O'hAilpin suspended indefinitely after Cloke blue

Pingu

Video: http://media.theage.com.au/?rid=45908&category=Sports%20HQ

I'd say the fact that he kicked him on the ground after he decked him could cause him serious problems.

From: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/carlton/ohailpin-facing-blues-axe/2009/02/06/1233423463493.html

Carlton has suspended Setanta O'hAilpin indefinitely following his violent conduct during today's intra-club practice match at Visy Park.

The 25-year-old has also been ordered to undergo an anger management course after striking and kicking teammate Cameron Cloke.

"Setanta's actions were totally unacceptable, on or off the field, and we are bitterly disappointed in the incident with Cameron Cloke," Carlton chief executive Greg Swann said.

Swann said O'hAilpin was "remorseful about the incident" and had apologised to Cloke for his actions.

"He is aware that such an incident is completely unacceptable and, in particular, is a poor example to junior footballers.

The match was held up for 15 minutes as both players were taken from the field, with Cloke being examined by the club's medical staff.

Neither player returned to the action and the game was stopped at the end of the third quarter.

The Carlton leadership group was involved in the decision to suspend O'hAilpin and have spoken to him in relation to the matter. He will not be involved in any club activities and will be required to train with the Northern Bullants while he is suspended.

dSTAR

Was just about to post this but you beat me to the punch so to speak.

Disgraceful and unacceptable behavior imo.

Boca

:eek::eek::eek:

Apparantly he was involved in a 'tussle' with Travis Cloke last season.

Coincidence?


Well, he can always return to the Cork hurling team...






...oh wait

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http://player.video.news.com.au/heraldsun/#QSscsTuZ2L3tRpoTOIOID3mExChupIWn

Jesus.

Heisenberg.

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juvenal

Madness;

Although somewhat of a typical Aussie reaction that the small kick is more outrageous than a clean punch to a man on his knees.

I've always found that whereas the niggle (jersey-pulling, a slight puck/pull etc) is a more "acceptable" part of sports on this side of the world, the mano-a-mano punch is deemed far more "sporting" in Aussie Rules.

While what he did was way out of line, I'd be more concerned about the haymaker than the slight kick afterwards, but as is usually the way down under, they see things as being a bit the other way 'round. The cultural differences are funny.

Also, who's the idiot talking about "curling"?? :rolleyes:

That could be the end of his career in Australia.

Big deal about nothing imo

Tristram

The Scientist wrote: »

Disgraceful.
He shouldn't be left on any sporting team with a temper like that.

+1

Heisenberg.

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The Scientist

The Scientist wrote: »

Punching a man in the face when he's on his knees and kicking him in the sack when he's down is not a big deal?
Corkonian or not, lets call a spade a spade, that was downright thuggish.

The reason this is a big deal is because it was caught on camera.

Anyone who plays sport knows that something like this happens every now and again. The only difference is, theres no-one there filming it and is subsequently brushed under the carpet

hurler007

Yes I agree it was disgraceful and he will and should get a heavy sanction. But why exactly did he go for him was it something he said?

Theres two sides to every story?

bruschi

rarnes1 wrote: »

The reason this is a big deal is because it was caught on camera.

Anyone who plays sport knows that something like this happens every now and again. The only difference is, theres no-one there filming it and is subsequently brushed under the carpet

thats rubbish. I play a lot of sport, and have played to a pretty good level, but I cant say I've ever seen someone jab, throw a piledriver, and then kick them in the sack while they lay prone on the ground. Most aussie rules trainings will have some element of filming at them, especially a preseason match up.

fair enough, you'll always get lads who get pissed off, and a couple of punches might be thrown, but not to the extent O'hailpin did, and not as one sided as this was, or as petulant as it was.

Absolute foolish thing to do, and wouldnt suprise me to see him gone. Barry Hall got a 7 game ban (nearly 1/3 of a season) for a king punch to Brett Staker. O'hAilpin could get something worse if it is brought to AFL tribunal. Club could give him as much of a suspension, and then think, whats the point of keeping this guy on and paying him?

bruschi

bruschi wrote: »

thats rubbish. I play a lot of sport, and have played to a pretty good level, but I cant say I've ever seen someone jab, throw a piledriver, and then kick them in the sack while they lay prone on the ground. Most aussie rules trainings will have some element of filming at them, especially a preseason match up.

fair enough, you'll always get lads who get pissed off, and a couple of punches might be thrown, but not to the extent O'hailpin did, and not as one sided as this was, or as petulant as it was.

