Workers Solidarity Movement: Limerick Public Meeting: Feb 12, 8pm

TheDriller

Hi,
for anyone interested, the WSM is holding a public meeting in the Absolute Hotel, Thursday 12th of February, 8pm

Capitalism is Failing ... Anarchism Is Fighting Back!!!

They got us into this mess but now they want us to pay the price for it too!

With the economic crisis now in full swing, anarchists are arguing for fundamental change and an end to capitalism. How can we achieve this and how should the new society be organised?

Where: Absolute Hotel, Sir Harry's Mall, Limerick

When: Thurs, Feb 12th, at 8 pm


Come along to this meeting for all those in the Limerick and Clare areas. It is part of an ongoing national organising tour by anarchists in the WSM to promote our ideas and the need to build for a revolution.

Pass the word on to anyone you think might be interested in getting along. For further info contact Shane at limerickwsm@gmail.com



http://www.wsm.ie/story/5084

cancan

nothing like a good old recession to bring the fruitcakes out

anoble66

+1

bazz26

lol

billy the squid

How is order maintained at an anarchists meeting?

Ardscoil Ris

TheDriller wrote: »

How can we achieve this and how should the new society be organised?

Isn't that a contradiction since anarchy basically represents chaos.

Anyway, enough of my seriousness. Have fun at the spastic convention.

ninty9er

What part of the failure of anarchy don't you understand

You fvck your employer a la Waterford Crystal workers for the last 15 years by holding it to ransom in YOUR interest, they eventually can no longer afford to pay your salary (which ironically is closer to that of a TD than the average industrial wage), and you drive away any hope of finding someone to keep the company afloat by making a nuisance of yourself.

Is it any wonder Waterford is a basket case city with bull5hit like that. At least by accepting Dell no longer has a use for them, the 1900 people to be laid off there have exponentially increased the chances of being employed in the same industry again....and they weren't paid half as well in the first place.

Socialism at it's best:rolleyes:

Is it any wonder employers are coming to see this country more undesirably.

If you want to riot and make a fuss...move to France, work a 35 hour week occasionally and have fun with the wildcat strikes.

I on the other hand will be here in Ireland where workers rights are amongst the best protected in the world if only the useless union leaders weren't too busy minding their cushy 6 figure salaries to actually represent the people that pay them.

My experience

Unions are useless
A time may come when you and your employer no longer see eye to eye

ergo
Build a fvking bridge...get over it...and go work for minimum wage until something else comes along like everybody else.

It's all this anarchist sh1te that has this country ruined. Whatever about banks and guarantees and recapitalisation....that money is coming back to the exchequer, what can anarchy offer?? The dole?

ninty9er

To the people with their heads screwed on...apologies for the above rant.

billy the squid

ninty9er wrote: »

What part of the failure of anarchy don't you understand

You fvck your employer a la Waterford Crystal workers for the last 15 years by holding it to ransom in YOUR interest, they eventually can no longer afford to pay your salary (which ironically is closer to that of a TD than the average industrial wage), and you drive away any hope of finding someone to keep the company afloat by making a nuisance of yourself.

Kindly get your facts straignt ninetyniner. those involved in the waterford crystal dispute were trade unionists, not anarchists.

Is it any wonder Waterford is a basket case city with bull5hit like that. At least by accepting Dell no longer has a use for them, the 1900 people to be laid off there have exponentially increased the chances of being employed in the same industry again....and they weren't paid half as well in the first place.

Socialism at it's best:rolleyes:

Not being able to tell the difference between socialism and anarchism astounds me given your political background.

Is it any wonder employers are coming to see this country more undesirably.

If you want to riot and make a fuss...move to France, work a 35 hour week occasionally and have fun with the wildcat strikes.

The presence of trade unionists didn't cause companies to leave this country, Poland is a far more unionised country than Ireland. It was the high cost of living, combined with the collapse in the global economy, which I might add, was brought about by banks over-lending to people who could not afford to pay back those loans.

Again, get your facts straight.

I on the other hand will be here in Ireland where workers rights are amongst the best protected in the world if only the useless union leaders weren't too busy minding their cushy 6 figure salaries to actually represent the people that pay them.

My experience

Unions are useless
A time may come when you and your employer no longer see eye to eye

ergo
Build a fvking bridge...get over it...and go work for minimum wage until something else comes along like everybody else.

It's all this anarchist sh1te that has this country ruined. Whatever about banks and guarantees and recapitalisation....that money is coming back to the exchequer, what can anarchy offer?? The dole?

The 515,000 Willie O Dea spent on the private jet isn't coming back to the exchequer is it? Your own party are adept at both wasting money and fcuking the country over. What is it that jesus guy said, before you comment on the splinter in my eye, have a look at the plank in your own.

I'm no anarchist supporter, but if there is one thing i hate it is someone who spouts lies and misinformation about a political ideology which differs to their own.

