Old Luas, Dart & Metro Diagram

Aard

I found this diagram on a page about Urban Rail. Does anybody know whether this network was intended to be ever built? Or is it just something that a rail-enthusiast drew up - a fantasy plan?

What do people think about it? Are the current plans better or worse? IMO the current Metro North is better than the one featured here. What I like about this old map though is that it appears that the network is a lot more decentralised; what we have now is very O'Connell/Grafton-centred.

DWCommuter

If Im not mistaken thats the network as proposed by the DTO's Platform for Change document. Far better than what we are supposed to get under T21, which just cherrypicked from it.

nomorebadtown

No, sorry mate. You're looking for the Humour forum.

strassenwolf

Yes, DWCommuter is right. It is the one produced by the DTO.

It appears that the DTO, at some stage, identified that a three-stage process was the optimum way to develop a blueprint for Dublin's public transport.

The above map was the result of that three-stage process.

Stage 1: instruct the office junior to go out and buy a set of crayons and some A3 paper;

Stage 2: implementation of the instructions outlined in stage 1;

Stage 3: use of the products of Stage 2, which were procured due to Stage 1 being carried out effectively, to produce a map.

L1011

strassenwolf wrote: »

Yes, DWCommuter is right. It is the one produced by the DTO.

It appears that the DTO, at some stage, identified that a three-stage process was the optimum way to develop a blueprint for Dublin's public transport.

The above map was the result of that three-stage process.

Stage 1: instruct the office junior to go out and buy a set of crayons and some A3 paper;

Stage 2: implementation of the instructions outlined in stage 1;

Stage 3: use of the products of Stage 2, which were procured due to Stage 1 being carried out effectively, to produce a map.

Theres no way that would ever have happened like that. Ludicrous to suggest such a thing, would never be that simplistic.












There has to have been at least one set of consultants involved!

amacachi

MYOB wrote: »

Theres no way that would ever have happened like that. Ludicrous to suggest such a thing, would never be that simplistic.






There has to have been at least one set of consultants involved!

I'm sure there would be objections at the planning stage too, ya can't go throwing A3 sheets of paper around, could block sunlight into someone's garden.

sdanseo

DWCommuter wrote: »

If Im not mistaken thats the network as proposed by the DTO's Platform for Change document. Far better than what we are supposed to get under T21, which just cherrypicked from it.

strassenwolf wrote: »

Yes, DWCommuter is right. It is the one produced by the DTO.

Indeed. I have a copy here actually. Looks better than the above which is in low res.

Still an over-optimistic heap of shíte though :rolleyes:

strassenwolf

MYOB wrote: »

Theres no way that would ever have happened like that. Ludicrous to suggest such a thing, would never be that simplistic.












There has to have been at least one set of consultants involved!

Oh but there were! As I understand it, the DTO came up with a draft plan, which was then examined by a team of outside consultants.

The main recommendation from the consultants was that the usual procedure of producing plans on the back of an envelope should no longer be used, as this did not represent enough paper for such a large-scale plan.

A sheet of a least A4 size was recommended for the task.

And in the heady days of the Celtic Tiger, enough funds were released for the purchase of an A3 sheet.

Nostradamus

strassenwolf wrote: »

Stage 1: instruct the office junior to go out and buy a set of crayons and some A3 paper;

Stage 2: implementation of the instructions outlined in stage 1;

Stage 3: use of the products of Stage 2, which were procured due to Stage 1 being carried out effectively, to produce a map.

Stage 4: A photo of the Fianna Fail Minister holding the map up with two scantily clad chicks wearing CIE caps on either side of him with Dublin Castle as a backdrop.


Hard to believe some days that Ireland is an actual country isn't it.

sdanseo

Nostradamus wrote: »

Stage 4: A photo of the Fianna Fail Minister holding the map up with two scantily clad chicks wearing CIE caps on either side of him with Dublin Castle as a backdrop.


Hard to believe some days that Ireland is an actual country isn't it.

This really is a scarily accurate statement.

murphaph

Nostradamus wrote: »

Stage 4: A photo of the Fianna Fail Minister holding the map up with two scantily clad chicks wearing CIE caps on either side of him with Dublin Castle as a backdrop.