Absolute foolish thing to do, and wouldnt suprise me to see him gone. Barry Hall got a 7 game ban (nearly 1/3 of a season) for a king punch to Brett Staker. O'hAilpin could get something worse if it is brought to AFL tribunal. Club could give him as much of a suspension, and then think, whats the point of keeping this guy on and paying him?

He only hit him one punch all be it a good one!

The kick in all fairness was stupid

Min

He is just showing himself up, he did himself no favours, he is no different to a common thug.

MG

Setanta went walkabout down under, so to speak

Kirnsy

it is shocking viewing. true in a sport like aussie rules im sure a few "scuffles" are part of the physicality of it but this was a lot more than just that imo.
there seemed to be a degree of real nastiness in it rather heat of the moment stuff.

its on youtube and they ask one of the team mates if there is a history between the two men, and the fella replies "you'll have to ask them that".

o hailpin has truly let himself down.

YDMHSSB

whats different from what he did and the thuggery that went on in croker the years of the aussie rules? people are overrating the kick. it was a kick up the backside and thats that.

these things go on all the time, if no camera there, we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Kirnsy

it was on his own team mate for a start while the stuff in croker was opposing teams.

its not the kick itself and how bad a kick it was that is getting to people its the fact, after laying your man out with a haymaker, that he kicks him while the guy is on the ground.

its a disgrace.

Pingu

He only gets a four match ban:

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/ohailpins-light-impost/2009/02/09/1234027955588.html

CARLTON'S hot-headed Irishman Setanta O'hAilpin could conceivably be free to play in round one despite last night agreeing to a four-match ban from the AFL for punching and kicking his teammate.

However, regardless of the AFL's suspension, the key defender remains in club-imposed exile since the incident with Cameron Cloke and will have his fate decided at a club meeting later this week.

O'hAilpin yesterday learned what the minimum punishment would be for his angry attack on teammate Cloke when the AFL imposed a four-match suspension — if he pleaded guilty — for the twin offences of the punch in the head and the kick up the backside while Cloke lay face down on the turf in the third quarter of the intra-club match last Friday.

He accepted the offer even when it appeared it would rule him out of four home-and-away matches.

Last night, the AFL sent out a clarification that the suspension could also be served during the pre-season competition.

The AFL's change of heart, which it said was done after "further examination", means that if Carlton makes the NAB Cup grand final, as it did in 2007, it will have played four pre-season games and O'hAilpin's punishment would have been served.

There was never a doubt that any offer by the match review panel would be accepted by the player.

The only query was the one that remains, and that is whether the club would impose an additional suspension.

O'hAilpin remains indefinitely suspended by the club, which has ordered him to attend counselling and anger management with the club's sports psychologist.

The player and his agent Michael Quinlan will meet with the club during the week to determine what happens next. The player leadership group will consider what action to take and will meet with coach Brett Ratten, chief executive Greg Swann and football manager Steven Icke and decide on a punishment by Friday.

The club is due to play another intra-club match on Friday, though this one will be closed to the media and public.

In the meantime, O'hAilpin is not allowed to be involved in club activities, which includes not attending the club's community camp in Seymour today.

O'hAilpin was remorseful after the incident which allegedly occurred in anger after Cloke elbowed him in the throat.

He apologised to his teammate, who said he was unhurt and untroubled by the incident and happy to move on.

It is expected his teammates and coach will agree to do likewise at their meeting, and it could well be that O'hAilpin's decision to agree to the four-match suspension may yet remain his only punishment.

Pingu

Seems the club might have him back for the start of the season. They seem to be making sure he's alright rather than just going to town on him.

homerjay2005

good news if thats what happens. i honestly think this was way over hyped.

Sherifu

rarnes1 wrote: »

The reason this is a big deal is because it was caught on camera.

Anyone who plays sport knows that something like this happens every now and again. The only difference is, theres no-one there filming it and is subsequently brushed under the carpet

YDMHSSB wrote: »

whats different from what he did and the thuggery that went on in croker the years of the aussie rules? people are overrating the kick. it was a kick up the backside and thats that.

these things go on all the time, if no camera there, we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Pretty much what i'm thinking. They may have to be seen to come down hard on him now.

