Would you play on a friday?

poster

I am looking to pool members to see if they would play in a charity golf classic on a Friday in April. The prizes that are being offered are considerable in excess of €2,000, 4 ball at €500 per 4 ball

copacetic

Is this for charity or a money making exercise for yourself?

poster

its for a charity, a school which is a registered charity.

kingshankly

friday seems to be the most popular day for classics played in a few last year

Dublin Spur

I'd be interested - like playing in these kinda events.

Trampas

whats the course?

meal afterwards?

What about none GUI handicap players? this one can ruin a classic where you get players with no handicap and its he hardly ever plays and he is about an 18 who comes in with 40+

poster

Course would be Moyvalley and yes 3 course meal afterwards

sternn

I am hoping to organise a classic too in April. I think we will expect in excess of 100 people, but are having nothing like the prize fund you are offering. Our tickets are €300 per team including 3 course meal. Im hoping for a good show. For prize funds like that, you have the guys that mind their handicap and come out and shoot rediculous scores.

poster

Sternn where you holding your event

slumped

poster wrote: »

I am looking to pool members to see if they would play in a charity golf classic on a Friday in April. The prizes that are being offered are considerable in excess of €2,000, 4 ball at €500 per 4 ball

As long as each individual doesn't win a prize in excess of the prescribed limits you will be OK.

If each prize is valued at 2k per person it's unlikely Moyvalley (or any club) will allow the event.

S

ShriekingSheet

slumped wrote: »

As long as each individual doesn't win a prize in excess of the prescribed limits you will be OK.

If each prize is valued at 2k per person it's unlikely Moyvalley (or any club) will allow the event.

S

Would it be because of the breach in the rules of amateur status you mean? Is that what you meant by prescribed limits?

Hobart

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Would it be because of the breach in the rules of amateur status you mean? Is that what you meant by prescribed limits?

http://www.gui.ie/template1.asp?parent=15&parent2=60&pid=60&area=2

I think there is a limit of around €500 (or close) on the value of each individual prize. I know of one club that was excluded for a couple of years from the GUI because of the value of the prizes given out on their captains day.

ShriekingSheet

Hobart wrote: »

http://www.gui.ie/template1.asp?parent=15&parent2=60&pid=60&area=2

I think there is a limit of around €500 (or close) on the value of each individual prize. I know of one club that was excluded for a couple of years from the GUI because of the value of the prizes given out on their captains day.

Yeah I'm aware of the limits, what I was surprised at was the suggestion that the course hosting a day run by a third party would be in any way responsible for the potential breach.

If a club and it's own officials are resposnible, like in the captain's day, it's clearly their fault but in this case it's not a GUI club running the competition - it's a private third party.

I don't know what the answer is, as to who's responsible, just surprised when I thought about the possibility of a course being held liable by the GUI. I don't know whether I agree or disagree wither, there's pros and cons.

Hobart

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Yeah I'm aware of the limits, what I was surprised at was the suggestion that the course hosting a day run by a third party would be in any way responsible for the potential breach.

If a club and it's own officials are resposnible, like in the captain's day, it's clearly their fault but in this case it's not a GUI club running the competition - it's a private third party.

I don't know what the answer is, as to who's responsible, just surprised when I thought about the possibility of a course being held liable by the GUI. I don't know whether I agree or disagree wither, there's pros and cons.

Any club affiliated with the GUI, must abide by it's bylaws. I would imagine that Moyvalley are a GUI affiliated club (but I'm open to correction here).

ShriekingSheet

Hobart wrote: »

Any club affiliated with the GUI, must abide by it's bylaws. I would imagine that Moyvalley are a GUI affiliated club (but I'm open to correction here).

Gah. I'm not being clear. I know they are affiliated. My point is, if a third party (in this case a charity) hosts a day on your course and gives out prizes that breach the rules, can the club be liable?

I don't know the answer. I can see why they should be and why they shouldn't be.

I'm surprised at the possibility because having played a lot of golf in corporate/charity days with big prizes, I don't think the course officials would ever be checking to ensure the rules of ama status are being adhered to... And I have seen some outrageous prizes.

