bjj/judo/mma crossover?

danlen

i have begun training bjj recently but am going away for 6 weeks on a temporary job. the nearest bjj classes are a 45 minute drive way so i was thinking of doing perhaps judo for the time i am away to keep me going. there is also a mma club nearby. wat is the general opinion of using any of these to 'replace' bjj for my time way.
cheers

Clive

Assuming both clubs are of a similar quality in their respective fields, I'd say that if you're training with the gi go to judo, without it go to the MMA cliub.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Judo and BJJ, opposite sides of the same coin tbh.

Learn a little Judo.

pgibbo

Slightly off topic, but a bit of a follow on from what Mairt said - Has anyone read The Pyjama Game: A Journey into Judo?

I read it on holidays last week and really enjoyed. It touches on the whole Judo & BJJ thing too. I would be interested to hear what practioners of Judo or BJJ that have read it think about the book. Cheers

TKD SC

pgibbo wrote: »

Slightly off topic, but a bit of a follow on from what Mairt said - Has anyone read The Pyjama Game: A Journey into Judo?

I read it on holidays last week and really enjoyed. It touches on the whole Judo & BJJ thing too. I would be interested to hear what practioners of Judo or BJJ that have read it think about the book. Cheers

The amazon book description would make you want to do Judo! Sounds like a good read.

judosean2005

i have been doing judo for about twelve years and i guess i'm pretty handy by now.but i recently joined a MMA class and found that i was lacking certain skills due to lack of wearing gi's.but i still have a competitivr advantage over other people in the class regarding submissions.

mark.leonard

judosean2005 wrote: »

i have been doing judo for about twelve years and i guess i'm pretty handy by now.but i recently joined a MMA class and found that i was lacking certain skills due to lack of wearing gi's.but i still have a competitivr advantage over other people in the class regarding submissions.

I presume its a beginners class?

judosean2005

yea its a beginners class.i would be killed otherwise. the most difficult thing is that i've no striking or kicking done!!

cowzerp

judosean2005 wrote: »

yea its a beginners class.i would be killed otherwise. the most difficult thing is that i've no striking or kicking done!!

I think he was referring to the submissions rather than the striking judosean..

judosean2005

well a judo martial artist has just as many skills in submission than an MMA fighter.its just that a judo fighter wins his fight from dropping a person on his back.if he doesnt he normally follows up with a submission.

Nothingcompares

judosean2005 wrote: »

well a judo martial artist has just as many skills in submission than an MMA fighter.its just that a judo fighter wins his fight from dropping a person on his back.if he doesnt he normally follows up with a submission.

This statement simply isn't true. It depends. You can be doing judo 10 years and not know how to effectively do a triangle, a gillotine choke or a rear naked choke. If someone was doing "MMA" for 6 months and didn't know how to do any of these techniques I'd tell them to move clubs. And that's just knowing the technique and not even trying to apply it in sparring/competition environment which is 90% of the battle.

Secondly, more judo matches are one by pin rather than submission.

cowzerp

judosean2005 wrote: »

well a judo martial artist has just as many skills in submission than an MMA fighter.its just that a judo fighter wins his fight from dropping a person on his back.if he doesnt he normally follows up with a submission.

Sean, there are no guillotine chokes allowed in judo, shoulder locks which are numerous in mma and leg locks which also are numerous..

pretty much your left with chokes and arm bars which are only a small part of judo aswell..

when you get more into it you will learn this for yourself..

im not knocking judo as i've trained some myself and respect it loads.

pgibbo

What do most MMA fighters use for submissions and ground work? Is it BJJ?

Just curious. As the book I referenced above (The Pyjama Game: A Journey into Judo) repeatedly mentions how the Gracies have very poor records against Olympic level Judoka - retired Judoka at that. I must admit that the book is my only reference point and it may be untrue. I know sweet FA about Judo or BJJ and have only recently started watching MMA or UFC. Just because it's in print does not necessarily mean it is factual. I will review the details in the book over the weekend and update here after that.

cowzerp

BJJ would be the prefered method of submission training in MMA, but in countries in eastern europe it would be sambo, and the other thing is Submission wrestling which makes sense as its not done in a Gi which would be a mixture of BJJ, judo, wrestling and sambo-and possibly other submission styled arts..

Personally i dont know any MMA practioners who use Judo for submissions, although some do use it for the takedowns and possibly mount control..

Loosely speaking, most american, brazilian and west european mma guys groundwork is bjj based. Japan and east europe is a bit different.

BJJ lends it more itself more easily to MMA than Judo does, at least for groundwork. Quick standups and ippons via pins in judo have encourage judoka to develop quick submissions, a tendency to turtle, turtle attacks and pinning from the top. The lack of standups in bjj, means there is more focus on submissions from top and complex set-ups,combinations and positional strategy. Leglocks are also something BJJ has more of.

judosean2005

ok i understand that in BJJ you learn certain armlocks and strangles at an early stage in beginners class. but i think that people when they think of judo they think of competitive judo not the natural form of judo. in natural judo you can use the guillitine, triangles,ankle locks. pretty much everything in BJJ. but everyone is entitled to their own perseption.

Nothingcompares

It's not important what are written on scrolls, in old books, in distant katas or in a syllabus created 100 years ago. What's important are the techniques thought on a daily basis and the associated training method. Kempo Karate and "classical" Jujutsu may incorporate armlocks, strangles, chokes, leg locks, heel hooks, neck cranks, eye gouges, a range of take downs and throws, punches, kicks, defence against umbrellas this doesn't make them effective in MMA. Doing a leg lock once in your martial arts life will not make you effective at using leg locks in any scenario. Learning a leg lock, drilling it, repeating this process, trying in sparring, failing in sparring to apply it, eventually learning to do it against a range of opponents is how you learn how to leg lock.

It's a moot point saying leglocks are contained in the judo syllabus, they're almost never used (0.00001% of your judo training will cover leglocks). If I wanted to learn leg locks I'd train in a sambo or bjj club with people that know them.

I've never heard an Irish judo guy say he's good at leg locks.