Stage 5: A bearded NBRU rep steps in and mutters something about the chicks being non-union and balloting his members on 'industrial'* action.





*'industrial' placed in inverted commas as the very notion of CIE and their drones being industrious is beyond ridiculous.

Run_to_da_hills

Most of this could have been built only for the Port Tunnel, the spire, Electronic Voting and other countless white elephants , etc :mad:

Nostradamus

murphaph wrote: »

Stage 5: A bearded NBRU rep steps in and mutters something about the chicks being non-union and balloting his members on 'industrial'* action.

Stage 6: Some bloke called Hawthorne Fiddlesticks Knox-Pym of the Irish Railway Researchers and Railfreight Victimology Unit sends out a press release claiming that the people of West of Ireland are being discriminated by PaleRail. This causes mass goers at Knock Basilica to organise a community based campaign with a half a million signatures of people who had no idea what they were signing for.

Zoney

Nostradamus: Is that worse than people who complain this all didn't get built just because of a relatively simple reopening of a few miles of track between Ennis and Athenry on an intercity corridor?

murphaph

Zoney wrote: »

Nostradamus: Is that worse than people who complain this all didn't get built just because of a relatively simple reopening of a few miles of track between Ennis and Athenry on an intercity corridor?

Zoney, the imminent total failure of the reopened bit of WRC will be used for decades as a reason NOT to invest in rail infrastructure in places where it would actually carry passengers, including the West and Mid-West (commuter rail expansion into Galway and Limerick).

Zoney

murphaph wrote: »

Zoney, the imminent total failure of the reopened bit of WRC will be used for decades as a reason NOT to invest in rail infrastructure in places where it would actually carry passengers, including the West and Mid-West (commuter rail expansion into Galway and Limerick).

That's the kind of hyperbole I'm talking about.

DWCommuter

Hyperbole?

Well you let murphaph have his opinion and you stick to yours. But I just hope you hang around transport circles long enough to see that prediction come true. Because it will and I hope you'll be big enough to admit you were wrong.

Time is a great healer, but it's also a great prover of points.

pepsicokeacola

zomg amazing

Godge

Zoney wrote: »

That's the kind of hyperbole I'm talking about.

Amazing. There is potential for commuter rail in both Limerick and Galway using existing alignments as well as city centre car restrictions but some people dream of a rail line from Sligo to Tuam to Athenry to Ennis to Limerick Junction to Waterford that nobody in their right mind bar some lost German tourists will ever use.

Zoney

Godge wrote: »

Amazing. There is potential for commuter rail in both Limerick and Galway using existing alignments as well as city centre car restrictions but some people dream of a rail line from Sligo to Tuam to Athenry to Ennis to Limerick Junction to Waterford that nobody in their right mind bar some lost German tourists will ever use.

Who said anything about Sligo to Tuam? It's not ridiculous to desire better transport links between Limerick and Galway, the 3rd and 4th cities in the Republic. Admittedly it's rather unfortunate that it isn't that viable to stick with the train to the 2nd city Cork too, but in Limerick the buses fortunately leave right outside the railway station.

Galway-Limerick will of course be somewhat more bearable when (if?) the new N18 is completed, although the bus will still take an age (due to 80km/h limit, the old road or the new diversion almost to Athenry, calling at Ennis/Shannon/Bunratty).

strassenwolf

As far as I recall, while the consultants involved in examining the above transport system suggested it be outlined on a properly sized piece of paper, they did call for retention of the time-honoured system whereby financial projections for the project should be presented on the back of an envelope, on a beermat from Doheny & Nesbitt's, or on a serviette from Abrakebabra or Ishmail's...

...Or on some other appropriate format as would be prescribed by the relevant Minister from time to time.

Nostradamus

Godge wrote: »

Amazing. There is potential for commuter rail in both Limerick and Galway using existing alignments as well as city centre car restrictions but some people dream of a rail line from Sligo to Tuam to Athenry to Ennis to Limerick Junction to Waterford that nobody in their right mind bar some lost German tourists will ever use.

You obviously hate the people of the West of Ireland and want Connacht babies to be smothered in their beds while you drink Bollinger and eat Ubekian Caviar on the DART.

I am going to have the priest read out your name in mass for suggesting this.