Integra v 200sx

Graham_B18C

I've been saving for a new car for ages and was pretty set on a DC2 Type R, but lately I've been thinking about a 200sx (S14 shape) and was wondering which would be better to go for?

Been in Teg's but never 200's. I know their totally different cars but they're fairly similarly priced and similar enough power.

The only thing that is amking me consider the Teg more is because I've never owned a RWD or a turbo before...

But I love the look of both cars! I'm torn!

Any help from someone in the know would be great

p-nut

as you noted, they're both completely different animals.

The teg-r is a light, fwd, 1.8 high revving vtec. probably one of the best handling fwd cars out there. pretty much developed for a race track, so they're pretty harsh, but pefectly balanced as standard. lovely racey interior, really feel special to drive. will give good mpg if you keep it out of vtec, but fast and noisy as fcuk once ya rev it high. lovely car if ya ask me, defo aspire to own one at some stage

On the other hand, the 200sx is a big heavy 2 litre turbo rwd. will deliver its power much differently, a lot lower down than the teg but with buckets more torque. Lovely comfy seats and great cars for cruising/having fun in;) due to it being a turbo, can get huge power gains a lot easier than from a non turbo engine with a few modifications. will be a lot heavier on petrol a lot more often than the teg.

In both cases, there are european and japanese versions of each car, with the jap's usually being more powerful and better kitted out when they arrive, not to mention in better condition. Jap's are also generally more expensive/harder to insure so something else to take into account. If you go for a teg, look for a facelifted model (1998+) or if you go for a 200sx, also look for the facelifted s14a (1996+ iirc) as they both look far better.

So basically, it all boils down to whether you want a high revving, nimble road going track car, or a big turbocharged rwd cruiser with plenty of potential. If you decide to go for the s14a, make sure you get used to driving rwd before you go lashing it into corners. Personally, the teg would be the car of my choice;)

Hope this helps:)

Duff

Agree with p-nut. Teg hands down everytime. Only allure of the 200sx is the RWD turbo which would be very sore on juice and would bore me after a week.

Graham_B18C

Cheers for the replies, the oul 200 is easier to insure too, tis part of the appeal

Gumbo

very tough choice you have there, i love absolutely ITR's, really miss my old DC2.

but this is nice too : http://www.dtdirl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35061

would be nice to have that effortless power at your fingertips.

p-nut

Grahamo999 wrote: »

Cheers for the replies, the oul 200 is easier to insure too, tis part of the appeal

insurance may be cheaper, but at the end of the day man, an integra is a 1.8 litre n/a engine and the 200sx is a 2 litre turbo engine.

Tax on an integra is 551 a year
Tax on a 200sx is 614 a year

Turbocharged engines are generally known for using a fair bit more petrol than naturally aspirated engines, AND the fact that the 200sx is 200cc's bigger doesnt help either.

What you dont spend on insurance by buying the 200sx, you will make up for on tax and running costs

Mk3Mad

If u ask me both r lovely cars, it just cums dwn 2 weither ur sumone who likes rallyin round bck roads r sumone who likes showin off in a car park
Personally id av d 200, purely caus its RWD

enviro

If you are planing to tune up/ mod, then id pick the 200.
Any other time the teg. A true honda masterpiece. Get a teg 1998 or later. Better spec as standard.

What ever you decide on, As soon as you buy it get some security going on ASAP

ARGINITE

+1 for the Teg DC2 or DC5

Gumbo

enviro wrote: »

If you are planing to tune up/ mod, then id pick the 200.
Any other time the teg. A true honda masterpiece. Get a teg 1998 or later. Better spec as standard.

What ever you decide on, As soon as you buy it get some security going on ASAP

agree, before you even put your hand in ypur pockey for a smelly tree air freshner or even to wash it get an alarm fitted.

theres so many sob stories out there about cars being taken that were due for alarm fitting the next day or next on the list etc etc

Graham_B18C

Thanks for all the help, hoping to have one of em by May.

I'd love a DC5 but cant get quoted on one, got quoted on the DC2 fairly handy, its expensive but I can manage it.

98 is the year I'm hoping to get, going to be spendin about 7k ish on the car so I'll see whats the best I can get for my money

Atomic Pineapple

Grahamo999 wrote: »

Thanks for all the help, hoping to have one of em by May.

I'd love a DC5 but cant get quoted on one, got quoted on the DC2 fairly handy, its expensive but I can manage it.