Not defending what he did by the way, no excuse for that.

Funny that the GAA will continue with the cashspinning compromise rules. Incidents in the last Irish hosted series to rival this. Where's the outcry over that?

Xavi6

Pingu wrote: »

Seems the club might have him back for the start of the season.

No they won't. The ban is for the first four regular season games.

bruschi

Xavi6 wrote: »

No they won't. The ban is for the first four regular season games.

AFL have said they can use NAB games as part of the suspension, so if they make the final, the 4 games will be served.

Sherifu wrote: »

Pretty much what i'm thinking. They may have to be seen to come down hard on him now.

Not defending what he did by the way, no excuse for that.

Funny that the GAA will continue with the cashspinning compromise rules. Incidents in the last Irish hosted series to rival this. Where's the outcry over that?

are for real? seriously, where are you coming from with that? no outcry? The Irish team and management whinged and whined over it for months, and the series was suspended. I cant say I remembered any incident where a player was punched while on his knees in the series, and then given a kick in the sack while he lay on the ground. I do remember Sean Marty Lockhart headbutting and breaking Ryan O Keefes nose tho.

People have this misguided impression that the bad incidents that happen in the Int Rules are a given in AFL. If the incidents such as Lockharts, or Crhis Jonsons in Melbourne the year before had happened in an AFL game, they'd have received extremely long suspensions. Dont start harping on about how this was overhyped because "I saw worse in Int Rules and thats what they do in Aussie Rules". Barry Hall punched a payer unconcious last season and was suspended for a third of the season. A punch which was lesser than o'hAilpins, and also he didnt kick him up the hole either.

a four match suspension is extremely light for o'hailpin, and he can consider himself lucky considering he may not miss any of the regular season. whther or not he is around to play for Carlton is another matter.

Xavi6

bruschi wrote: »

AFL have said they can use NAB games as part of the suspension, so if they make the final, the 4 games will be served

This article led me to believe otherwise -

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25029004-23211,00.html

SETANTA O'hAilpin's brain snap last Friday is set to put him out of action for the first four weeks of the AFL regular season.

.......

Unlike O'hAilpin, he can serve the suspension while the Magpies remain in the NAB Cup.

bruschi

Xavi6 wrote: »

This article led me to believe otherwise -

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25029004-23211,00.html

you should know not ot trust foxsports xavi!!

http://afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=71953

The AFL has ruled that O'hAilpin's penalty can be served during the NAB Cup meaning a berth in the grand final for the Blues would make the Irishman available for senior selection in round one of the home-and-away series.

also talks about how Ratten is likely to leave things as they are and he wants O'hAilpin back with them.

We want to get Setanta back as quickly as possible and not leave him in the lurch and try and help him through this time and get back with the boys.

Sherifu

bruschi wrote: »

are for real? seriously, where are you coming from with that? no outcry? The Irish team and management whinged and whined over it for months, and the series was suspended. I cant say I remembered any incident where a player was punched while on his knees in the series, and then given a kick in the sack while he lay on the ground. I do remember Sean Marty Lockhart headbutting and breaking Ryan O Keefes nose tho.

Were you there? Unfortunately I had the misfortune to go to it expecting a good game. An awful lot of off the ball fighting and sly blows. I can remember the Aussies being responsible for starting their fair share of fighting. The game should have been scrapped at that stage. It's a farce as far as i'm concerned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA4U8zEMmLM

bruschi

Sherifu wrote: »

Were you there? Unfortunately I had the misfortune to go to it expecting a good game. An awful lot of off the ball fighting and sly blows. I can remember the Aussies being responsible for starting their fair share of fighting. The game should have been scrapped at that stage. It's a farce as far as i'm concerned.

yes, I was in the Hill for it, and saw some incidents myself. as you say, some started by Aussies, but I saw 2 separate incidents before throw in started by our lads, as well as the worst incident of the series committed by one of our players. what this has to do with the lack of 'outcry' I dont know. there was a huge bloody uproar over it all. the series abandoned and new rules implemented for future series. whether or not it should have been scrapped is your opinion.

but to say that this was the same as incidents in that series and there was no outcry over that is ridiculous. this incident had a player deck his own teamate and then kick him up the hole. how is that comparable? he got a light suspension in my opinion, and its up to the club now whether they will sanction him any further.

what the incident has to do with the GAA and international rules I dont know either.