The nub of the issue is the Captain's prize example was run by a club - prizes were selected by a club official. In the Charity example the club essentially just accept the green fees for the day and the Charity are in charge of prizes.

Hobart

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Gah. I'm not being clear. I know they are affiliated. My point is, if a third party (in this case a charity) hosts a day on your course and gives out prizes that breach the rules, can the club be liable?

I don't know the answer. I can see why they should be and why they shouldn't be.

I'm surprised at the possibility because having played a lot of golf in corporate/charity days with big prizes, I don't think the course officials would ever be checking to ensure the rules of ama status are being adhered to... And I have seen some outrageous prizes.

The nub of the issue is the Captain's prize example was run by a club - prizes were selected by a club official. In the Charity example the club essentially just accept the green fees for the day and the Charity are in charge of prizes.

Did you have a look at the link I posted above?


UNION BYE-LAW 15 - SOCIETY COMPETITIONS

15.1 No Affiliated Club shall grant permission to any group of golfers, whether registered with the Union or non-registered, to play over its links or course unless it shall first receive an assurance in writing that the group will:-

15.1.1 conform strictly with the “Rules of Golf “ and the “Rules of Amateur Status “ as prescribed by the R & A Rules Ltd.

15.1.2 not accept from any sponsor, group or individual any prize for competition by its members which is in excess of the retail value of prizes as permitted by the Rules of Amateur Status.

15.1.3 conform strictly with the Constitution, Rules and Bye-Laws of the Golfing Union of Ireland relating to Auction Sweeps or other gambling transactions, Prizes, Prize Vouchers and Optional Sweepstakes.

15.1.4 immediately following a competition forward to a players Home Club the original card of such player if it records a score (i) equal or better than the S.S.S., (ii) 36 or more Stableford points or (iii) all square or better against par.

15.2 Breaches of Sub Clause 15.1 shall render the Club liable to such penalties as the Union may impose.

Note: A supply of forms incorporating the above conditions are available from the Union and Clubs are urged to insist on the competition of such form by an applicant before granting facilities.

NOTES:
1. The Constitution, Rules and Bye-Laws of the Golfing Union of Ireland can be inspected at any Affiliated Club.
2. Auction Sweeps are prohibited. Prize Vouchers must be on a special Official Form (obtainable from the Housing Club). Optional Sweeps are limited to a maximum of €3 or £2.50 Sterling per competitor.
3. If a member of the Society is not a current member of a Golf Club, any handicap so allotted by the Society to him may be used by him only for the purpose of competition within the Society and not otherwise.

ShriekingSheet

Dammit. No I didn't. Apologies. And that's surprising news to me. Interesting to know.

Hobart

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Dammit. No I didn't. Apologies. And that's surprising news to me. Interesting to know.

No worries, and remember it's only affiliated clubs, and there are quite a few out there that are not affiliated. Portmarnock Golf Links springs to mind.

ShriekingSheet

Hobart wrote: »

Portmarnock Golf Links springs to mind.

Wow. Didn't know that. Any other notable exclusions? It's not really the kinda thing you could find out on Google.

f22

Actually that's about to change. Portmarnock links is now offering membership (around e1800, no initial fee). All they need is 25 members AFAIK to become a GUI affiliated club.

Good deal if you asked me, and it's on my doorstep.

ShriekingSheet

f22 wrote: »

Actually that's about to change. Portmarnock links is now offering membership (around e1800, no initial fee). All they need is 25 members AFAIK to become a GUI affiliated club.

Good deal if you asked me, and it's on my doorstep.

Ah yeah, not a bad deal at all for that price and the course, which is great.

deko43

f22 wrote: »

Actually that's about to change. Portmarnock links is now offering membership (around e1800, no initial fee). All they need is 25 members AFAIK to become a GUI affiliated club.

Good deal if you asked me, and it's on my doorstep.

Wow... that sounds good. Is that one of the memberships where you still have to pay a green fee each time you play or are they opening up the
course to general membership ? I know a number of people who might be interested.

Bull666

I'm actually playing in another golf classic in April in Carton House on a Friday.
So your right majority of these classics seem to be a Friday.