USAR

Odysseus

I was just wondering if any Dublin CD members are getting involved in the new Urban Search and Resuce Sercive that is currently being set up?

Also just wanted to start a non garda related thread:)

TheNog

Odysseus wrote: »

I was just wondering if any Dublin CD members are getting involved in the new Urban Search and Resuce Sercive that is currently being set up?

Never heard of the USAR before. What does it entail and when would it be used?

Odysseus wrote: »

Also just wanted to start a non garda related thread:)

makes a change alright

Zuppy

USAR= Urban Search and Rescue.
Most IRC or UK Fire Service USAR teams follow INSARG guidelines.

Teams respond to building collapses, heights rescue and earthquakes while most also have a acute disaster relief ethos. Civil defence charged with these duties in Ireland. NI have an Appliance in Central Fire Station (Belfast) with trained staff to deploy. UK FS teams have a rota so as Home office can deploy them worldwide if required.

I have no details on the one being set up in Dublin.

Eru

Would these be connected to the european major emergency response system?

pa990

ZuppyLurk wrote: »

USAR= Urban Search and Rescue.
Most IRC or UK Fire Service USAR teams follow INSARG guidelines.

Teams respond to building collapses, heights rescue and earthquakes while most also have a acute disaster relief ethos. Civil defence charged with these duties in Ireland. NI have an Appliance in Central Fire Station (Belfast) with trained staff to deploy. UK FS teams have a rota so as Home office can deploy them worldwide if required.

I have no details on the one being set up in Dublin.

Hmmm.. smells of Walterism

AGS management, is reactive, not proactive. Wait until something happens.. then we'll decide what needs to be done, and we can justify the expense of creating it

civdef

What's this got to do with the Guards?

Civil Defence have been training in USAR since 1950, and it's great news (which I hadn't heard) that Dublin are trying to update and improve it in Ireland. Like has been said, the UK has totally revamped their USAR capability since 2001.

Ideally I'd like to see a combined agency approach to USAR in Ireland, between Fire Service, Ambulance Service and Civil Defence. It's really not something a voluntary agency can do on its own, but there definitely is a place for it.

Odysseus

The bump I got on it at the last meeting was "Dublin Civil Defence has been tasked by the Dublin City Council to provide an Urban Search Team for deployment in the Dublin Region."

Whereas the resuce service is already operational this seeems to be something different. Its in its initial plannng stage at the moment with various tasks been arranged for our officers to implement in each team;and as I'm on the lower end of the command chain I know little. At the moment we are heading to HQ in the Esplande once a month in place of our normal training. That's really all I know at the moment, I was just curious if there were any CD members here with more info.

As you noted yourself Civdef we are allready tasked with various rescuse activities, but this seems to be formalising it at a much more organised level. I guess I will find out more as the weeks go by, next meeting is monday night. The significant point I picked up was that there was going to be a strong emphasis on the search element, teams are being asked to orgainise exercies that will focus on becoming more familiar with locations and search techniques.

leadinglady

Any mention of whether there would be a canine involvement?

Odysseus

leadinglady wrote: »

Any mention of whether there would be a canine involvement?

Not to my knowledge, but with saying that I'm asking here for further info so my knowledge is limited at the moment.

metman

leadinglady wrote: »

Any mention of whether there would be a canine involvement?

canine involvement.....nice choice of words.

Had you said 'doggy action' I reckon deadwood might have had a coronary

leadinglady

You know what, i did have to think about how to phrase it...;)

Zuppy

pa990 wrote: »

Hmmm.. smells of Walterism

AGS management, is reactive, not proactive. Wait until something happens.. then we'll decide what needs to be done, and we can justify the expense of creating it

Not sure what you mean by walterism.
I mis read one of the posts thinking they wanted to know what USAR was.

As to USAR. Glad to see someone is setting something up. Would like to see what the Civil Defence has been up to and how we could expand it if possible.

BizPost

What's the plan for their role? Urban missing persons searches?

Slightly off topic but are the Civil Defence involved in looking for the two Climbers lost in Wicklow?

civdef

USAR usually means collapsed buildings, which also was the traditional CD role, but I wouldn't be surprised if Dublin CD meant missing person searches in urban areas also - they tend to be very flexible with definitions.

BizPost

civdef wrote: »

USAR usually means collapsed buildings, which also was the traditional CD role, but I wouldn't be surprised if Dublin CD meant missing person searches in urban areas also - they tend to be very flexible with definitions.

Can't see much of a need for collapsed buildings searches? Unless there's a massive explosion or an earthquake in Dublin they could be a lot time waiting to be called upon.

Missing person searches is an interesting one. What happens when someone goes missing in Dublin? What do the guards generally do?

You rarely hear of the large scale searches in Dublin as you do in countryside for obvious reasons one is urban the other is rural but what about checking rivers, fields in Dublin and all that.

sgt.bilko

BizPost wrote: »

What's the plan for their role? Urban missing persons searches?

Slightly off topic but are the Civil Defence involved in looking for the two Climbers lost in Wicklow?

no mention of them on the website for mountain rescue so i presume they're not involved.

civdef

The whole point of CD is that it isn't for regular incidents, it's a reserve of people, skills and equipment to deal with disaster dituations - the last time they were used for a USAR job in Ireland was Raglan House (gas expolosion - 1987 ). USAR really was developed during the Blits in the UK during WWII, and outside of earthquake zones, was fairly neglected until 9/11. It's not an everyday thing by any means.

Regarding the recent search indicent in Wicklow, CD doesn't have specialist mountain rescuers, being more focussed towards open country searching.

Odysseus

BizPost wrote: »

What's the plan for their role? Urban missing persons searches?

Yeah that's part of the plan, for example an eldery patient wandering out of a nursing home. The plan is that each unit will become familar with a set area. Basicly doing developing a plan of that area noting places where a missing person maybe [which does seem to happen regularly enough]. having done that we would have a detailed plan that other teams could use if we where called out.

BizPost

That's a good idea esp with the nursing home. The incident in Bray comes to mind when that lady went missing.

I get the sense its seems to take time in some places for full search operations to swing into action. If someone is considered vunerable this should happen asap with local search teams involved.

When you get the scenario of hundreds of people turning up to search with the best intentions. But it must be a nightmare for the guards to try and co-ordinate and set up search groups etc.

deadwood

metman wrote: »

canine involvement.....nice choice of words.

Had you said 'doggy action' I reckon deadwood might have had a coronary

Hmm?

What's that now, doggy action?

Where?

I'm on my way, give me details in the car!

Oh.


Just read the rest of the thread.

And no, metman - i'd have a Stroke!;)

Odysseus

deadwood wrote: »

Hmm?

What's that now, doggy action?

Where?

I'm on my way, give me details in the car!

Oh.


Just read the rest of the thread.

And no, metman - i'd have a Stroke!;)

Here's one especially for you deadwood, the latin for "doggy action" is "coitis a tergo". You pick up some unusal terms when you study Freud. That one always stuck in my mind for some reason. Don't say that boards isn't educational;)