Cash in hand jobs?

oldscoil

Whooooaaaa whoooooooaaaaa whoooooooooaa,

Hang on
Hang on

First of all this is not a post about money for hand jobs!!!

The reccession isn't that bad ...................yet!!!

Nor am I soliciting any work or employment that doesn't include paxing taxes.

Instead I am wondering if cash in hand employment still exists.
Back in the day it was regular enough to claim your dole and have a lill' somethin somethin on the side. Fair enough the dole was sh1t back then, and the wages in your job were equly sh1t.

However the two together were enough to for a few LCL Pils on a satuerday night and enough Bad Dublin Hash to make you think UB40 are worth listening to.

So does anyone know if this still goes on, I'm not looking for specific details, just a yes / no, "a mate of mine" etc etc etc

Cheers Folks.

Mrs OBumble

No. Irish attitudes to corruption and tax-evasion have changed totally in the last 20 years.. All people now realise that they are honour-bound to pay tax on all their income, and to have their welfare payments adjusted to take account of all income they receive, no matter what the source.


:rolleyes:

Morlar

JustMary wrote: »

No. Irish attitudes to corruption and tax-evasion have changed totally in the last 20 years..

Couldnt agree more - the black economy didnt flourish in the boom years though it still exsists its much more marginalised than it used to be.

I think the way public perception changed is every bit as severe as the shift in the public perception of say . .. drink driving. A lot of people nowadays would have no problem with reporting it whereas before many turned a blind eye to it. Specially considering the dole now is far more generous and no-one likes paying someone to take the piss out of them.

the_syco

Morlar wrote: »

Couldnt agree more - the black economy didnt flourish in the boom years though it still exsists its much more marginalised than it used to be.

Black market, as such, flourished. Esp on the building sites.

Glacier

Has anyone actually been able to find something like that recently, I don't even mean the tax thing, I mean just a part-time job for quick easy money?

Morlar

the_syco wrote: »

Black market, as such, flourished. Esp on the building sites.

And yet we had almost complete employment.

Maybe a lot of that was down to Poles/non Irish who were not getting counted in employment statistics ?

In any event it did not 'flourish' in my opinion.

Glacier

Well?

Orla K

It does still go on everywhere.

I had a cash in hand job from a primary school last summer. My brother had another cash in hand job there too, painting railings and things like that, where as I was designing and painting banners.

Also I'm getting my car fixed, I went to two garages, the cheapest was €500-€600 which is probably more than the car is worth. I went to my father because he knows people and I'm getting it fixed for half the price, I'm fairly sure that'll be tax free money for them.

I think for cash in hand jobs it's not as much what you know it's who. My brother got the job in the school because he nearly lives in the principals house, he's friends with there son. I got the job there partly because of my brother but mostly because of someone else who was working officially in there but didn't have enough time to do them and suggested me. It was bit funny because the principal had the 'we never had this conversation' conversation.

Winters

Revenue.ie really need a big button on their site for reporting tax fraud for this sort of stuff.

Agent Smith

oldscoil wrote: »

Whooooaaaa whoooooooaaaaa whoooooooooaa,

Hang on
Hang on

First of all this is not a post about money for hand jobs!!!

Thread disappoints :pac:

thieveslikeus

I work weekends cash in hand in a bar. Not saying which one but its south dublin. I would say that approx half the staff are cash in hand but I dont know for sure as its not really discussed. Suits me well as I'm struggling with the mortgage, car loan, etc and having a second job which is taxable is pretty much pointless. I dont feel bad about it, I do pay substantial tax on my 9 - 5 and get very little back for this. Just trying to make ends meet.

I know other people that do take away deliveries for cash in hand and I would suspect that most taxi drivers only declare a fraction of their earnings to the tax man although this is pure speculation.

mikemac

thieveslikeus wrote: »

I know other people that do take away deliveries for cash in hand

Of course it happens but what's more serious is many (most?) are driving uninsured. As if you are not using your car for commuting or pleasure and you don't declare you're doing delivery then you've basically lied to the insurance company

MysticalSoul

Hairdressers, makeup artists, beauticians etc who do nixers

oldscoil

mikemac wrote: »

Of course it happens but what's more serious is many (most?) are driving uninsured. As if you are not using your car for commuting or pleasure and you don't declare you're doing delivery then you've basically lied to the insurance company

Yeah, and the last thing you wanna do is to lie to your insurance company!

Think how mad Hibernian are gonna be when they have to travel back from Bangalore to b0ll0ck you about it!! :P

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

irishamethyst wrote: »

Hairdressers, makeup artists, beauticians etc who do nixers

Well, anyone who does nixers, and that is one massive long list.

