    2K profit, or 2K income?

    at the moment if i make 50 on an assessment im lucky...


  • Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭engrish?


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    2K profit, or 2K income?

    at the moment if i make 50 on an assessment im lucky...


    About 1800 net. Got a decent bit through word of mouth, has dried up completely now though.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,589 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    engrish? wrote: »
    About 1800 net. Got a decent bit through word of mouth, has dried up completely now though.

    although thats not huge, its actually very good for this business...

    you must have done a fair whack of assessments...

    I have done 11, but am currently doing a development of 19 units...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭engrish?


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    although thats not huge, its actually very good for this business...

    you must have done a fair whack of assessments...

    I have done 11, but am currently doing a development of 19 units...


    yeah gotten a good few but its seriously competitive now.... Do you mind saying how much you are getting per unit for the 19? I am pitching for a group of 21 houses at the moment but they are all over the place. Down to 150 all in


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