Mutual Exclusivity--A Poem Comments welcome

Reilly616

You say this gleaming man, this King
Can do whate’er, when’er he wants.
You add to this; he knows all things,
A fact which on the surface seems
To be the product of esteem.

But no, you hold it to be true.
Alas I must explain to you—
With all respect to that wandering Jew—
There are some things no thing can do

Omniscience and Omnipotence,
The qualities in question here,
Present a certain ignorance
To those who lack the pertinence
To realise how truly queer
It is to hold these twain so near.

It’s simple, but it’s also fact
And it takes one easy, rational act
To see the thoughts you should retract.

For if he knows what is to come,
He forefits choice in what to do.
To futures seen, he must succumb,
Lest he be wrong in what he viewed.
To say again; if he had choice,
And acted other than predicted
Omnipotence would be upheld, but Omnisceience contradicted.

Hope you like it.

Mario007

Reilly616 wrote: »

You say this gleaming man, this King
Can do whate’er, when’er he wants.
You add to this; he knows all things,
A fact which on the surface seems
To be the product of esteem.

But no, you hold it to be true.
Alas I must explain to you—
With all respect to that wandering Jew—
There are some things no thing can do

Omniscience and Omnipotence,
The qualities in question here,
Present a certain ignorance
To those who lack the pertinence
To realise how truly queer
It is to hold these twain so near.

It’s simple, but it’s also fact
And it takes one easy, rational act
To see the thoughts you should retract.

For if he knows what is to come,
He forefits choice in what to do.
To futures seen, he must succumb,
Lest he be wrong in what he viewed.
To say again; if he had choice,
And acted other than predicted
Omnipotence would be upheld, but Omniceience contradicted.

Hope you like it

haha i liked it, it rhymed, the flow was good and you used lots of nice words so that gave it a poetic feel. it kinda reminded me of la bell dan sans merci, to be honest, in that medieval feel:D
well done, but do sir tell me how long did you take to write it? lets destroy the poetic tabboo

Reilly616

Mario007 wrote: »

haha i liked it, it rhymed, the flow was good and you used lots of nice words so that gave it a poetic feel. it kinda reminded me of la bell dan sans merci, to be honest, in that medieval feel:D
well done, but do sir tell me how long did you take to write it? lets destroy the poetic tabboo

Let's; I wrote it over two days, possibly a total of a few hours on and off, including the time thinking but not really attempting to write... If you know what I mean.

Sent it to Richard Dawkins. He liked it too and sent it on to the woman he quoted on this matter in his book. That's about the best achivement I could have hoped for when writing such a poem.

Thanks for the thoughts Mario!

Mario007

Reilly616 wrote: »

Let's; I wrote it over two days, possibly a total of a few hours on and off, including the time thinking but not really attempting to write... If you know what I mean.

Sent it to Richard Dawkins He liked it too and sent it on to the woman he quoted on this matter in his book. That's about the best achivement I could have hoped for when writing such a poem.

Thanks for the thoughts Mario

oh cool! thats pretty nice! i love when a famous person likes something you wrote, it might be that its just that one famous person liking it and everyone else hating it, but it sooo overules everyone else:D

Reilly616

Mario007 wrote: »

oh cool! thats pretty nice! i love when a famous person likes something you wrote, it might be that its just that one famous person liking it and everyone else hating it, but it sooo overules everyone else:D

Totally does!!!

Reilly616

Any other opinions?

busted flush

no

Reilly616

busted flush wrote: »

no

Capitalisation and punctuation are your friends...

magicass

Reilly616 wrote: »

Capitalisation and punctuation are your friends...

Yes. Now go to bed you have school in the morning !

Reilly616

magicass wrote: »

Yes. Now go to bed you have school in the morning !

I find tonight's homework to be of a more immediate nature than tomorrow's school.

magicass

Reilly616 wrote: »

I find tonight's homework to be of a more immediate nature than tomorrow's school.

Interesting, i find that you keep responding almost exclusively to your own posts in a manner that is extremley vain, it both repulses and irritates me in equal measures.Why cant you just let the people on this forum respond to threads, that they want to, instead of panicking every time yours slips down the notice board. It only confirms what i have always suspected about you, that you vanity far succeeds your talent.

Reilly616

magicass wrote: »

Interesting, i find that you keep responding almost exclusively to your own posts in a manner that is extremley vain, it both repulses and irritates me in equal measures.Why cant you just let the people on this forum respond to threads, that they want to, instead of panicking every time yours slips down the notice board. It only confirms what i have always suspected about you, that you vanity far succeeds your talent.