If someone has a part time job making an extra 100 quid a week I wouldn't have a problem with it. Trying to keep his family fed and all that, I say leave the poor chap alone. The fat cat evading hundreds of thousands in tax is the ones we should be worried about.

I am sure a lot of ye have got money for a job, no matter how small it is, and hasn't declared it.

Wishbone Ash

irishamethyst wrote: »

Hairdressers, makeup artists, beauticians etc who do nixers

I think the OP is referring to employers who pay 'cash in hand' rather than hairdressers etc. who do nixers at their own risk in their own time.

oldscoil

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I think the OP is referring to employers who pay 'cash in hand' rather than hairdressers etc. who do nixers at their own risk in their own time.

Thanks Wishbone.

And thanks to everyone that replied.

But indeed was talking about having a full time cash in hand job, as appossed to helping someone out at the weekend.

My original post was to see if I can still keep my head above water if I end up on the dole.

Rwegarding the morality of it....thats a completely different thread IMO.

However anyone that stands in the way of me paying my mortgage or jepordises what me and my girlfriend have worked long and hard for...... can expect a good throat slittin' :pac: ....seriously!!!

Thanks Folks

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

oldscoil wrote: »

Thanks Wishbone.

And thanks to everyone that replied.

But indeed was talking about having a full time cash in hand job, as appossed to helping someone out at the weekend.

My original post was to see if I can still keep my head above water if I end up on the dole.

Rwegarding the morality of it....thats a completely different thread IMO.

However anyone that stands in the way of me paying my mortgage or jepordises what me and my girlfriend have worked long and hard for...... can expect a good throat slittin' :pac: ....seriously!!!

Thanks Folks

Shouldn't live outside your means either mate.

oldscoil

Lachlan Uptight Eagle wrote: »

Shouldn't live outside your means either mate.

Please explain what THE FCUK YOU MEAN by that MATE!!!

Having a mortgage is living outside your means?

So if i loose my job and can't afford my payments, which are average, i should go back to living at home!!!

Mrs OBumble

oldscoil wrote: »

Think how mad Hibernian are gonna be when they have to travel back from Bangalore to b0ll0ck you about it!! :P

They don't get mad, they get even and refuse to pay your claim. And refuse to insure you any more. And so do the other companies who ask "have you ever been refused insurance? any why was that".

Mrs OBumble

oldscoil wrote: »

Please explain what THE FCUK YOU MEAN by that MATE!!!

Having a mortgage is living outside your means?

So if i loose my job and can't afford my payments, which are average, i should go back to living at home!!!

No necessarily.

Firstly, if your payments are so high that being unemployed for a few months would see you unable to make the, then you should definitely have mortgage-protection insurance. Yes this is expensive. But you should have thought about this back when you were taking out the mortgage.

Secondly, you need to consider all options. Can you rent the house out and live somewhere cheaper yourself? (Yes, that may include with relatives). Can you rent out some bedrooms? Can your girlfriend cover the payments for a few months? Can you look for a second job now, to help tide you over? Can you cut back your lifestyle now, in order to save some cash? (we're paying E-30/week for groceries for two at the moment, could cut that back to 25 or even 20 if we cut back nice stuff even further, do you know what you're spending?)

Looking for illegal work isn't the way to solve your problems. It will only cause you even more problems than you already have.

oldscoil

Thanks Mary.

That was really helpful info, and I have seriously cut down on unnecessary expense, cans of guiness, cigs, restaurants. etc etc.


I may be in touch with you later in the year :pac:

I was just furios at a fcuking ignorant smug statement like
"Shouldn't live outside your means either mate."

WHO THE FCUK ARE YOU Iamxavier.

Do you know me,or how I live.

I'm certainly not your fcukin mate!!!

Help and information is how and why these boards work.

Keep your stupid fcukin opinions about people's personal lives to yourself!!!

tbh

oldscoil wrote: »

Please explain what THE FCUK YOU MEAN by that MATE!!!

Having a mortgage is living outside your means?

So if i loose my job and can't afford my payments, which are average, i should go back to living at home!!!

if you cant afford a mortgage, then by definition it is living outside your means.

sNarah

Still happens big time!

A mate of mine is officialy a student, gets a grant for that, claims the dole (coz he can't work during his college and has worked years before) AND works on building sites etc cash in hand! He's the richest fekker of us all!

So as long as you know how to play, it can and does still happen the good auld cash in the hand...

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

oldscoil wrote: »

Please explain what THE FCUK YOU MEAN by that MATE!!!

Having a mortgage is living outside your means?

So if i loose my job and can't afford my payments, which are average, i should go back to living at home!!!

