Moderators

lordarpad

Are moderators legal in Ireland?

Trojan911

Yes

philog

if you mean silencers yes they are legal but you need a permit from the super to use one hard to get for a .22 in the carlow area at least

lordarpad

thanks anybody can recommend a model? preferable one that also works as a muzzle brake? (if that isn't a contradiction in terms?)

It wasn't me!

lordarpad wrote: »

thanks anybody can recommend a model? preferable one that also works as a muzzle brake? (if that isn't a contradiction in terms?)

Reflex moderators reduce recoil in the same way as a muzzle brake does, so get yourself a T8 or something along those lines and you're sorted.

Mellor

philog wrote: »

if you mean silencers yes they are legal but you need a permit from the super to use one hard to get for a .22 in the carlow area at least

Silencers are an urban legend fabricated by Hollywood. They don't exist and shouldn't be confused with moderators.;)

cantona1111

philog wrote: »

if you mean silencers yes they are legal but you need a permit from the super to use one hard to get for a .22 in the carlow area at least

Was told by my local garda in rural carlow station that there will be no more permits for moderators issued unless you provide a letter from the doctor saying that your hearing is being damaged, its sounds a bit stupid but it appears to be true

Sparks

Mellor wrote: »

Silencers are an urban legend fabricated by Hollywood. They don't exist and shouldn't be confused with moderators.;)

Sadly, the word "silencer" is now enshrined in Irish firearms law But you are perfectly right, the name's a misnomer.

sixpointfive

lordarpad wrote: »

thanks anybody can recommend a model? preferable one that also works as a muzzle brake? (if that isn't a contradiction in terms?)

What calibre you looking to moderate? im guessing its something fairly heavy if you want it to act as a muzzle brake too, i have a t8 on my 30.06 but i hardly ever use it unless im around horsey areas, its quite effective at reducing sound and recoil

Scoogles

But if you apply to a Super for a silencer he'll turn his nose up at it. Call it a sound moderator and your in with a good shout, as long as you make a good case for one. I know a firearms officer that gives template applications to lads to make application to the supers and nobodys ever been refused. Not what you ask for, its how you ask for it.

lordarpad

sixpointfive wrote: »

What calibre you looking to moderate? im guessing its something fairly heavy if you want it to act as a muzzle brake too, i have a t8 on my 30.06 but i hardly ever use it unless im around horsey areas, its quite effective at reducing sound and recoil

still thinking about calibre, but likely 8x64S (yes, not 8x68S )

It wasn't me!

I'd be wary of getting an uncommon European calibre until I'd sourced a gun-dealer who could guarantee me ready supply of ammo, and I expect the prices for it would be pretty rough too.

lordarpad

It wasn't me! wrote: »

I'd be wary of getting an uncommon European calibre until I'd sourced a gun-dealer who could guarantee me ready supply of ammo, and I expect the prices for it would be pretty rough too.

this stuff should be affordable:

http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/rifle-ammunition-detail.php?ammunition=12&product=532

for practice at least. KJG ammo will be expensive whatever the shell.

clivej

Here we go again

What part of the country are you from Lordarpad as that can make a difference.

LOOK HERE for how I applied for my permission.
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055456004

It wasn't me!

lordarpad wrote: »

this stuff should be affordable:

http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/rifle-ammunition-detail.php?ammunition=12&product=532

for practice at least. KJG ammo will be expensive whatever the shell.

Yeah, affordability is relevant here however. Supply is your main problem. For instance, I don't know of a single 8x64s in the country. Not to say there isn't one, but it's certainly not a widely used calibre here, and probably wouldn't be the most popular here in any case due to our type of hunting. My advice would be to consider where you're going to be hunting and your quarry, then consider where you're going to be buying your ammo and whether they'll be able to guarantee a continuing supply. For instance, I don't know whether you'd convince a dealer to bring in less than a few thousand at a time for you, and then you have to convince your local Super to allow you possess several thousand fullbore rounds at a time, when, as I recall, you've not owned a licence here before. Might be a bit of a tall order. Perhaps a more popular and available calibre would be a better judgement?