Well, panicking would imply emotional investment, so I wouldn't go that far. Bumping a thread when the activity on a board is high seems like a logical enough thing to do.

I apologise that you have become repulsed and irritated by that. But I do find it odd that you have "always suspected" something about me, since you don't even know me, and I can't have posted much more than a score of comments here to this point.

By the way, it seems that only about 50% of my comments are on my own threads. Considering that's where I chat to my friends that seems pretty damn reasonable dontcha think?

magicass

Reilly616 wrote: »

Considering that's where I chat to my friends that seems pretty damn reasonable dontcha think?

Dont you mean "friend", who is now tucked away in bed dreaming of being the next Yeats. You are certainly achieving what you have set out to do here now anyway, and that is generating (although very troolish), interest in your above piece. No doubt, now people will read it when they notice how many responses it has received and maybe tomorrow someone will make a new comment on it and once again your undeniable vanity will be stroked and you will feel once again satisfied . It is digusting. I will not be responding to this threat any more.

Reilly616

magicass wrote: »

Dont you mean "friend", who is now tucked away in bed dreaming of being the next Yeats. You are certainly achieving what you have set out to do here now anyway, and that is generating (although very troolish), interest in your above piece. No doubt, now people will read it when they notice how many responses it has received and maybe tomorrow someone will make a new comment on it and once again your undeniable vanity will be stroked and you will feel once again satisfied . It is digusting. I will not be responding to this threat any more.

Interesting slip up on that last line And no, the pluralisation was intentional. Three of my friends have an account, I've spoken with two online here so far. By the way, there's no need to conceal that dirty mind of yours with colourful metaphors;) Stroking and satisfaction in one sentence, my I'm feeling flushed. Anywho... back on topic. Hopefully the will be some people here willing to take life less seriously.

Sarky

magicass banned for a week for personal abuse.

The rest of you can grow the hell up. Every thread you kids have started so far has degenerated into intolerably smug **** that borders on abusive to others. Cut that sh*t out. You're welcome to post, to comment on eachother's work and that of other posters, but keep the pointless waffle in check.

pisslips

If I may be so bold, the pair of you have the most pecular tone and cultured sentiment in your voice.
I've been reading this thread, god knows why and for some odd reason I have two distinct voices.

Reilly616

Sarky; Apologies. It's just a bit of fun. I hope you'll take note that we don't post like this outside of our own threads.

sitout

Sarky wrote: »

The rest of you can grow the hell up. Every thread you kids have started so far has degenerated into intolerably smug **** that borders on abusive to others. Cut that sh*t out. You're welcome to post, to comment on eachother's work and that of other posters, but keep the pointless waffle in check.

Well said. Very well said.

Insect Overlord

It's actually a very good piece of poetry. I don't have the patience to take on the theme of religion when I write, but you've done well with this effort.

Reilly616

An File wrote: »

It's actually a very good piece of poetry. I don't have the patience to take on the theme of religion when I write, but you've done well with this effort.

Thank you. Much appreciated!

sMacktardism

It's like you used unusual words to make it seem different, almost like some sort of poetry.......

Homicidal_jesus

sMacktardism wrote: »

It's like you used unusual words to make it seem different, almost like some sort of poetry.......

Poetry?What a retard!!:p:p:p:D:pac:

Mario007

Homicidal_jesus wrote: »

Poetry?What a retard!!:p:p:p:D:pac:

i mean come on, no one writes poetry nowadays...the most we young ones write is a text message, never mind putting meaning into words:p:cool::D:D:D:D

Fartmonger

The poem has a really nice rhythm, especially the last stanza.

It's just a pity that rational arguments like the omnipotence paradox are completely out of place in, mostly irrational, religious debate. Choice quote from wikipedia: Some, however, argue that omnipotence grants the ability to bend logic, therefore rendering the paradox useless.

It reminds me of arguments I had when I was a child:
"I shot you!"
"Nuh-Uh - I have bullet proof armour!"

Reilly616

Fartmonger wrote: »

The poem has a really nice rhythm, especially the last stanza.

It's just a pity that rational arguments like the omnipotence paradox are completely out of place in, mostly irrational, religious debate. Choice quote from wikipedia: Some, however, argue that omnipotence grants the ability to bend logic, therefore rendering the paradox useless.

It reminds me of arguments I had when I was a child:
"I shot you!"
"Nuh-Uh - I have bullet proof armour!"

Lol True, true. Though I, and most, would deem their arguement lost if they resorted to that. This poem is for those mildly religious people who have never really thought about it. Thanks for the comment.