Sherifu

Was in the hill too. Good times. Ya they changed the rules, there was a bit of public anger and next time they come to Ireland it'll probably be the same crap.

bruschi wrote: »

but to say that this was the same as incidents in that series and there was no outcry over that is ridiculous. this incident had a player deck his own teamate and then kick him up the hole. how is that comparable? he got a light suspension in my opinion, and its up to the club now whether they will sanction him any further.

It's great that he got a light suspension.

bruschi wrote: »

what the incident has to do with the GAA and international rules I dont know either.

Aussie rules is supposed to be a tough sport is it not? We see that spilling into the international rules... Why is it so surprising something like this would happen?

seachto7

Fevola is a laugh. What was he at in a Galway pub a few years back? Aussies can't talk about throwing punches....:rolleyes:
I know fighting is pretty much non existent in AFL now, but a kick up the hole is a bit much to be getting hot about...

twinytwo

The Scientist wrote: »

Punching a man in the face when he's on his knees and kicking him in the sack when he's down is not a big deal?
Corkonian or not, lets call a spade a spade, that was downright thuggish.

Im sorry but seriously they are making a big deal over nothing... after the ****e the aussies would dish out on the international rules( we all remember johnson) and they are crying over a little love tap. Seriously what a joke

twinytwo

bruschi wrote: »

AFL have said they can use NAB games as part of the suspension, so if they make the final, the 4 games will be served.



are for real? seriously, where are you coming from with that? no outcry? The Irish team and management whinged and whined over it for months, and the series was suspended. I cant say I remembered any incident where a player was punched while on his knees in the series, and then given a kick in the sack while he lay on the ground. I do remember Sean Marty Lockhart headbutting and breaking Ryan O Keefes nose tho.

People have this misguided impression that the bad incidents that happen in the Int Rules are a given in AFL. If the incidents such as Lockharts, or Crhis Jonsons in Melbourne the year before had happened in an AFL game, they'd have received extremely long suspensions. Dont start harping on about how this was overhyped because "I saw worse in Int Rules and thats what they do in Aussie Rules". Barry Hall punched a payer unconcious last season and was suspended for a third of the season. A punch which was lesser than o'hAilpins, and also he didnt kick him up the hole either.

a four match suspension is extremely light for o'hailpin, and he can consider himself lucky considering he may not miss any of the regular season. whther or not he is around to play for Carlton is another matter.

Anyone who watchs the AFl knows this...

bruschi

twinytwo wrote: »

Anyone who watchs the AFl knows this...

so you watch AFL then do you?

bruschi

Setanta is back training again and the clubs self imposed ban is over, so he'll just be sitting out the 4 games handed down by the AFL. so he wont miss too much if any game time in regular season. he'll be certainly under a lot of scrutiny anyway.

Traq

so he wont miss too much if any game time in regular season.

Setanta's suspension actually only starts once the regular season starts so the earliest we'll see him playing for the Blues is round 5 vs the Doggies at the end of April.

bruschi

Traq wrote: »

Setanta's suspension actually only starts once the regular season starts so the earliest we'll see him playing for the Blues is round 5 vs the Doggies at the end of April.

you sure? AFL reported otherwise after the suspension was given as I said above.



http://afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/t...x?newsid=71953


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The AFL has ruled that O'hAilpin's penalty can be served during the NAB Cup meaning a berth in the grand final for the Blues would make the Irishman available for senior selection in round one of the home-and-away series.

bruschi

Setanta has come on in leaps and bounds since this incident with Cloke a couple of seasons back. Cloke is now lingering int he reserves at Port Adelaide, whilst Setanta kicked 5 for Carlton on Sunday and was their main player up front. He had a great game, and is on course for a very good season. He has adapted very well, and I have to say, I'm very impressed with his progress since the training ground thing. Last year was a good year for him, hampered tho by injury. But with Fev gone now, Setanta is leading the charge for the blues and is doing it very well. Fair play to him.

dcr22B

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/93469/default.aspx

rebel girl 15

Setanta now has the record for the most goals in a single game by an Irishman, beating Jim Stynes old record - been very impressed with him in the bits of game that I have seen!