DublinWriter

Workers Solidarity Movement? At least they're not that other Movement for Workers Solidarity...splitters.

concussion

Willie O'Dea has a private jet??

Sunn

ninty9er wrote: »

What part of the failure of anarchy don't you understand

You fvck your employer a la Waterford Crystal workers for the last 15 years by holding it to ransom in YOUR interest, they eventually can no longer afford to pay your salary (which ironically is closer to that of a TD than the average industrial wage), and you drive away any hope of finding someone to keep the company afloat by making a nuisance of yourself.

Is it any wonder Waterford is a basket case city with bull5hit like that. At least by accepting Dell no longer has a use for them, the 1900 people to be laid off there have exponentially increased the chances of being employed in the same industry again....and they weren't paid half as well in the first place.

Socialism at it's best:rolleyes:

Is it any wonder employers are coming to see this country more undesirably.

If you want to riot and make a fuss...move to France, work a 35 hour week occasionally and have fun with the wildcat strikes.

I on the other hand will be here in Ireland where workers rights are amongst the best protected in the world if only the useless union leaders weren't too busy minding their cushy 6 figure salaries to actually represent the people that pay them.

My experience

Unions are useless
A time may come when you and your employer no longer see eye to eye

ergo
Build a fvking bridge...get over it...and go work for minimum wage until something else comes along like everybody else.

It's all this anarchist sh1te that has this country ruined. Whatever about banks and guarantees and recapitalisation....that money is coming back to the exchequer, what can anarchy offer?? The dole?

There would be no dole in an anarchist system...as there would be no state. I should also point out that eventually a truly socialized system would do away with all forms of monetary interaction as there would be no need for it.


*waits for ninty9er's head to explode!

krudler

Organised anarchists? isnt that a bit contradictory?

Ardscoil Ris

krudler wrote: »

Organised anarchists? isnt that a bit contradictory?

I already pointed that out

bazz26

Splitters.

Casperbhoy

bazz26 wrote: »

Splitters.

"Are you the Judian's people's front?" "No! We're the people's front of Judia!":pac:

Go sell crazy somewhere else, we are all stocked up here:rolleyes:

ninty9er

billy the squid wrote: »

Kindly get your facts straignt ninetyniner. those involved in the waterford crystal dispute were trade unionists, not anarchists.

Spot the difference. Setting out to sh1t on your employer is is the same difference

billy the squid wrote: »

Not being able to tell the difference between socialism and anarchism astounds me given your political background.

Article title espouses anarchism, however take a closer look at the website linked

billy the squid wrote: »

The presence of trade unionists didn't cause companies to leave this country, Poland is a far more unionised country than Ireland. It was the high cost of living, combined with the collapse in the global economy, which I might add, was brought about by banks over-lending to people who could not afford to pay back those loans.

Again, get your facts straight.

Poland is far more unionised, which is Why Dell has already had industrial unrest there and kept Raheen as long as it did. The rise of unions= the end of FDI, which in itself isn't entirely bad, but for us, right now, it is. Social partnership brought FDI to this country with forecastable wage and other costs.

The other issue is one for those who overstretched themselves....that's obviously anyone's fault but theirs though:rolleyes:

billy the squid wrote: »

The 515,000 Willie O Dea spent on the private jet isn't coming back to the exchequer is it? Your own party are adept at both wasting money and fcuking the country over. What is it that jesus guy said, before you comment on the splinter in my eye, have a look at the plank in your own.

If you want to talk about ****ing the country over, ask everyone with a plasma tv and surround sound system if they even had a VCR 20 years ago...small things like this added together will give your answer fairly sharpish. People have it very good in this country, they just don't know it, or are so anti-government they won't see it. Your comment here being a prime example.

billy the squid wrote: »

I'm no anarchist supporter, but if there is one thing i hate it is someone who spouts lies and misinformation about a political ideology which differs to their own.

What lies...I never stated anything as fact, just the realities of life as I see them.

Insect Overlord

Casperbhoy wrote: »

"Are you the Judian's people's front?" "No! We're the people's front of Judia!":pac:

Go sell crazy somewhere else, we are all stocked up here:rolleyes:

"What about the Popular People's Front?"
"He's over there" *points at OP*

I might be a bit late to the meeting, I'll have to pick up a new pitch-fork and soak some rags in oil for torches.

billy the squid

ninty9er wrote: »

Spot the difference. Setting out to sh1t on your employer is is the same difference

You falsly claimed that those involved in the waterford crystal dispute were anarchists, when they they are not. Before you make that claim again, I would like to bring your attention to a defamation case which took place this week between a participant in a may day demonstration and a national newspaper,

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0211/1233867931727.html

So there is a difference.

