Do You Hate Raymond Deane?

mikeglee

Do You Hate Raymond Deane and his eF'in Seachanges? Why the hell could we not study something with a bit of bloody melody?! Whats the point? Its just 12 minutes of noise which sounds like its being played by a group of junior infants who have just found a pile of instruments in the corner of a room.

marshmallow

YES

lilmissprincess

With every bone in my body.

sillymoo

Does anyone have a link for it or anything? I want to hear this

PurpleFistMixer

On the upside, it IS very easy to talk about...

Guitarist-JEM

I don't like it at all...in a way it's not even that original since he got practically every idea from other pieces!..
sergeant peppers lonely hearts club band is good though!:)

Futurism

Yes,I absolutely hate him. Seachanges was made to make every music student cringe.

Twinkle-star15

God, don't even get me started! I'm terrible at the listening anyway, and at least the sections and themes in the other works are easy enough to pick out. How is playing the violin like a deaf three-year old 'music'???

HUNK

With a passion :pac:

mikeglee

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

On the upside, it IS very easy to talk about...

That is true

Dante

I can't see what the big fuss about Seachanges is....
....Its regarded as one of the best musical rape scenes in modern music!

xOxSinéadxOx

It doesn't really bother me, I dislike the mozart one more

PurpleFistMixer

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

It doesn't really bother me, I dislike the mozart one more

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The second movement of the mozart is just exquisite!

Fuascailt

Wait till it comes on in the actual exam and the supervisor is like "wtf?". We met him, what a ledge. He kept going "There isnt really much to say about this section" and talking for 15 minutes

xOxSinéadxOx

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

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The second movement of the mozart is just exquisite!

I can't really remeber what mozart sounds like except that I don't like it :P

Twilightning

...is it a good thing I haven't heard it yet? I heard our teacher discussing it and even she said she hated it.

PurpleFistMixer

Fuascailt wrote: »

Wait till it comes on in the actual exam and the supervisor is like "wtf?".

Yeah... I think the Totentanz section came up for me, the superviser got some surprise.

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

I can't really remeber what mozart sounds like except that I don't like it :P

It's great! The third movement is a bit of a pain to learn, form-wise etc., but the second movement, while very melancholy, is quite beautiful. Particlarly the 1st and 3rd themes.

sock puppet

Twilightning wrote: »

...is it a good thing I haven't heard it yet? I heard our teacher discussing it and even she said she hated it.

I don't mind it. I dislike Berlioz and the Beatles more (except for Sergeant Pepper's lonely hearts club band. I love that song). One thing I've noticed is that people hear about it and seem to decide that they hate it before even listening to it.

You probably won't like it though:pac:

Twilightning

sock puppet wrote: »

I don't mind it. I dislike Berlioz and the Beatles more (except for Sergeant Pepper's lonely hearts club band. I love that song). One thing I've noticed is that people hear about it and seem to decide that they hate it before even listening to it.

You probably won't like it though:pac:

If the replies to this topic are anything to go by, I most likely won't!

welcomeinjam

Ok I'm gonna step in and defend it. I actually really liked it I think the intro is great it really does bring across the feeling of a scorching sun which was the point. Of course the intro doesn't take a lot of talent to make but it wasn't about sounding good its about painting a picture through music and musical ideas.

Twilightning

welcomeinjam wrote: »

Ok I'm gonna step in and defend it. I actually really liked it I think the intro is great it really does bring across the feeling of a scorching sun which was the point. Of course the intro doesn't take a lot of talent to make but it wasn't about sounding good its about painting a picture through music and musical ideas.

Why else would anybody listen to music in the first place?

I don't think the majority of people listen to music purely for the sake of having a lovely picture being painted in their head through the music. I know I don't anyway. If I wanna see a painted picture I'll head to an art gallery in town. :pac:

HUNK

Well, my Music teacher told me that he, the man himself, said that not even he would sit down and listen to it. :eek: Of course this could be Bull**** .

cautioner

It's growing on me. I find everything after the intro quite enjoyable tolerable.

mikeglee

I just wanna re-surface this old thread again just to see what people are thinking at this stage of the year

aine-maire

Cannot WAIT to delete it from my ipod!

Berlioz, Beatles and Mozart will,however,be staying

Only good thing I have to say about it is that unlike Mozart's 3rd movement it just has 3 different themes really...

-ME-

I quite like it actually... It's certainly unlike anything I've ever heard before. Very easy to study in comparison Berlioz or Mozart.

Pet

Ahhh, memories.

I actually grew to like the Deane piece by the time the exam rolled around. I had a really good teacher in Walton's who explained it quite well.

