10 bore or 3 half inh wanted

wildfowler

any 1 selling a 10 bore shoot gun or a 3 half inch semi-auto

Grizzly 45

Why not just get a Remmy1100 that handles 3.5 Magnums??
Cheaper by far than a 10GA in ammo,and throws out about as much shot.Remmy and Ithaca used to make 10GA semis but ASFIK they are both discontinued and Ithaca is gone out of biz.

wildfowler

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Why not just get a Remmy1100 that handles 3.5 Magnums??
Cheaper by far than a 10GA in ammo,and throws out about as much shot.Remmy and Ithaca used to make 10GA semis but ASFIK they are both discontinued and Ithaca is gone out of biz.

firend has a remmy 3.5 gets a lot of trouble from it can u recomend another make that wont break the bank.only be using once or 2 a year when go scotland for pinks

Grizzly 45

10 GA will break the bank no matter what.Ammo isnt that common either.Have only ever seen one 10GA here ,that was a SXS in the 1980s.
Google Ithaca guns,and have a look for the Mag 10 shotgun,you might be lucky.What problems is your friend having with the Remmy??They are usually reliable.

José Alaninho

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

What problems is your friend having with the Remmy??They are usually reliable.

+1. Reliable ain't the word. What is the problem out of curiosity?

wildfowler

its been sent away twice to get new parts for it and now it jamms 1 out of every 5 shots. thats not good when u ar sitting on the shore all mournin for 1 skin of gesse to fly over and the gun jams. only has it a year and a half from brand new.

It wasn't me!

Think the Benelli's come with 3.5" chambers. Not cheap, but ultra reliable. You pay for what you get really.

José Alaninho

Pfft.... semis. 870 Super Mag FTW

It wasn't me!

José Alaninho wrote: »

Pfft.... semis. 870 Super Mag FTW

All a matter of taste really. I'd take a good semi before a pump any day, and generally a good double barrel over either. Semi's really come into their own for wildfowling in my opinion. It's the one major reason to have one for me.

José Alaninho

It wasn't me! wrote: »

All a matter of taste really. I'd take a good semi before a pump any day, and generally a good double barrel over either. Semi's really come into their own for wildfowling in my opinion. It's the one major reason to have one for me.

Then again, the OP wouldn't have a problem with jamming if it were a pump IMO. Anyway, forget it. Just my 2 cents.

ayapatrick

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Think the Benelli's come with 3.5" chambers. Not cheap, but ultra reliable. You pay for what you get really.

some of them do! most are 3" but 3.5 are to be found!
Cant go wrong with them!

Grizzly 45

wildfowler wrote: »

its been sent away twice to get new parts for it and now it jamms 1 out of every 5 shots. thats not good when u ar sitting on the shore all mournin for 1 skin of gesse to fly over and the gun jams. only has it a year and a half from brand new.

What kind of ammo is it jamming on?The 3ins or standard ammo.Also high brass or low brass?Remmys can be picky on their fodder.Mine wont function well on Eley low brass clay loads.Anything else no problems..Also who is fixing it and what was breaking??There are some good companies out there that can rework Remmys to clockwork like precision.Scattergun technologies springs to mind.The secret I find is to keep them clean and check for any damage on the gas piston O ring.

J.R.

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Think the Benelli's come with 3.5" chambers. Not cheap, but ultra reliable. You pay for what you get really.

Like Remington Benelli also provide left hand model.........I've the Benelli Montrefeltro ...ultra reliable......has never jammed once in the seven years since new....has fired about 9,000 shells!

wildfowler

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

What kind of ammo is it jamming on?The 3ins or standard ammo.Also high brass or low brass?Remmys can be picky on their fodder.Mine wont function well on Eley low brass clay loads.Anything else no problems..Also who is fixing it and what was breaking??There are some good companies out there that can rework Remmys to clockwork like precision.Scattergun technologies springs to mind.The secret I find is to keep them clean and check for any damage on the gas piston O ring.

it was eley 5 36 grams hav'nt fired any 3inh out of it in a while. the dealer he got it from sent it away to be fixed it was something got to do with the trigger.he is lookin for a hand piece for it at the moment. its a remmy 11-87 super magnum

Grizzly 45

Did a google on problems with this model.
FORGET trying to shoot lightweight loads out of these.It is 2 3/4 in minimum, optimal 3in ,best 3.5in loads.
If the trigger is acting up,the dealer if he is an authorised Remmy dealer should just order up an entire trigger group and replace and test fire it.Also they seem to be as little to no oil as possible.IOW they just need a wipe down of the parts with an oily rag,nothing more.
A "hand piece"?? Forend I assume?

wildfowler

thats the piece

foxhunter

The Beretta Extrema II is 3.5" chambered there should be some s/hand ones on the market by now.

