BJ planned to retire after GSP fight

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“I have no clue what is going on in my head right now. I was going to make this my last fight and finish up fighting GSP. In my head, I was with [the UFC] for nine or ten years and I kind of just wanted to be finished with this whole thing after this. So I don’t know where my head is right now.”

GSP did us a favour so. I love watching BJ fight, I don't want him to retire but can 100% understand why he would.

rovert

I posted a story earlier in the week hinting about this. Anyways there was no way Dana would let someone vacate two titles at once.

rovert

rovert wrote: »

I posted a story earlier in the week hinting about this. Anyways there was no way Dana would let someone vacate two titles at once.

Horses mouth > hint

Em, theres not a whole lot Dana could have done about it. He can't make him fight.

rovert

Deleted User wrote: »

Horses mouth > hint

Em, theres not a whole lot Dana could have done about it. He can't make him fight.

I dont know how many fights Penn has left but the UFC are pretty ruthless in getting what they want.

JohnMc1

Deleted User wrote: »

Em, theres not a whole lot Dana could have done about it. He can't make him fight.

Tell Randy that. As long as you're Champion your contract keeps extending. That's what made Randy return.

ta2liam

rovert wrote: »

I dont know how many fights Penn has left but the UFC are pretty ruthless in getting what they want.

They sure are but it just sounds like he is taking the loss very bitterly. He'll fight some micky mouse "title contender" in the LW devision, kick crap outta him and get his confidence back then he'll be the same old glove licking BJ as always:D

The Sparrow

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Tell Randy that. As long as you're Champion your contract keeps extending. That's what made Randy return.

Yeah but Randy didn't want to retire. He wanted to fight Fedor in a different organisation. If BJ really wants to retire, UFC can't do a thing. If he doesn't want to fight anymore his exclusive fighting contract with UFC is pretty worthless tbh and it will eventually run out.

I for one hope BJ stays around as he is an awesome fighter at 155.

rovert

ta2liam wrote: »

They sure are but it just sounds like he is taking the loss very bitterly.

Given his belief in himself Id say this loss rocked him to his very core.

ta2liam wrote: »

He'll fight some micky mouse "title contender" in the LW devision, kick crap outta him and get his confidence back then he'll be the same old glove licking BJ as always:D

Either that or he'll wake up on his next birthday and decide to knock the training lark on the head and go back to his old ways. :P

ta2liam

rovert wrote: »

Given his belief in himself Id say this loss rocked him to his very core.

he is very big headed but he lost at 170 so he shouldn't be that upset, he should stick to the 155 devision. as much as i'm not a big fan of BJ it would be a big loss to see him leave the UFC and mma in general.

JohnMc1

woooo232 wrote: »

Yeah but Randy didn't want to retire. He wanted to fight Fedor in a different organisation. If BJ really wants to retire, UFC can't do a thing. If he doesn't want to fight anymore his exclusive fighting contract with UFC is pretty worthless tbh and it will eventually run out.

I for one hope BJ stays around as he is an awesome fighter at 155.

Randy tried to "retire" to try and get out of his contract to fight Fedor IIRC. This is just BJ looking for sympathy IMO. He even said on facebook that he may be fighting Florian in June.

JohnMc1

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Tell Randy that. As long as you're Champion your contract keeps extending. That's what made Randy return.

Randy wanted to keep fighting not retire.

agardiner22

Randy was pissed at the money he was making and decided to "retire".

rovert

agardiner22 wrote: »

Randy was pissed at the money he was making and decided to "retire".

Not true was more to do with office relations and them not valuing him.

agardiner22

agardiner22 wrote: »

Randy was pissed at the money he was making and decided to "retire".

Actually:


- He wanted to fight Fedor
- He wasn't happy with how the UFC were treating him.
- He felt he wasn't getting paid what he deserved relative to others like Chuck and Hughes.


And also....he didn't "retire", he "resigned".


If BJ wanted to retire the UFC cannot stop him. the only thing they could stop him doing is coming back and fighting in another org. So stop with the stupid debate on that. It's not slave labour we're talking about here.

JohnMc1

rovert wrote: »

Not true was more to do with office relations and them not valuing him.

That was about as credible as when Tito said it. Randy tried retiring to try and get out of his contract to try and fight Fedor. Dana smelled a rat and wouldn't let him go. Hence the whole year long legal battle which only ended because Randy's bank acct diminished

agardiner22

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually:


- He wanted to fight Fedor
- He wasn't happy with how the UFC were treating him.
- He felt he wasn't getting paid what he deserved relative to others like Chuck and Hughes.


And also....he didn't "retire", he "resigned".


If BJ wanted to retire the UFC cannot stop him. the only thing they could stop him doing is coming back and fighting in another org. So stop with the stupid debate on that. It's not slave labour we're talking about here.

Yea thats it thats the one.

rovert

JohnMc1 wrote: »

That was about as credible as when Tito said it. Randy tried retiring to try and get out of his contract to try and fight Fedor. Dana smelled a rat and wouldn't let him go. Hence the whole year long legal battle which only ended because Randy's bank acct diminished

Source please.

Dave Meltzer, Johnathen Snowden et al. have very differing accounts to yours. Dont talk about credible sources when you offer none.

Also see post #14

agardiner22

rovert wrote: »

Not true was more to do with office relations and them not valuing him.

Evaluate office relations pls and where can i find d source pls

The Sparrow

rovert wrote: »

Source please.

Dave Meltzer, Johnathen Snowden et al. have very differing accounts to yours. Dont talk about credible sources when you offer none.

Eh I don't see any sources for the comments that you have made in this thread... eg:

rovert wrote: »

Anyways there was no way Dana would let someone vacate two titles at once.

