Without demand management, Wind Turbines in Do Nothing for Emissions-Reduction

Húrin

According to the Spiegel:

Wind Turbines in Europe Do Nothing for Emissions-Reduction Goals

By Anselm Waldermann

Despite Europe's boom in solar and wind energy, CO2 emissions haven't been reduced by even a single gram. Now, even the Green Party is taking a new look at the issue -- as shown in e-mails obtained by SPIEGEL ONLINE.

Germany's renewable energy companies are a tremendous success story. Roughly 15 percent of the country's electricity comes from solar, wind or biomass facilities, almost 250,000 jobs have been created and the net worth of the business is €35 billion per year.

But there's a catch: The climate hasn't in fact profited from these developments. As astonishing as it may sound, the new wind turbines and solar cells haven't prohibited the emission of even a single gram of CO2.

REUTERS

Under current EU law, German wind turbines aren't helping to reduce CO2 emissions. They simply allow Eastern European countries to pollute more.


Even more surprising, the European Union's own climate change policies, touted as the most progressive in the world, are to blame. The EU-wide emissions trading system determines the total amount of CO2 that can be emitted by power companies and industries. And this amount doesn't change -- no matter how many wind turbines are erected.

Experts have known about this situation for some time, but it still isn't widely known to the public. Even Germany's government officials mention it only under their breath. No one wants to discuss the political ramifications.

It's a sensitive subject: Germany is recognized worldwide as a leader in all things related to renewable energy. The environmental energy sector doesn't want this image to be tarnished. Under no circumstances does Berlin want the Renewable Energy Law (EEG) -- which mandates the prices at which energy companies have to buy green power -- to fall into disrepute.

At the same time, big energy companies have an interest in maintaining the status quo. As a result, no one is pushing for change. Everyone involved is remaining silent.

That's just the introduction. Read more here
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,606763,00.html

It demonstrates how this needs to be made a high-profile, contentious political issue - we can't leave it to the politicians. Without reductions in energy demand, renewables merely exist to fill in energy supply growth.

BendiBus

What it actually suggests is that CO2 emission certs are ineffective in reducing CO2 emissions. And if the level of CO2 certs remains static or increases then this would possibly be true. Although given enough value, most countries would be aiming to be sellers rather than buyers, resulding in an actual decrease in emissions.

There was no need for you to repeat the cheap attention grabbing headline.

derry

BendiBus wrote: »

What it actually suggests is that CO2 emission certs are ineffective in reducing CO2 emissions. And if the level of CO2 certs remains static or increases then this would possibly be true. Although given enough value, most countries would be aiming to be sellers rather than buyers, resulding in an actual decrease in emissions.

There was no need for you to repeat the cheap attention grabbing headline.

Damm right he should shout from the roof tops.Get real when reputable scientist Like David Bellamy who said a similar thing on BBC in the early 90,s he got ostrasised by the BBC and the CO2 agenda driven envirementalists who want to keep this false science CO2 afloat

Look who makes the cash as the CO2 Brokers who trade the the CO2 emmisions .Those guy make the money and they also have the big jobs in the UN which set the CO2 emmisions rates .Follow the money trail and then you will see CO2 is goona cook our goose was invented only to make thee CO2 traders richer
Non so blind as those that cant see as they trundell towards the showers marked arbiet maken frie

Look the so called hero of CO2 Al Gore who in 1992 had $2 million .Now he has $100 from his CO2 reducing industry most which are CO2 broker offices.
When the new laws in the Obama are enacted he will make a killing from this false science

So if you think Obama is any different wake up smell the coffe .The USA is single party state with two factions .The canditates are chosen a long way in advance by the super rich who pump billions into junk science CO2 global warming so they can tax how much air we breathe.

The red indians summed it up best white man speaks with forked toungue

Here is the wise man of indian reserve of Lakotah using oral wisdom of Lakotah who says Obama is set to kill of the last of the red Indians who survived the last red indian culls as they fight to save thier enviorment from the big busness

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb1_1233635476

http://www.republicoflakotah.com/?p=1210

if you want to sign up for CO2 and pay tax for every breath of air you take then your a thicko
So what happens when you cant pay the tax they bump you off like they do the Red Indians .
Dont expect the the Brits to be any better they killed 2 million Irish in a Famine so they are the experts that showed the USA how to fool the Thicko , before you bump him off to steal his country or reservation.
The Germans are playing catch up after a false start with Hitler.
Only the memory of revoltion in France keeps them in check for now but the French lost sovernty when the Hungarian drop in took them against thier wishes into the Lisbon sovernty sell out. Now he is set to make France a neo fachist system.Look the french navy infringment into Howth ROI a few months back
http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2008/pc/pod-v-260908-28m32s-liveline.mp3
A french war spy ship passed directly over our telephone links cables that go to europe.
Not even a whimper from the FF regime who sold your ass


Thats not to say I am anti wind mills ,I like them for the energy they produce but even the touchy feely greeny Germans are seeing through this CO2 scam


Make no mistake these snake poision CO2 global warming false science are far worse for thier desire to cull the world population and ROI having suffered a 2 mllion hit know how bad these bastards can be

Voting yes to CO2 tax is like turkeys voting for christmas

Derry