land ownership

mimihops

hi guys, someone here might know the answer to this! i am wondering how you would find out who the owner is of a random field, there is doubt locally as to who owns the field as i have asked around and no-one knows. is there some kindof database somewhere that you can enquire?! thanks...

muffler

Land Registry or Registry of Deeds. You will need a map first for them to locate it on their systems.

No6

You can register at the PRAI site for eur150 and look at all the fields you want only 2.50 a go, most land is registered in someone name but they may have emigrated a long time ago. Its very very handy, I must top up my own account.

muffler

No6 wrote: »

You can register at the PRAI site for eur150 and look at all the fields you want only 2.50 a go, most land is registered in someone name but they may have emigrated a long time ago. Its very very handy, I must top up my own account.

Paddy Power ftw

Tester46

No6 wrote: »

You can register at the PRAI site for eur150 and look at all the fields you want only 2.50 a go, most land is registered in someone name but they may have emigrated a long time ago. Its very very handy, I must top up my own account.

You can also go to your county council's website and if there was a planning application it'l ll show up on a planning mapping search. If you can find it in an OSI Discovery Series map, you'll find it on the planning search.

And planning searches online are free (but it might prompt you to download som free viewing software...)

muffler

Tester46 wrote: »

You can also go to your county council's website and if there was a planning application it'l ll show up on a planning mapping search. If you can find it in an OSI Discovery Series map, you'll find it on the planning search.

And planning searches online are free (but it might prompt you to download som free viewing software...)

Sorry but this is about establishing ownership of a piece of land and not just looking for an OS map of it.

Tester46

muffler wrote: »

Sorry but this is about establishing ownership of a piece of land and not just looking for an OS map of it.

Sorry, but if you find your field on a planning search and there has been a planning application in relation to that field (surprising how many roadside fields have been the subject of a planning application) then odds on the person who applied for the planning is the owner.

At least my suggestion is free, but the OP should feel free to hand over hundreds of euro to set up an account with the Property Registration Authority (formerly the Land Registry) which he may never need to use again.

Alternatively, contact one of the law searcher companies like <SNIP> and ask them to search - they will charge a fee, but it is usually reasonable enough.

Just trying to help

muffler

Tester46 wrote: »

Sorry, but if you find your field on a planning search and there has been a planning application in relation to that field (surprising how many roadside fields have been the subject of a planning application) then odds on the person who applied for the planning is the owner.

At least my suggestion is free, but the OP should feel free to hand over hundreds of euro to set up an account with the Property Registration Authority (formerly the Land Registry) which he may never need to use again.

Alternatively, contact one of the law searcher companies like <SNIP> and ask them to search - they will charge a fee, but it is usually reasonable enough.

Just trying to help

Well you aren't helping with advice like that. Would you read the thread again and see what the OP was looking for and my response.

I never mentioned anything about signing up with any organisation and paying them money nor could I condone the idea of someone looking at planning application maps and "assuming" that the applicant is the registered owner. And unless the OP is illiterate which he/she obviously isnt then there is no need to engage the services of law searchers when he/she could do it on their own.

Tester46

muffler wrote: »

Well you aren't helping with advice like that. Would you read the thread again and see what the OP was looking for and my response.

I never mentioned anything about signing up with any organisation and paying them money nor could I condone the idea of someone looking at planning application maps and "assuming" that the applicant is the registered owner. And unless the OP is illiterate which he/she obviously isnt then there is no need to engage the services of law searchers when he/she could do it on their own.

Firstly, the free and quick planning search is a very well recognised and simple (and free) place to start. It can give some help where there is an information gap.

Secondly, believe it or not, it's not just illiterate people who use the services of law searchers. Why don't you go and contact <SNIP> and ask them are all of their customers Illiterate and see what they tell you?

You just told the OP:

Land Registry or Registry of Deeds. You will need a map first for them to locate it on their systems.

You didn't mention that you have to go to the Registry of Deeds and the Property Registration Authority (the Land Registry doesn't even exist anymore) in person and you have to know what you are at to carry out effective searches AND you still have to pay fees. If the OP doesn't have the time or inclination to do that, he can get a law searcher to do it. If the registries don't have the required information (and they regularly don't), there are other ways to deduce the ownership of land and the OP can feel free to PM me.[/SIZE]


Try to remember we are all just trying to help the OP here.

smashey

Tester46 wrote: »

Hang on a sec there pal. You may be a mod, but you are not God Almighty. Firstly, the free and quick planning search is a very well recognised and simple (and free) place to start. It can give some help where there is an information gap.

Eh, less of the attitude please. It's all well and good looking at on-line planning applications but they don't go back very far. Also, before the new planning regulations came into effect, it was possible to make an application on a piece of land without owning it. It fell under "Applicant's interest in land" and the answer was usually "propose to purchase". You tell me how applications like that could shed any light on who actually owned the land.

Tester46 wrote: »

Secondly, believe it or not, it's not just illiterate people who use the services of law searchers. Why don't you go and contact <SNIP> and ask them are all of their customers Illiterate and see what they tell you?

I think we're all aware of that. :rolleyes:

Tester46 wrote: »

You just glibly told the OP:

Glibly?

muffler's answer was perfectly correct. It was also what the OP needed.

Tester46 wrote: »

You forgot to mention that you have to go to the Registry of Deeds and the Property Registration Authority (the Land Registry doesn't even exist anymore) in person and you have to know what you are at to carry out effective searches AND you still have to pay fees. If the OP doesn't have the time or inclination to do that, he can get a law searcher to do it. If the registries don't have the required information (and they regularly don't), there are other ways to deduce the ownership of land and the OP can feel free to PM me.

Touting for business are you?