Vegeta

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Think the Benelli's come with 3.5" chambers. Not cheap, but ultra reliable. You pay for what you get really.

I have a Benelli SBE II and it is a picky gun to say the least. Fine for fowling as you feed it heavy carts but bring it clay shooting and it will break your heart

My brother had the original SBE and it was the very same.

Also it has a little annoying feature that if the bolt is not closed with force the gun will not fire. Nothing worse than raising the gun, swinging through and then "click". This is a pain in the hole if you are trying to stalk a ditch and need to close the bolt quietly.

Saying that I think they are the best handling semi on the market but not the most reliable.

I think Beretta have that one nailed with the Xtrema II (have had 2 between my brother and me) and never had a single jam in probably 10k carts. I regret trading mine. The Beretta is more of a lump than the Benelli though, doesn't handle as well and is not as well balanced.

Both are expensive though.

There was a winchester sx3 in the for sale section there last week, are they 3.5" mag (on inspection of the add it seems so) does anyone know if they are reliable. It was going for very decent money.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055480529

It wasn't me!

I saw a review of their upscale model recently and it was extremely flattering, so I doubt their basic gun can be at all bad. (Must admit I looked at it with a buyer's eye; a good semi sounds very nice and practical these days)

dimebag249

I think the problem has been correctly pointed out by Grizzly and Vegeta. A lot of the super magnum automatics aren't designed to reliably cycle regular loads, at least not without altering the gas system.

I think Jose has pointed out the solution too. If you want to get a shotgun that will reliably cycle loads from 24 gram clay, to 64 gram turkey loads, get a pump action with 3 1/2 inch chambers. Benelli Nova and Supernova, Remington 870 Supermagnum or Mossberg 835 should all do the job. They should all be cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than an automatic too.

Grizzly 45

If you are looking for a fore end just google it on the net.There are simply oodles of shops in the uS that have this in any price bracket,new 2nd hand etc. Not the hardest bit to get.

fathersymes

For a 10bore I'd give Peter McGee in Newport Mayo (098 41247) a call, he always has a few.

Vegeta

dimebag249 wrote: »

I think the problem has been correctly pointed out by Grizzly and Vegeta. A lot of the super magnum automatics aren't designed to reliably cycle regular loads, at least not without altering the gas system.

The semi auto Benellis have an inertia system.

The Berettas use a gas system and I have to say of the 2 we've owned (both XtremeII) we have never had a jam and that's gone from 24gram clay carts on a 50 bird sporting set up to shooting geese on the shore with heavy magnums (up to 64 gram but the ones we had were not great carts so we used 56gram more often). Guns were cleaned about once a season.

For reliability I would definitely recommend a pump over my Benelli anyway. I couldn't recommend one over the Berettas though as they have a 100% cycle record for us.

If I can scrape the pennies together this year I will be changing my shotgun back to a Beretta.

A long list of things to buy before then though. Unfortunately most of them are for a house and not shooting/hunting related

wildfowler

Vegeta wrote: »

The semi auto Benellis have an inertia system.

The Berettas use a gas system and I have to say of the 2 we've owned (both XtremeII) we have never had a jam and that's gone from 24gram clay carts on a 50 bird sporting set up to shooting geese on the shore with heavy magnums (up to 64 gram but the ones we had were not great carts so we used 56gram more often). Guns were cleaned about once a season.

For reliability I would definitely recommend a pump over my Benelli anyway. I couldn't recommend one over the Berettas though as they have a 100% cycle record for us.

If I can scrape the pennies together this year I will be changing my shotgun back to a Beretta.

A long list of things to buy before then though. Unfortunately most of them are for a house and not shooting/hunting related

im in the same boat house has to come first and gettin married in march. unless i just go and buy a beretta and dont tell herself about but if she found out i couldnt be listen to her. recession and all

bmcm71

Hi Wildfowler

Just saw your posting. I use a Baikal MP153 it has an adjustable valve so you can hold more gas back for light loads or release more for the 3" and 3.5" stuff. Had it a few years now and have used it mainly on foxes and on a few clays. 28" Multi choke barrel, oil finished stock. Its nothing fancy but it is a nice clean reliable gun. Just after buying a Beretta 686E so would consider selling for around 550 Check out "Canadian guy shooting a Baikal mp153" on you tube to see how reliable they are.

Double Barrel

wildfowler,

Are you shooting Pinks on the foreshore or inland?

wildfowler

Double Barrel wrote: »

wildfowler,

Are you shooting Pinks on the foreshore or inland?

hi DB
around half and half

Double Barrel

wildfowler,

What gun are you currently shooting and year of manufacture ?