Show me a source of how exactly Dana or anybody in UFC could stop a fighter retiring no matter how many titles they have?? Seriously don't start getting pedantic about sources unless you can back up your points too.

rovert

woooo232 wrote: »

Eh I don't see any sources for the comments that you have made in this thread... eg:.

Except the ones I named in the post of mine which you quoted. Would never made that post if it was for JohnMc1's dismissive reply. As I said in my previous "don’t talk about credible sources when you offer none" JohnMc raised the issue of credibility not me.

woooo232 wrote: »

Show me a source of how exactly Dana or anybody in UFC could stop a fighter retiring no matter how many titles they have?? Seriously don't start getting pedantic about sources unless you can back up your points too.

You know the difference between fact and opinion is right? Well that was my opinion after following how Dana has done business for the last 8 years and how title lineage is so important in combat sports.

agardiner22

Could u post a link rovert to the sources of the names that u supplied, would be nice u know:D:D:D:D:D

rovert

agardiner22 wrote: »

Could u post a link rovert to the sources of the names that u supplied, would be nice u know:D:D:D:D:D

Wha? I already did.

agardiner22

In what thread then?

rovert

agardiner22 wrote: »

In what thread then?

This thread post #17

Fozzy

agardiner22 wrote: »

Could u post a link rovert to the sources of the names that u supplied, would be nice u know:D:D:D:D:D

I'm not sure about Snowden, but Meltzer counts Joe Silva as one of his best friends. About as good a source as you can get, along with Dana too

Snowden's book, Total MMA, is an extremely well-researched book

Do you really think that the UFC wouldn't put up the hardest fight that they could to get BJ not to retire if he'd won both titles? Dana's already convinced BJ to train to his fullest potential in the past, I think he'd figure out a way to appeal to BJ's ego

I'd still love to see him fight Guida, Diaz, Florian and a few others. I'm sure he'll be back

rovert

Fozzy wrote: »

I'm not sure about Snowden, but Meltzer counts Joe Silva as one of his best friends. About as good a source as you can get, along with Dana too

Snowden's book, Total MMA, is an extremely well-researched book

Do you really think that the UFC wouldn't put up the hardest fight that they could to get BJ not to retire if he'd won both titles? Dana's already convinced BJ to train to his fullest potential in the past, I think he'd figure out a way to appeal to BJ's ego

Or gulit trip him.

Not only that Dana/UFC traditionally loathe tournaments.

Yea they could TRY all of these things. But at the end of the day, if BJ had his heart set on retirement there is SFA they could do about it.

The Sparrow

Fozzy wrote: »

Do you really think that the UFC wouldn't put up the hardest fight that they could to get BJ not to retire if he'd won both titles? Dana's already convinced BJ to train to his fullest potential in the past, I think he'd figure out a way to appeal to BJ's ego

But what could they actually do if BJ had made up his mind? Nobody doubts that UFC would try and get him to change his mind. Of course they would as he is one of their biggest stars. But the point is that they couldn't do a thing about if he made his mind up.

rovert wrote:

As I said in my previous "don’t talk about credible sources when you offer none" JohnMc raised the issue of credibility not me.

You are far too defensive and far too often your pedantic posts drag threads off topic. If it was up to me I would ban you every time you said:

rovert wrote:

I posted a story earlier in the week hinting about this.

Seriously who cares???

rovert

woooo232 wrote: »

You are far too defensive and far too often your pedantic posts drag threads off topic. If it was up to me I would ban you every time you said:

Once again Ill explain this to you as I did in post#20 I would never made that post if it was for JohnMc1's dismissive reply. As I said in my previous "don’t talk about credible sources when you offer none" JohnMc raised the issue of credibility not me. Please dont accuse people of dragging threads off topic when I have repeat points to you.

woooo232 wrote: »

Seriously who cares???

It was a supporting point in case you didnt notice....

ryoishin

If BJ wants to retire no one can stop him but Dana could make life difficult for him as he did for randy. I remember seeing something on youtube where BJ said he wanted to concentrate on BJJ comps for awhile.


Randy mentions a number of things in wrestling for mma about his issues with the UFC.

dunkamania

This thread has taken a turn for the worst. No more back and forth arguing. If you dont have something constructive to post, dont post it.

Derek Coleman

woooo232 wrote: »

You are far too defensive and far too often your pedantic posts drag threads off topic.

+1
I completely agree. Its really tiresome. And please dont have a go at me, cause its nothing personal. I just hate reading through your disagreements with people and QUOTE filled posts.

Derek Coleman

Sorry about that off topic comment.

Anyway I'm sure BJ can retire anytime he wants. He would just have to negotiate money issues. He would probably end up losing money. But if he didn't care about that then there's nothing anyone can do I suppose.

rovert

Derek Coleman wrote: »

+1
I completely agree. Its really tiresome. And please dont have a go at me, cause its nothing personal. I just hate reading through your disagreements with people and QUOTE filled posts.

FOR THE THIRD TIME I DIDNT BRING UP THE CREDITABILITY ISSUE

Nothingcompares

rovert wrote: »

FOR THE THIRD TIME I DIDNT BRING UP THE CREDITABILITY ISSUE

Rovert, my wrestling friend, you do not have to write back to every post directed at you, you do not have to respond to provocation. You can let some things go man, we won't think less of you for it.


I can well imagine BJ retiring for a year or 2 with both the belts just for the craic but i'm sure he'd get stuck back in sooner or later. I'd love to see Bj do more grappling competitions, see how he gets on with the Marcelo Garcia's of the grappling world. But, I wouldn't want to see it at the expense of MMA. Watching grappling comps compared to the worst mma is still like watching paint dry.

rovert

Can we just move on guys?

Clive

LOL