Tester46 wrote: »

Try to remember we are all just trying to help the OP here.

Correct.

Tester46

Eh, less of the attitude please.

I think you'll find I edited my post to lose the "attitude" as you call it. Let's keep it objective.

I think we're all aware of that. :rolleyes:

Then why say it in the first place?

Glibly?
muffler's answer was perfectly correct. It was also what the OP needed.

Really? How do you know it was what the OP needed?

Touting for business are you?

No. What a stupid thing to say!!!:rolleyes:

Nothing I said was incorrect, just like nothing Muffler said was incorrect. Both of our suggestions were incomplete. There's really no need to make stupid, ill-informed, ignorant and arbitrary comments like

Touting for business are you?

It doesn't exactly encourage people to assist OP's questions when I now have not one but two mods criticising me. Sorry OP, I'm outta here now - Good luck!

Quazzie

Calm Down!!

muffler

Oh dear, I go away for a couple of hours and come back to a couple of posts by Tester46 that contain at least 3 breaches of the charter.

Sorted by smashey - thanks. We can do without the attitudes here.

Mellor

Tester46 wrote: »

Sorry, but if you find your field on a planning search and there has been a planning application in relation to that field (surprising how many roadside fields have been the subject of a planning application) then odds on the person who applied for the planning is the owner.

This is not true at all.
There is no reason to assume that the applicant is the owner. He might be, he might not. It could be a relation, or a stranger. It could also be a previous owner. Or the person who thinks they are the owner, there is some sort of confusion or dispute I i'd imagine.

And besides. Even if you get a name from a planning search. You would still have to check with the registry to confirm.

mimihops

hi guys thanks for the replies....looks like i'll have to register with them so to find out who owns the field. the background to this enquiry is that i got my planning permission recently, happy days until i arrived on site last weekend to see that a series of tanks had been erected in the field next door around 1 meter from my boundary. when i say tanks i mean permanant big tanks that have nothing to do with farming, they are house height and around 25 foot diameter at least, seriously like whiddy island next door. obviously i got a big shock when i saw these things after appearing so suddenly. first port of call was i looked up the planning enquirey system, nothing there so went into the county planning offices and the guy just kept repeating that there is nothing being built there and they are probably farmers tanks...which they definitly are not. so all i want to find out now is who owns the field and no-one seems to know. the only other explanation is if the council has bought the field and are doing something with it as there is a water treatment plant for the village around 200 meters up the road. can they do works like this without planning? anyway this is the background, i'm quite upset at the moment over the whole thing, all along the place was my dream little house and site & i was dying to start building and now i have these huge tanks on my doorstep

No6

mimihops wrote: »

hi guys thanks for the replies....looks like i'll have to register with them so to find out who owns the field. the background to this enquiry is that i got my planning permission recently, happy days until i arrived on site last weekend to see that a series of tanks had been erected in the field next door around 1 meter from my boundary. when i say tanks i mean permanant big tanks that have nothing to do with farming, they are house height and around 25 foot diameter at least, seriously like whiddy island next door. obviously i got a big shock when i saw these things after appearing so suddenly. first port of call was i looked up the planning enquirey system, nothing there so went into the county planning offices and the guy just kept repeating that there is nothing being built there and they are probably farmers tanks...which they definitly are not. so all i want to find out now is who owns the field and no-one seems to know. the only other explanation is if the council has bought the field and are doing something with it as there is a water treatment plant for the village around 200 meters up the road. can they do works like this without planning? anyway this is the background, i'm quite upset at the moment over the whole thing, all along the place was my dream little house and site & i was dying to start building and now i have these huge tanks on my doorstep

Mimihops, ask your solicitor to check the land ownership for you, they are nearly all signed up with the PRAI for conveyencing. Ask for a copy only, (its cheaper!!) If there's a water treatment plant up the road it's quite possible that they are building water storage tanks which was most likely the subject of a part 8 planning application (where the Co Council applies to itself and grants it to itself!!!) Is a different process and will not be on the public register. Ask your co council for any Part 8 applications in the vicinity of your site.

nuttz

I needed to find out who owned a plot of land this week and the status of the deeds, I got this info from the land registry. The Land registry will give you this detail for a small fee.

muffler

nuttz wrote: »

I needed to find out who owned a plot of land this week and the status of the deeds, I got this info from the land registry. The Land registry will give you this detail for a small fee.

Spot on. If the OP is around Dublin or indeed any of the offices scattered around the different counties then he can pop in with his map and they will do the search directly for him.

I cant recall the fee but I think for a search and a certified copy of the folio and file plan is around €50. No point in paying solicitors or law searchers for something you can do yourself.

Although I do know a nice girl who works for one of these law searchers in Dublin - waves at Ms S. - who may be reading this.

Jimbo

OP
I'd be happy to check for you if you wish.

I'd just need a scan of the map and the site address.

partyguinness

TBH try ringing your solicitor and ask them to see cld do a quick check on the ownership of the field next door. If its a registered title then they can use the Land Reg website and tell you in minutes.

If you are a client I am sure the solicitor will not charge and will be happy to oblige. I have on numerous occasions.

mimihops

hi guys and thanks for your replies and to jimbo78 for your offer to check the ownership. i found out by taking time off work & just going out there and asking the workmen what it was, this was after going into the planning office, contacting the county engineer and the water works department and querying part 8 planning applications etc, none of them could tell me what it was. anyway apparently they are building a sewage treatment plant next to my house can't believe i'll be a few metres literally from it. hate the idea of living there now but i have the site now sure so don't have much choice at this stage. just so dissapointed as i'm sure you guys can understand its so exciting finding your perfect little site and doing your plans and all that and now this has happened. thanks anyway for all the help on this, guess i'll just have to suck it up.