As you may know there is a lead ban on the foreshore and inland "on or over wetlands" Non lead shot only. Lead can be used over dry land such as stubble but make sure you do not fire in the direction of wetlands if you are set-up within 300 meters of a wetland. http://www.basc.org.uk/media/protecting_waterfowl.pdf

"can u recomend another make that wont break the bank.only be using once or 2 a year when go scotland for pinks"


If you "have" to buy a gun,:D a Baikal IZH 27 O/U or 153, they come with 3 inch chamber. Spend your money and get yourself some Hevishot No. 3's, 36 or 40 gr. or Kent Tungsten Matrix # 1s, 42 gr. for foreshore Pinks and No.5/6 Hevi-shot & No.5 T M for ducks.
I would shoot either of the Baikal's with imp.cyl or half steel proof chokes ....... the O/U imp.cyl in the lower barrel and you can use half-choke in the upper.

If you are getting shots at 30 meters or less save yourself some money and use Gamebore steel 70mm or 76mm/3" inch cartridges in No.3s for duck and BB's for geese. The Hevishot will destroy them at close range.

No need to go to 3 1/2 or a 10 bore if you shoot Hevishot.

wildfowler

Double Barrel wrote: »

wildfowler,

What gun are you currently shooting and year of manufacture ?

As you may know there is a lead ban on the foreshore and inland "on or over wetlands" Non lead shot only. Lead can be used over dry land such as stubble but make sure you do not fire in the direction of wetlands if you are set-up within 300 meters of a wetland. http://www.basc.org.uk/media/protecting_waterfowl.pdf

"can u recomend another make that wont break the bank.only be using once or 2 a year when go scotland for pinks"


If you "have" to buy a gun,:D a Baikal IZH 27 O/U or 153, they come with 3 inch chamber. Spend your money and get yourself some Hevishot No. 3's, 36 or 40 gr. or Kent Tungsten Matrix # 1s, 42 gr. for foreshore Pinks and No.5/6 Hevi-shot & No.5 T M for ducks.
I would shoot either of the Baikal's with imp.cyl or half steel proof chokes ....... the O/U imp.cyl in the lower barrel and you can use half-choke in the upper.

If you are getting shots at 30 meters or less save yourself some money and use Gamebore steel 70mm or 76mm/3" inch cartridges in No.3s for duck and BB's for geese. The Hevishot will destroy them at close range.

No need to go to 3 1/2 or a 10 bore if you shoot Hevishot.

HI DB
IM using a stogar 3" AT THE MOMENT use steel shot at ducks and gesse on shore use lead decoying.
myself i think the 3" is not good enough for gesse the difference in killing power between the 3" and 3.5" massive.3" is fine on gesse flighting in a pond but on the shore its just not good enough. but thats just my experience of the two chambers.

Double Barrel

wildfowler,


I shoot a 10 and 12 on the foreshore here at home. The 10 throws better patterns so it gets used a fair amount when I am after geese late in the season. Ballistically, when firing any given load in two guns of different bore, the larger bore will generally give the more even pattern. The bigger the guage, the bigger the shot it will shoot (pattern) well . Buy an 8 bore ........ but really a modern 12 capable of firing Hevishot or a 10 shooting very large Fast Steel is the ticket for Scotland.
A real concern is cost. Cartridges for the magnum-10 are readily available but are extremely expensive, costing approximately six times as much as standard 12-bore ammunition. If your Uncle in Scotland reloads then another world is available to you.

I take a 12 bore 76 mm - 81 cm Blazer F3 to Scotia for the last few years and have being pleasantly surprised with the results shooting Hevishot on the foreshore for ducks and geese. Hevishot is a dull metallic grey compound metal. It is a combination of Tungsten, Nickel, and Iron, an amalgam of approximately 50%, 35% and 15%, respectively. Hevishot has an average density of 12.0g/cc (grams per centimetre cubed), which is greater than the 11.4g/cc for pure lead, 10.9g/cc for the high antimony premium hunting lead shot and approximately 7.87g/cc for steel shot. This makes Hevishot approximately 10% heavier than premium hunting lead and 52% heavier than steel when comparing similarly sized pellets.
That is knockdown and killing power.

Try the Hevi you will be happy with the results.

Good shooting mechanics & skill kills birds.
Better patterns kill birds. Shorter shot strings kill birds.
Less felt recoil kills birds. Gun fit helps kill birds. Practice.

Ill fitting guns, patterns with big holes, overly long shot strings, deformed pellets, abrasion, skybusting and the No.1 cause of missed birds is flinch, produced by felt recoil ( big heavy loads ) and ill fitting guns.

A note regarding auto and pump guns in the UK, The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 has decreed that, when employed against game birds or wildfowl, the magazine of a repeater must be plugged so as to accept no more than two cartridges.