The Mozart piece is nice, but a bit bland, aside from the second movement which I love. The Marche au Supplice from the Berlioz is fantastic.

Twilightning

-ME- wrote: »

I quite like it actually... It's certainly unlike anything I've ever heard before. Very easy to study in comparison Berlioz or Mozart.

Consider visiting a psychiatrist. :pac:

OxfordComma

I did at first, but after two years he's starting to grow on me. It's certainly the easiest set work.

I'm going to get lynched for saying that, amn't I?!


In any case, be grateful you're not doing the other set works (group a). Ever heard the modern piece they have to study?? o______0

Du

mikeglee wrote: »

I just wanna re-surface this old thread again just to see what people are thinking at this stage of the year

yeah it grows on you, actually does have melody in the 3 note cell

Dumbledore

Do I hate Raymond Dean? No He does some good political work.
Do I hate Seachanges? Absolutely it wrecks my head and is sounds like a donkey being hacked to death by two machete-wielding scumbags.

Twilightning

Dumbledore wrote: »

Do I hate Raymond Dean? No He does some good political work.
Do I hate Seachanges? Absolutely it wrecks my head and is sounds like a donkey being hacked to death by two machete-wielding scumbags.

Someone who's clearly on the trolley. Good man yourself.

Fluorescence

Lol I don't hate it - the main melody is really nice! It's the totentanz and dies irae that rapes my ear canals.... :eek:

tootyflutty

Honestly? Not really, and when our class got to meet him, he wasn't half as angry or jealous as everyone makes him out to be.
At first it grated a bit, but I actually sort of like it now
I LOVE the Mozart and Berlioz though! I think Un Ball in particular is the nicest section we get to study.
Dunno why but the Beatles pieces never really did it for me . .

mink_man

you hate raymond deane and raymond deane hates you!

electrogrimey

The fact that people here are saying that they hate the Mozart, the Berlioz and Seachanges just shows that people don't appreciate what they don't understand/find familiar...I'm willing to bet that most of the people saying they don't like the Mozart/Berlioz have never listened to another piece of classical or romantic music, and the Deane is just the same, I'd say people don't like it because they never listen to any modern music. I do like it, maybe not as much as the music I normally listen to, but it's not fair to slate it just because your ears arn't used to that kind of music.

mikeglee

electrogrimey wrote: »

The fact that people here are saying that they hate the Mozart, the Berlioz and Seachanges just shows that people don't appreciate what they don't understand/find familiar...I'm willing to bet that most of the people saying they don't like the Mozart/Berlioz have never listened to another piece of classical or romantic music, and the Deane is just the same, I'd say people don't like it because they never listen to any modern music. I do like it, maybe not as much as the music I normally listen to, but it's not fair to slate it just because your ears arn't used to that kind of music.

I like mozart and berlioz, however I disagree with your point on Deane.

internetaddict

Superintendent: *presses button, thinking about how are lucky they are to listen to music for the entire exam.*

CD Player: *Shrieking violins*


It's definitely not the nicest piece..lol
He should've stuck with the nice violin piece.

electrogrimey

mikeglee wrote: »

I like mozart and berlioz, however I disagree with your point on Deane.

Would you care to elaborate?

Fluorescence

Well Deane has written some lovely contemporary music (check out some of his arrangements for string quartet) but Seachanges is more of an experiment than actual music IMO. Great for analysis but not so great for the ears :P:rolleyes:

mikeglee

electrogrimey wrote: »

Would you care to elaborate?

In my opinon, I don't think that it's possible to catorgorise this piece of music because it's so unique. Basically, I do not think that many people want to get used to it because my friend, let's face it, it is a lot of useless noise with the odd element of a nice progression throughout. Which in turn, turns people away from it because they don't want to hear a nice part and then get thier ear drums punished by a piccolo thats played at ultr-sonic levels. In my case, if I want ot hear a good piece of music I'll stick with something like Mozart.................or Iron Maiden!:cool::D

electrogrimey

The fact that you described it as noise proved my point, your ears don't recognise the music in it...just like I'm sure if you listened to some out there jazz. But, if you started listening to that kind of music, you'd eventually appreciate it. Just like how parents call heavy metal or dance music noise, because they arn't used to it.

Saffy

yes, I hate seachanges!!
and its probably going to come up as Q1:rolleyes:

mikeglee

electrogrimey wrote: »

The fact that you described it as noise proved my point, your ears don't recognise the music in it...just like I'm sure if you listened to some out there jazz. But, if you started listening to that kind of music, you'd eventually appreciate it. Just like how parents call heavy metal or dance music noise, because they arn't used to it.

I surrender! You are a worthy advisory

electrogrimey

I wish leaving cert papers could say that...