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can landlord do this?

  • 04-02-2009 9:53pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭


    I have lost my job recently and would like to claim social welfare,but the landlord doesnt want to sign any forms

    this means i cant get normal dole or rent allowance

    I am the only tenant and the rent is 750 a month

    I am living there 8months so far

    Is there anyway to "make" a landord sign the forms or report him to anyone or can landlords refuse if they wish?

    I cant see any reason why hed refuse unless he hasnt been paying tax or whatever


Comments

  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    you got it in one madmax he's more than likely refusing to sign those forms because he's not paying tax and to be quite frank in this climate thats his problem not yours.

    Give him another call ask him again nicely and if he says no just say nicely thats fine I will lodge a complaint / make an enquiry with the PRTB ( www.prtb.ie ) and let them handle it on my behalf.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭madmik


    its not as if hes "strapped for cash"

    he owns around 20 properties i know of

    Its unnfortunate situation but i could not predict my job loss when i signed the lease and i think hes being unfair but obviously my opinion is biased

    can he kick me out for asking for social welfare ?

    or threatening to report him to the prtb?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    he can certainly try to but he'd be potentially landing himself in very hot water. The best thing to do would be to ring the PRTB and get their advice on your exact rights here because I'm not 100% and last thing I'd want to do is to give dodgy advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,434 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Exactly what form do you need him to sign so you can claim the dole???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,562 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    JustMary wrote: »
    Exactly what form do you need him to sign so you can claim the dole???
    For Jobseekers Benefit/Allowance I think they generally require proof of where you live. During the summer I had a friend living in my house free of charge. They were out of work at the time and I had to provide a letter detailing this so that their application could be processed. The rent relief requires it for a far more obvious reason.

    As was pointed out above, the most likely reason that the landlord won't sign is that they're not properly registered. There's also the possibility that rental costs in the area have increased since you agreed your lease and they'll make more money if they get you to move out.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭madmik


    For Jobseekers Benefit/Allowance I think they generally require proof of where you live. During the summer I had a friend living in my house free of charge. They were out of work at the time and I had to provide a letter detailing this so that their application could be processed. The rent relief requires it for a far more obvious reason.

    As was pointed out above, the most likely reason that the landlord won't sign is that they're not properly registered. There's also the possibility that rental costs in the area have increased since you agreed your lease and they'll make more money if they get you to move out.

    if anything i would say that rental prices have fallen since i moved in 8 months ago

    I have checked the prtb website and it seems the apartment is not on their list of rented properties

    its a bad situation because i paid ****loads of tax when i was working and now i seem to be in a position where i can claim nothing back due to ann overly-greedy landlord


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,434 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    For Jobseekers Benefit/Allowance I think they generally require proof of where you live. During the summer I had a friend living in my house free of charge. They were out of work at the time and I had to provide a letter detailing this so that their application could be processed.

    This requirement can be met by a recent power bill in your name, bank statement posted to you , or letter from the revenue. If you're not paying any of the bills, then get the latter to send you a P21 from some recent year.

    Your landlord does not need to sign the paper for rent relief: if you provide them name and the property address, the revenue can find them. And will look hard to make sure that they've been declaring the rental income :p

    Rent allowance is different, but I'd be surprised if you'd get it if you're paying as much as 750/month (the max rent allowed does depend on the area though).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭delllat


    JustMary wrote: »
    This requirement can be met by a recent power bill in your name, bank statement posted to you , or letter from the revenue. If you're not paying any of the bills, then get the latter to send you a P21 from some recent year.

    Your landlord does not need to sign the paper for rent relief: if you provide them name and the property address, the revenue can find them. And will look hard to make sure that they've been declaring the rental income :p

    Rent allowance is different, but I'd be surprised if you'd get it if you're paying as much as 750/month (the max rent allowed does depend on the area though).


    Id be happy if they paid half of it or some other amount they consider suitable

    i


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭PurpleBerry


    delllat wrote: »

    Id be happy if they paid half of it or some other amount they consider suitable

    I'm sorry but that's not the way it works. You will be told to find somewhere suitable within the right price bracket or renegiotiate the rent with your landlord to meet the pre-determined level. They won't pay part of your rent. What made you think they would?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭madmik


    Neesa wrote: »
    I'm sorry but that's not the way it works. You will be told to find somewhere suitable within the right price bracket or renegiotiate the rent with your landlord to meet the pre-determined level. They won't pay part of your rent. What made you think they would?

    whats the differnce in them paying 350 of my current 750 rent or them insisting i move to somewhere that costs say 600 and them paying all of it??

    theyre going to lose more doing it their way


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    madmik wrote: »
    whats the differnce in them paying 350 of my current 750 rent or them insisting i move to somewhere that costs say 600 and them paying all of it??

    theyre going to lose more doing it their way

    Yeah it's a pain alrite, but the way see it is if you can afford to pay a big chunk of the rent yourself, then you shouldn't be getting any of the rent allowance while claiming the dole. It's something like 98euro per week max for dublin area that your rent has to cost to claim rent allowance. So then they'll pay all of it except 13euro which you pay out of your dole money. The rest is meant for living expenses.

    There is not many places going for under 98e/week nor places that accept rental allowance in the first place!! :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Ticktactoe


    madmik wrote: »
    its a bad situation because i paid ****loads of tax when i was working and now i seem to be in a position where i can claim nothing back due to ann overly-greedy landlord

    Claim your Rent Tax relief... especially if you were paying tax and renting last year as you will get a lump sum refund which would be quite useful now. If you were working and paying tax so far this year, claim that back too by sending in a P50 with parts 2 and 3 of your p45. When doing that also claim the rent credit for this year and you will receive more back. Your entitled to this money even if your landlord is been inconvenient so go get it! :)


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