If its a Jap one your after make sure that quote is for the Jap version as the Euro version is a lot easier to insure so they quote for them but when you go to insure it and find out its a Jap they wont honor the quote

Grahamo999 wrote: »

98 is the year I'm hoping to get, going to be spendin about 7k ish on the car so I'll see whats the best I can get for my money

If it's a euro one your after - http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=75215&cat=500

Gumbo

draffodx wrote: »

If its a Jap one your after make sure that quote is for the Jap version as the Euro version is a lot easier to insure so they quote for them but when you go to insure it and find out its a Jap they wont honor the quote



If it's a euro one your after - http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=75215&cat=500

i would also recommend draffodx's car, the UK spec is the same as the JDM 98spec and is easier to insure as previously mentioned.

only difference is the quad headlamps but because of that they are even more rare!

dont mind the performance difference (187bhp V 197bhp) as when the jap car lands here and runs on irl fuel, you lose the benefits of the extra 10bhp as japland have 101ron fuel over there.

seanybiker

If I was to go mental and decide to go from two wheels to four wheels I would definately pick the teg over the 200. Only thing I like about the 200 is the RWD but thats about really in my opinion. Teg all the way, lovely looking car and pretty decent speed wise. Over all just a better car.


Only reason I popped inott his thread was to see all the old fogeys whinging about the boy racer people, I must say Im a bit disappointed to not see one whinger to laugh at.


Best of luck with whatever one ya choose boss.

Atomic Pineapple

seanybiker wrote: »

If I was to go mental and decide to go from two wheels to four wheels I would definately pick the teg over the 200. Only thing I like about the 200 is the RWD but thats about really in my opinion. Teg all the way, lovely looking car and pretty decent speed wise. Over all just a better car.


Only reason I popped inott his thread was to see all the old fogeys whinging about the boy racer people, I must say Im a bit disappointed to not see one whinger to laugh at.


Best of luck with whatever one ya choose boss.

Honda initially stated when the Integra was first announced that they were trying to create a bike in the form of a car and i have to say they done a hell of a job in creating what they set out to

enviro

Ya have to hand it to honda on the job they done on the Integra alright. 1.8 N/A for good sake and handles like a dream.

draffodx wrote: »

Honda initially stated when the Integra was first announced that they were trying to create a bike in the form of a car and i have to say they done a hell of a job in creating what they set out to

Graham_B18C

draffodx wrote: »

If its a Jap one your after make sure that quote is for the Jap version as the Euro version is a lot easier to insure so they quote for them but when you go to insure it and find out its a Jap they wont honor the quote



If it's a euro one your after - http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=75215&cat=500

Ah ha, they never asked was it a JDM model, I'll probably go for the euro one so, not really too bothered if its 10 bhp less.

I'll PM you when I get the money together and see if you still have her.

Thanks for all the help lads, my minds made up officially on the teg.

Atomic Pineapple

Grahamo999 wrote: »

Ah ha, they never asked was it a JDM model, I'll probably go for the euro one so, not really too bothered if its 10 bhp less.

I'll PM you when I get the money together and see if you still have her.

Thanks for all the help lads, my minds made up officially on the teg.

May would be the perfect time for me to sell her and I'd hopefully have the synchromesh on 4th gear replaced for ya too

The 10bhp isn't noticeable as Kceire says, jap imports are run on 101ron fuel whereas we only have 95 ron here, e5 is supposed to be 99 ron but its debatable whether it actually is.

Anyway with the petrol differences a jap integra will be losing around 10bhp anyway.

garyegt

im very sorry to all those teg tr drivers but i cannot stand them theres too many wannabes out there of them and civics too. i can appreciate they are very quick cars and all that but theres far too many copies out there and that drives me mad:mad:

on the other hand, when you look at the 200sx you really do just see raw power and something to fear really. but maybe its cos im biased towards nissan and SR20's but to me theres no competition, s14 wins hands down:D

martydunf

The 'teg is more suited to Irish roads and weather conditions.
You have to be very careful driving a 200sx round twisty roads on a rainy day as apposed to a teg where I'd imagine you'd feel a lot safer (~handling wise~)

A question for the ITR boys tho....whats the ride like? i heard a few people mention that is teeth shattering stuff, especially on the back roads, but I'm hoping this isnt true as I'm quite interested in these cars...

