For those who choose to write

godspal

Poetics are an essential source for those who choose to write poetry, I get really irritated when I read derivative writing, so heres a list of essays and books people should read before they write another verse:

-Self-Reliance by Ralph Waldo Emerson
-The Poet by Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Thus Spoke Zarathusa by Fredrick Nietzsche
-Tradition and the Individual Talent by T.S. Eliot
-Dada: Art and Anti-Art by Hans Richter
-The Death of the Author by Roland Barthes
-A Few Don'ts by Ezra Pound
-The Manifesto of the Futurist Painters by Various
-Projective Verse by Charles Olson
-In the American Grain by William Carlos Williams

Insect Overlord

Hang on now a minute, let me get my head around that post.

Am I corerect in thinking that you are suggesting that nobody should write anything unless they have read those works? No man or woman should put a pen to paper without spending hours of their time stuck in other artists' philosophies? No artists should express themselves or paint pictures in words without devouring half a rainforest of print?

I'll not be following your advice until I've been given good persuasion for doing so.

godspal

No never said that, I said no one should be pen to paper if they are going to be derivative. People tend to be very mailable to what they consider great. And tbh, I am sick of reading Oscar Wilde, William Wordsworth, John Keats, W.B. Yeats etc. etc. derivative crap! I would like people to aspire to be original.

For Example:
I was at this event where this young fella played the guitar beautifully, the surroundings were very ragged, the atmosphere was chocked full of respect and admiration and the music just washed over me and I began to slip into a trance like state.
Afterwards, however, I felt completely frustrated. Hundreds and Thousands of people have written about music before, in the exact same surroundings and felt the exact same way, and the feeling of "Why bother?!" insipidly reared its head.

And the same question "Why bother?!" arises when I read a lot of aspiring poet's poetry.

el_tiddlero

seeking originality on a planet of billions - i don't fancy your chances.

So lots of people have experienced something that you are experiencing for the first time - the experience is new, novel, original, and unique for you. Sure you could read thousands of times how good something made many different people feel, but would that mean that you had felt it??

There is only one song, but everyone plays it differently.

Permabear

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godspal

donegalfella:
they are original, anybody that is inspired by them tend to be derivative.

el_tiddlero:
i only would like people to aspire, achievement is another story.

Permabear

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Matt Holck

feel free to quote these authors

Running Bing

Matt Holck wrote: »

feel free to quote these authors

I cant even find most of those books on amazon.:rolleyes:

Miranda_McCool

An File wrote: »

Hang on now a minute, let me get my head around that post.

Am I corerect in thinking that you are suggesting that nobody should write anything unless they have read those works? No man or woman should put a pen to paper without spending hours of their time stuck in other artists' philosophies? No artists should express themselves or paint pictures in words without devouring half a rainforest of print?

I'll not be following your advice until I've been given good persuasion for doing so.

Well said. Who does this broad think she is anyway! Write from the heart!

Antilles

godspal wrote: »

Poetics are an essential source for those who choose to write poetry, I get really irritated when I read derivative writing

Wait... I might be overshooting here, but is this an attempt at a troll? Are you intentionally trying to make yourself look like a pompous ass so you can laugh when the little people scramble to tell you to get stuffed? Your list doesn't even have any internal consistancy - it might as well list your top ten "must have" pokemon cards.

Insect Overlord

I'd be very interested in reading something written by such a champion of literature as the OP...

Antilles

OP, I've just read over some of your other threads, and it now seems unlikely you are a troll, so I'll assume your post was serious.

It was also a load of twaddle.

What exactly are you hoping to achieve by posting a list of texts with no information about what in them is in any way useful to a writer? Was the only point of this thread to show off how widely read you are? How much smarter you are than these "derivative" writers you complain about?

Give me a break, OP. There is nothing new under the sun, and that includes writing in all its forms. No writer, in fact nobody in any profession can become great without studying and to some extent imitating the work of those who came before. Even the greatest talent will flounder if it can not learn from the mistakes of past masters. Posts like yours are condescending at best, and downright damaging at worst, as they suggest a novice should not even begin to create art until they have studied their field in depth.

That is codswollop.

Anybody who wants to write poetry would do well to ignore your post in its entirety, and just get on with the task at hand. Reading up on the field will improve the quality of a writer's work, and anybody hoping to be great would do well to study the theory, but it is far from the requirement you describe.

Antilles

An File wrote: »

I'd be very interested in reading something written by such a champion of literature as the OP...

You pompous ass. Unless you have read everything on the above list, what makes you think you could understand anything as original and intellectually stimulating as OP's poetry?

Miranda_McCool

Antilles wrote: »

You pompous ass. Unless you have read everything on the above list, what makes you think you could understand anything as original and intellectually stimulating as OP's poetry?

I do hope you were aiming for irony...otherwise, go and join the OP as his senselessly degrades literary geniuses...and while you're there, don't get too lonely...LOL

Antilles

Miranda_McCool wrote: »

I do hope you were aiming for irony...otherwise, go and join the OP as his senselessly degrades literary geniuses...and while you're there, don't get too lonely...LOL

I had hoped the disconnect between my response to An Fhile and my responses to the OP would make that clear. I will leave interpretation as an exercise for the reader

Insect Overlord

Miranda_McCool wrote: »

I do hope you were aiming for irony...otherwise, go and join the OP as his senselessly degrades literary geniuses...and while you're there, don't get too lonely...LOL

It's fine Miranda, I'm pretty sure it was for ironic effect. I thanked the post, so I know at least I found it funny

Miranda_McCool

Antilles wrote: »

I had hoped the disconnect between my response to An Fhile and my responses to the OP would make that clear. I will leave interpretation as an exercise for the reader

sorry, i just read that post on its own. its hard reading entire threads....especially if you are having sex at the same time as posting. So yeah, I was busy...aahhh, multi-tasking. :P

Antilles

Miranda_McCool wrote: »

sorry, i just read that post on its own. its hard reading entire threads....especially if you are having sex at the same time as posting. So yeah, I was busy...aahhh, multi-tasking. :P

Erotics are an essential source for those who choose to have sex, I get really irritated when I see derivative shagging, so heres a list of essays and books people should read before they rock another casbah:

-Kama Sutra by Vatsyayan
-Ananga Ranga by Kalyana Malla
-Song of Songs by Solomon
-The Joy of Sex by Alex Comfort