Rates of Fire

eagleye7

Hey guys i was just thinking about this earlier today and thought id see what everyone else thinks about it.

we often see people expressing their disgust for box magazines and high cap mags.

i was thinkeng then how many of those people that use real/mid caps to get better sense of realism use 9.6 batteries or li-pos in order to increase the rate of fire on their aeg?

would you prefer if guns had a realistic r.o.f.?

I for one would i think it would give a bit of distinction to various guns. biggest example i can think of is between m60 and m249. 550/750 rpm

Hande hoche!

Yeah definately I use a 8.4v battery rather than a 9.6v to keep the rate of fire down.

fleet

How about a Glock 18c PISTOL

CYMA airsoft version: about 600-800 RPM

Real steel version: 1100-1200 rounds/min !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE_cz56HSRM

You'd need a 14V battery in there just to approach the real steel versions ROF.

eagleye7

i remember being out one day alright and i think aguy had a 10.6 lipo and the rof was unreal it seemed to me that its just as unrealistic as usin a giant bvox mag.

i was just thinkin of another if there was realistic rof then i think it would really push me to buy a famas as it has a much higher rate than an m4 if i recall.

Necron99

This is another issue of personal prefrence tbh, if someone wants to use a box mag and high rof at a skirmish day then its their choice.

The only time it should come into question is when playing a special event like a league or milsim game, where the ammo / rof should be restricted as per the rules.

Outside of that I'll just say, MEH! No ones the boss of me

DisasterIRL

eagleye7 wrote: »

i remember being out one day alright and i think aguy had a 10.6 lipo and the rof was unreal it seemed to me that its just as unrealistic as usin a giant bvox mag.

i was just thinkin of another if there was realistic rof then i think it would really push me to buy a famas as it has a much higher rate than an m4 if i recall.

Well I would use guns with realistic rates of fire if the projectiles had where are useful, like you don't need high rates of fire as much with a real gun, as you get hit you know it, the chances are if you hit by one BB you don't realise it half the time, but I do get where you are coming from, I go through a horrendous amount of BB's each time I go skirmishing because of my rate of fire.

One thing I would love to see on the realism side of things is sniper rifles, I know it's not going to happen but the fact that they have much the same accuracy and distance as my CQB M4 puts me off completely

NakedDex

Depends on the rifle, before I got the a semi-only SR25 for milsim which cuts out the rof question straight away, I was using a G36k which fired pretty close to the real rof anyway when I used it with an 8.4v on a stock set up. Thing is, there's two types of milsim games. There's "proper" ones with realcaps etc and the less restrictive "objective games" which use milsim scenarios and ammo limits, but don't neccessarily restrict what mags you use or what camo you have etc.
In the former, realistic rof can help on occasion, but a rifle that is capable of a higher rate will have a better trigger response (unless it's been microswitched, in which case it won't matter) so having it available is an advantage.
In the latter, it's pretty unneccessary and counter productive as these games are generally attended by people without special milsim loadouts so their kit is likely doing way above a real rof.
The main issue issue is that most aegs are above the rof of their RS counterparts out-of-the-box, so getting realistic rates would mean a speed limiter or an even lower power battery, which in turn would reduce trigger response and spool up time. Not something 99% of airsofters would be willing to do.

eagleye7

Necron99 wrote: »

This is another issue of personal prefrence tbh, if someone wants to use a box mag and high rof at a skirmish day then its their choice.

The only time it should come into question is when playing a special event like a league or milsim game, where the ammo / rof should be restricted as per the rules.

Outside of that I'll just say, MEH! No ones the boss of me

i wouldnt say you have to use it just like i wouldnt say you cant use box mags i was just wonderin did anyone ever think it would be cool to have em realistic for just the cool factor.

irishlostboy

with lower rof, its much harder to stitch a line across someone who is sprinting. i currently use an 8.4. the rof is not really poor. quite workable. getting a lipo to see how that is like. if its too much like having a ghostbuster gun, it will get shelved. having only used the 8.4 though, i cannot say what its like using a higher rof. probably expensive on ammo.

NakedDex

Outside of a milsim game, having realistic rof is tying an arm behind your back. What an RS rifle lacks in high rates, it makes up for in range and the fact that people hit by NATO ball generally take their hits faster than when hit with a plastic ball. Higher rates make up for that limit in airsoft using the "kill it twice..." theory, where a hit person might not feel one bb hit them, it's less likely they'll miss three hitting the same spot.

TheDoc

Most of my guns have high rate of fire 24rps +

And i use midcaps, i dispense mags in a matter of seconds.

My m16a3 fires 21rps on an 8.4, so i havnt got much options haha

My new vietnam m16 is going to have a slow rate of fire though, bout 14-15 and using 80 VN midcaps.

Its the only downside to midcaps in my opniion, the ****ing effort of reloading them when your done

gerrowadat

I think box mags are ok for what they're meant for, but a bit lame when used on stuff like a stubby killer or mp5k. Having someone on the opposite team who never has to reload or change mag all day seems...unsporting.

I also think realcaps are kinda crap, because there needs to be a balancing factor for the fact that you have ****all range. 'Realism' doesn't really come into it, because your range is about 40 yards, so you're onto a loser right there unless it's CQB all the way. That said, I've had some very nice realcap games.

Realism in terms of RoF is kind of pointless, really. Your range is 40yds, and your intention is to 'paint' a target with a few BBs. There's really no point in having a realistic RoF when none of the other metric to do with range, accuracy, windage, etc. are accurate.

eagleye7

NakedDex wrote: »

Outside of a milsim game, having realistic rof is tying an arm behind your back. What an RS rifle lacks in high rates, it makes up for in range and the fact that people hit by NATO ball generally take their hits faster than when hit with a plastic ball. Higher rates make up for that limit in airsoft using the "kill it twice..." theory, where a hit person might not feel one bb hit them, it's less likely they'll miss three hitting the same spot.

i suppose that makes sense wed need a higher power limit for realistic rof to work.

i still get a bit annoyed though when some has a "ghostbuster gun"

Necron99

eagleye7 wrote: »

i suppose that makes sense wed need a higher power limit for realistic rof to work.

i still get a bit annoyed though when some has a "ghostbuster gun"

Never Cross the Streams.... you have been warned! :pac:

TheDoc

eagleye7 wrote: »

i still get a bit annoyed though when some has a "ghostbuster gun"

hahahah brilliant.

Yeah id love to see more and more milsim, its where airsoft shines in my view.

Looking foward to see how GTAC take on the milsim, ill be heading down to their march event, and if all goes well ill go down to the rest.

Beast ASI

You can't bump your FPS up, so why don't you bump your ROF up..... 40rps ftw!

Hande hoche!

Beast ASI wrote: »

You can't bump your FPS up, so why don't you bump your ROF up..... 40rps ftw!

Now that is impressive!

kdouglas

I like to have a slightly higher than stock RoF, generally around 18-20rps, the main reasons being a better trigger response and a better firing sound, I find 12/13rps sounds a little laboured most of the time, as if the battery is dying whereas 18ish sounds much smoother.

DisasterIRL

Beast ASI wrote: »

You can't bump your FPS up, so why don't you bump your ROF up..... 40rps ftw!

REALLY!? Do you have an AEG with that ROF? If so what one and I HAVE to shake your hand