Gumbo

martydunf wrote: »

The 'teg is more suited to Irish roads and weather conditions.
You have to be very careful driving a 200sx round twisty roads on a rainy day as apposed to a teg where I'd imagine you'd feel a lot safer (~handling wise~)

A question for the ITR boys tho....whats the ride like? i heard a few people mention that is teeth shattering stuff, especially on the back roads, but I'm hoping this isnt true as I'm quite interested in these cars...

ihad a 97 spec ITR, lowered 25mm and still on standard 15" wheels and the ride was just as bad as any other car on bad roads.

its does feel as if your hitting them worse as you have no sound proofing etc in the ITR to reduce weight but on normal roads its as comfy as can be!

i drove to cork from Dublin in my ITR no probs and no back ache etc etc

i wouldnt be too worried about the too many replicas arounds, sure theres just as much RS4 Tdi's replicas around, just as much GTi golf replicas etc etc

S.I.R

Grahamo999 wrote: »

I've been saving for a new car for ages and was pretty set on a DC2 Type R, but lately I've been thinking about a 200sx (S14 shape) and was wondering which would be better to go for?

Been in Teg's but never 200's. I know their totally different cars but they're fairly similarly priced and similar enough power.

The only thing that is amking me consider the Teg more is because I've never owned a RWD or a turbo before...

But I love the look of both cars! I'm torn!

Any help from someone in the know would be great

if you have the chance, go for rwd, let alone the turbo,


the 200sx will be the most fun you'll have in your life imho

though theyre simular in performance, once you get modding, the 200 leeps away in bounds power wise but the teg makes up for it in tractions...


but one question still remains


Understeer ( teg )

or

power over steer ?? ( 200)

the choice is quite clear as far as i can tell.

B00MSTICK

The 'teg would definitely be more suited to our roads but it depends what you want really.

They're quite expensive for what they are though. Hard/expensive to insure.

An MR2 is RWD and handles great, nice turbo engine and looks alot better than a teg IMO. Should find one around the same price as an ITR too.

If you find you want more power getting it out of the N/A will be alot harder.

You will find yourself wanting more power.

Atomic Pineapple

B00MSTICK wrote: »

You will find yourself wanting more power.

I find my Standard Integra Type R to be perfectly balanced between power and handling, its a dream to drive, makes overtaking a breeze and is perfect for the Irish roads and its weather.

A Rwd turbo car is less reliable, more costly, useless in the wet or worse conditions, you need a lot more experience to drive them, power on tap though so it may suit a persons driving style better than an Integra

A Mr2 would be better than a 200sx, I've driven a standard 200sx and there not great cars to be honest, would have to be modded to 300bhp+ to tempt me away from the Integra

B00MSTICK

Was just giving a RWD+Turbo alternative to a 200, seeing as the OP mentioned it in his 1st post.

An FTO is probably a good alternative to an ITR. Much cheaper and almost as good.
(Possibly as good as a UKDM in a straight line but maybe not quite as good round corners)

You're right though, maybe not everyone is a BHP whore!

Atomic Pineapple

B00MSTICK wrote: »

Was just giving a RWD+Turbo alternative to a 200, seeing as the OP mentioned it in his 1st post.

An FTO is probably a good alternative to an ITR. Much cheaper and almost as good.
(Possibly as good as a UKDM in a straight line but maybe not quite as good round corners)

You're right though, maybe not everyone is a BHP whore!

the ukdm teg won it for me over the fto when I was choosing, the fto is definately not as fast, lovely cars all the same and sound way sweeter than an integra and theres not as many on the road either, a very good alternative.

the mr2 is definately a good alternative for the 200sx as well, i'd have a standard mr2 over a standard 200sx anyday

martydunf

Do ye not think the FTO may be slightly girly? Especialy in red!:pac:

p-nut

martydunf wrote: »

Do ye not think the FTO may be slightly girly? Especialy in red!:pac:

fto is a mean looking car, especially the facelifted model. The 2 litre v6 mivec sounds phenominal, but the cars handle like a sack of potatoes due to the weight of the engine up front.

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p-nut wrote: »

fto is a mean looking car, especially the facelifted model. The 2 litre v6 mivec sounds phenominal, but the cars handle like a sack of potatoes due to the weight of the engine up front.

I dont agree with you on that one. I have to agree with the previous poster when he said it was a girly looking car!