can my italian friends get the dole ?

bazzare

guys , i have some friends from Italy, they have been living in ireland for 3 months..........they have been working but got let go......

are they entitled to get any dole while they are here and are looking for work........they are trying but cant get any work in current climate.

i think they can get jobseekers allowance ?

can anybody confirm this.

Is there any reason why they woudlt get the dole ?

propertypin.com

No they cant get the dole unless they have lived here for 2 years. I know its hard to get work but if they come to a foreign country and cant get work then they should not be entilted to anything, we dont even have enough money to pay dole to our own people never mind importing others.

Heisenberg.

This post has been deleted.

bazzare

well....they went to the dole office and have been allowed make their application which is currently being processed.which is a good sign..


there seems to be alot of confusion about this 2 years issue, some people say yes, others say no........but at the end of the day, what really matters is what the dole office say, not the people in the street

i think it may depend on a persons nationality. perhaps this 2 year rule may apply more to polish people or nigerians ?

anyway they are applying for jobseekers allowance, not jobseekers benefit.

i have looked at the dept. of social welfare website and
it doesnt say anything about being here for 2 years ?

very miffed dub

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/OperationalGuidelines/Pages/jb_jobseekben.aspx#part10

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/OperationalGuidelines/Pages/euregs.aspx

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Publications/SW4/Pages/s3.aspx

Your Italian friends can qualify for Jobseeker's Benefit (JB) here. It depends if they had PRSI contributions (whatever the Italian equivalent is) in Italy. Their Italian record can be combined with the Irish contributions to qualify for JB.

It also applies to an Irish person who wants to work in another EU country. Their Irish PRSI contributions can help them qualify for payments in that EU country.

The two year Habitual Residence rule only applies to weekly means-tested payments, such as Jobseeker's Allowance. It also applies to Child Benefit.

Hope this helps.

Mrs OBumble

very miffed dub wrote: »

The two year Habitual Residence rule only applies to weekly means-tested payments, such as Jobseeker's Allowance. It also applies to Child Benefit.

The Habitual Residence rule applies to means-tested payments.

Two years residence is the normal way of meeting it. But if you have genuinely cut all ties to where you lived previously, there are other ways of meeting it. One of them involves signing a declaration. I don't know what the others are, but have been told that they exist.

Kotek Besar

EU Directive 2004/38/EC prohibits Ireland from treating citizens of other Member States, who are resident in Ireland in accordance with the provisions of the Directive, any differently from Irish citizens.

Jobseeker's Allowance should be paid to an Italian national if it would be paid to an Irish national in the same circumstances.

This is a prime example of the Irish "Habitual Residence" condition being incompatible with EU regulations.

Ironbars

benifa wrote: »

EU Directive 2004/38/EC prohibits Ireland from treating citizens of other Member States, who are resident in Ireland in accordance with the provisions of the Directive, any differently from Irish citizens.

Jobseeker's Allowance should be paid to an Italian national if it would be paid to an Irish national in the same circumstances.

This is a prime example of the Irish "Habitual Residence" condition being incompatible with EU regulations.

I wondered about this ;-/ Can you tell me if the social welfare/benefits is much different europe wide.
For example, would I get the same in Ireland as in Italy or visa versa?

PurpleBerry

Taken from Wikipedia:


Unemployment benefits in Italy consists mainly in cash transfers based on contributions (indennità di disoccupazione), up to the 40 percent of the previous wages for up to seven months. Other measures are:

• Redundancy Fund (Cassa integrazione guadagni, CIG): cash benefits provided as shock absorbers to those workers who are suspended or who work only for reduced time due to temporary difficulties of their factories, aiming to help the factories in financial difficulties, by relieving them from the costs of unused workforce
• Solidarity Contracts (Contratti di solidarietà): in the same cases granting CIG benefits, companies can sign contracts with reduced work time, in order to avoid dismissing redundancy workers. The state will grant to those workers the 60 percent of the lost part of the wage.
• Mobility allowances (Indennità di mobilità),: if the Redundancy Fund doesn’t allow the company to re-establish a good financial situation, the workers can be entitled to mobility allowances. Other companies are provided incentives for employing them.

In the Italian unemployment insurance system all the measures are income-related, and they have an average decommodification level. The basis for entitlement is always employment, with more specific conditions for each case, and the provider is quite always the state. An interesting feature worthy to be discussed is that the Italian system takes in consideration also the economic situation of the employers, and aims as well at relieving them from the costs of crisis.

c4cat

benifa wrote: »

EU Directive 2004/38/EC prohibits Ireland from treating citizens of other Member States, who are resident in Ireland in accordance with the provisions of the Directive, any differently from Irish citizens.

Jobseeker's Allowance should be paid to an Italian national if it would be paid to an Irish national in the same circumstances.

This is a prime example of the Irish "Habitual Residence" condition being incompatible with EU regulations.

Just a slight correction about EU Directive 2004/38/EC, it refers to EU Workers, IE someone who is an EU citizen AND has paid at least one PRSI contribution and then would be entitled to means tested benefits, If an EU citizen has not paid at least one PRSI contribution then he/she is a seeker of work, and should be getting unemployment benefit paid by the country of last employment or have their own means of support. Once a person establishes themselves as a worker by paying at least one PRSI contribution then they are covered by EU Directive 2004/38/EC because they have established themselves as a worker. What this means is that if an EU person arrives in an EU country gets a Job which lasts only a week they would be treated the same as nationals of that EU country. If a person arrives in an country and trys to claim benefit without having established themselves as a worker then the habitual residence rule will be applied if it was Ireland or the UK they were trying to claim benefit from.

Since the OP's friends have worked here in Ireland they are entitled to be treated exactly the same as everyone else in Ireland

Spuddeeez

Hi, not sure some one pointed this out but, if your friends had already been employed in Italy, they can transfer but they will first have to do the following:

" The form E301 should be forwarded to the relevant social security authority in the other Member State to request details of the person's social insurance record in that country.

EU Records Section, Oisin House, are responsible for all Article 67 cases and should be contacted regarding the procedures to be followed in sending the E301."

Found on