As for ****ting on your employer, the receiver of Waterford Crystal made an undertaking to keep the plant open while talks on a buyer were ongoing, he reneged on that undertaking, what were the staff supposed to do? let the furnace cool resulting in an 8 million euro bill for the new owners?

Poland is far more unionised, which is Why Dell has already had industrial unrest there and kept Raheen as long as it did. The rise of unions= the end of FDI, which in itself isn't entirely bad, but for us, right now, it is. Social partnership brought FDI to this country with forecastable wage and other costs.

Firstly , it was the risk of collective bargaining which resulted in the doubling of the cap on Dell employees redundancy package . You seem to have missed that bit, just like lenihan missing the €7bn going into anglo irish a few months ago.

The other issue is one for those who overstretched themselves....that's obviously anyone's fault but theirs though:rolleyes:

If you want to talk about ****ing the country over, ask everyone with a plasma tv and surround sound system if they even had a VCR 20 years ago...small things like this added together will give your answer fairly sharpish. People have it very good in this country, they just don't know it, or are so anti-government they won't see it. Your comment here being a prime example.

And the regulator, appointed by the government was entirely innocent, not to mention the heads of all the other regulatory authorities who were appointed by the government. Comreg, who allowed Latvia overtake us in the telecommunications area being a prime example

What lies...I never stated anything as fact, just the realities of life as I see them.

See the first part of my post for this. you accused the Waterford Crystal protesters of being anarchists, when they are infact members of trade union UNITE.

betonit

whats the average wage of someone in waterford crystal.
whats the average wage of someone in the public sector.

and this is in the worst recession since the 30s.

Can anyone see why we have a problem?

Amazotheamazing

Ninty9er, just so we're clear on this, when the bloody revolution comes I will personally shoot every FF member I can get my hands on. The fact that you are some form of accountant will only make better use of the bullet.

Is this the third time FF have bankrupted the State?

Raiser

Wow - I have seen the civilised face of Anarchy and it is truly awesome :eek:

billy the squid

Amazotheamazing banned for one week. I have issued three infractions and one ban in this thread for innapropriate language, describing others as spastics, lunatics, and whatever will get you a week long ban from here on in.

cooperguy

betonit wrote: »

whats the average wage of someone in waterford crystal.
whats the average wage of someone in the public sector.

and this is in the worst recession since the 30s.

Can anyone see why we have a problem?

How can you possibly compare the 2! The public sector is made up of alot of different professions from Doctors to Senior Civil Servants in Revenue etc. etc. While there was undoubtedly some skilled people in Waterford Crystal they just dont compare

ninty9er

The first line was aimed at The Driller, the second was on the issue of "workers solidarity" not anarchy, though it might have been harsh to claim there is no difference.

As for taking a sh1t on your employer, I was not referring to recent events more the raping of WC payroll over the last decade to 2 decades seeing glass blowers earn similar salaries to school principals.

Sunn

ninty9er wrote: »

The first line was aimed at The Driller, the second was on the issue of "workers solidarity" not anarchy, though it might have been harsh to claim there is no difference.

Are you still in the mindset that anarchy means chaos?

As for taking a sh1t on your employer, I was not referring to recent events more the raping of WC payroll over the last decade to 2 decades seeing glass blowers earn similar salaries to school principals.

So highly unique skilled workers shouldn't have a fair wage for the products they actually produce?

Also I'd like to be know what exactly "the failure of anarchy" we don't understand.

cancan

If capitalism failed us, can ye all stop posting on ye're capitalist created computers on the capitalist created internet.

How about the nailing the meeting notice to a tree or something instead?

Bite the hand that feeds and all that.....

And shouldn't all these anarchists be creating factories in limerick to replace all the dell jobs, and paying employees a "fair wage", instead of blaming the world for all your ills? Show us how it's done, lead by example and all that.....

I thought not.

Talking a good game is a lot easier than actually playing one.

Buglim

The WSM can kiss the back of my shaven b*lls. I had an argument in Galway with one of these guys lately and he thought Noam Chomskey was the ex Vice president of the United States.

I swear to God they haven't a clue, everytime they hear the words government, economy, union, USA or their favourite at the moment workers rights, they launch into a tirade of cat poster philosophies and economics.


These people are only dying to drag us back into the 80's.

betonit

Buglim wrote: »

These people are only dying to drag us back into the 80's.

you're wrong!!!! the 30s

johnmacward

krudler wrote: »

Organised anarchists? isnt that a bit contradictory?

Organised Anarchists is not unusual at all - organisation isn't what anarchists find wrong, it's authority. Organisation does not equal authority.

cooperguy

johnmacward wrote: »

Organised Anarchists is not unusual at all - organisation isn't what anarchists find wrong, it's authority. Organisation does not equal authority.

How do you organise without someone in authority to do the organising?

Sunn

cooperguy wrote: »

How do you organise without someone in authority to do the organising?

by participating in a democratic fashion?

This thread is worth a read,

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055009758