lordarpad

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Yeah, affordability is relevant here however. Supply is your main problem. For instance, I don't know of a single 8x64s in the country. Not to say there isn't one, but it's certainly not a widely used calibre here, and probably wouldn't be the most popular here in any case due to our type of hunting. My advice would be to consider where you're going to be hunting and your quarry, then consider where you're going to be buying your ammo and whether they'll be able to guarantee a continuing supply. For instance, I don't know whether you'd convince a dealer to bring in less than a few thousand at a time for you, and then you have to convince your local Super to allow you possess several thousand fullbore rounds at a time, when, as I recall, you've not owned a licence here before. Might be a bit of a tall order. Perhaps a more popular and available calibre would be a better judgement?

I'll talk it over with a gunshop, since I want KJG, which is small series production anyway. And I always do this weird stuff - I enjoy it

lordarpad

in this context: how legal is it to buy ammo from out of country and have it shipped to you?

Grizzly 45

It "CAN " be done.But is it worth the problems involved?You are looking at an import permit issued from the Dept of Justice to import munitions,and other revelant EU paperwork from the country you are exporting from[presumably Germany]and unless you are a firearms dealer that is going to cause problems,not to mind that you will have a ammo limit on your liscense.So you will have to frind a dealer who will order and store the ammo for you.Now,most dealers here seemingly order,or are required to order[it never seems to be very clear what the actual status is on this here] from one ammo importer into the Republic.And if they cant/dont/wont order a specific calibre,you are kind of screwed.They will proably order your cal if it is over a thousand rounds plus,and will charge for it too.Then you will have to find a courier that will accept/can transport munitions to Ireland,the mail wont do it.All in all it is problematic if you are doing this as a individual,less if you are a dealer and it is regular calibres.

kakashka

lordarpad wrote: »

thanks anybody can recommend a model? preferable one that also works as a muzzle brake? (if that isn't a contradiction in terms?)

Do you know muzzle diameter of proposed gun?
might be posible to fit AI brake if dia big enough to cut down(approx22mm)
+Brugger&Thomet suppressor,both M18 LH x 1.5

lordarpad

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

It "CAN " be done.But is it worth the problems involved?You are looking at an import permit issued from the Dept of Justice to import munitions,and other revelant EU paperwork from the country you are exporting from[presumably Germany]and unless you are a firearms dealer that is going to cause problems,not to mind that you will have a ammo limit on your liscense.So you will have to frind a dealer who will order and store the ammo for you.Now,most dealers here seemingly order,or are required to order[it never seems to be very clear what the actual status is on this here] from one ammo importer into the Republic.And if they cant/dont/wont order a specific calibre,you are kind of screwed.They will proably order your cal if it is over a thousand rounds plus,and will charge for it too.Then you will have to find a courier that will accept/can transport munitions to Ireland,the mail wont do it.All in all it is problematic if you are doing this as a individual,less if you are a dealer and it is regular calibres.

what are the rules for buying in a shop up north?

Grizzly 45

Same as ...!:(. EU country,same paperwork,with more paperwork due to the NI/UK situation Only "advantage" is that you might be able to collect in person,but I feel it proably isnt that easy either.Maybe some folks here can advise further ???

sfakiaman

If you wanted to buy ammo in the north (in person) you would need a NI licence. If you want ammo delivered to you from an EU country you need a transfer authorisation from the DOJ (easy to get but only for the amount on your licence). The cost of delivery would be prohibitive.

Have you considered that an 8mm rifle is (or will be) a restricted firearm i.e. over 7.62. As a first time licence holder, even if you were granted a licence for a restricted firearm, you would be lucky to get 100 rounds on your licence.

As a deer hunting rifle, how many rounds do you think you will fire. Would it be feasible for any firearms dealer to import that quantity.

Your best bet is to go to Germany once or twice a year by an airline which will carry ammo. Get the paperwork from the DOJ (can be done online) have a holiday and buy your ammo. I've done that for rifles and had a weekend break for less than the cost of delivery.

Good luck

lordarpad

sound advice everybody! thanks :-D