Well if you cannot afford your mortgage then you are living outside your means, I didn't suggest anything really. Have you PPP on your mortgage payments? If no then it is really your own tough.

If you cannot pay for your house, then why should you get to keep it? I don't wish you to lose your house, but it's not yours if you are paying a mortgage. Not yet.

oldscoil wrote: »

Thanks Mary.

That was really helpful info, and I have seriously cut down on unnecessary expense, cans of guiness, cigs, restaurants. etc etc.


I may be in touch with you later in the year :pac:

I was just furios at a fcuking ignorant smug statement like
"Shouldn't live outside your means either mate."

WHO THE FCUK ARE YOU Iamxavier.

Do you know me,or how I live.

I'm certainly not your fcukin mate!!!

Help and information is how and why these boards work.

Keep your stupid fcukin opinions about people's personal lives to yourself!!!

There is no need for personal abuse, you are not the only one with a problem in this current economic status. I don't take kindly to abusive PM's either.

As I have highlighted, instead of cutting down, why not cut out altogether? If you are in so much trouble with mortgage payments then I suggest you cut out all unneccisary expenditure. This will only add to your problems.

I am Iamxavier, I am posting advice for you. You don't have to take it, not at all. If you cannot afford something then you are outside of your means, and should seriously consider another option.

I suggest calling your bank and explaining your situation. Call mabs and seek advice from them too. This may very well end up in court if you cannot pay for your mortgage, I would explain that this is very temporary and you have every hope that you will get more work. They may be sympathetic with your case.

I wouldn't reccomend doing cash in hand jobs, it's illegal. If I found you out I would report you for it

Highsider

Can pull down at least three hundred for two nights work in the bar trade. Picked up a few nixers when i was out of work last year. Just have to know the right clubs/bars etc..

Thoie

Just in case you're not aware of it, you can apply to the HSE for help with your mortgage payments as well.

I haven't heard of any full time cash in hand jobs in the last 10-15 years, though I'm sure some exist. If you want to be a bit entrepreneurial think about things like cutting lawns, washing windows etc.

Dudess

Morlar wrote: »

Couldnt agree more - the black economy didnt flourish in the boom years

And why do you think that was? Hint: there was a lot of money in the country.

JustMary wrote: »

No. Irish attitudes to corruption and tax-evasion have changed totally in the last 20 years.. All people now realise that they are honour-bound to pay tax on all their income, and to have their welfare payments adjusted to take account of all income they receive, no matter what the source.


:rolleyes:

I don't understand the condescension. I wouldn't be a fan of people claiming dole and working enough hours to live on that alone, but really, there's a massive difference between that and someone doing one or two weekend shifts in a bar when that's all they can get in the line of work, plus dole.

irishbrain

Some people say that childminders commonly look after up to five children in their homes at €40 per day each over 5 days and take in €1000 p/w tax free on top of the dole money and while the husband is out working.

PurpleBerry

Lachlan Uptight Eagle wrote: »

Shouldn't live outside your means either mate.

Oh to live in the same ideal world as you...

Meanwhile, back here in Reality, the assistance provided by the Government in times when you've, often through no fault of your own, lost your only source of income is €204 a week. Divide that by a) mortgage payments / rent b) utilities such as gas, electricity et cetra and c) food.

That's not taking into consideration any other payments such as repaying car loans or other debts, nothing fancy like hobbies or any other luxurious unnecessaries, just day to day living.

John Mason

i have a cash in had job for the last 4 years, as well as my full time job

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Neesa wrote: »

Oh to live in the same ideal world as you...

Meanwhile, back here in Reality, the assistance provided by the Government in times when you've, often through no fault of your own, lost your only source of income is €204 a week. Divide that by a) mortgage payments / rent b) utilities such as gas, electricity et cetra and c) food.

That's not taking into consideration any other payments such as repaying car loans or other debts, nothing fancy like hobbies or any other luxurious unnecessaries, just day to day living.

Which is what I am doing at the moment, the internet is my only source of recreation. Through no fault of my own, I am stuck on 204 euro a week too, with car payments, loan payments, rent, food etc etc to pay for. I am not living outside my means though.

There is a reason why people should get PPP, for times like these. People who do not take out PPP are taking a huge risk, it is very very silly to not have protection on your mortgage payments, for this very reason. I can understand people trying to save a little so they can afford something a little bigger, or a little nicer or just something at all, but they took a gamble, they lost.

Irishbrain, it's pretty common, and would be more so with neighbours. We had a woman mind us when we were kids, cash was paid, nothing was said. Now people are too PC, you must have papers and whatnot to be able to mind a child, which is utter crap. 40 euro a day is a bit steep, considering some really good child care centers are 800 a month.