differences between weigh in and fight night weight?

maradona10

when is a welterweight fight actually going to be a welterweight fight? both guys weighed 160 in the ring. im tired of all these fighters manipulating the new rules regarding weigh ins. its hard to know what your watching anymore. paq,hatton there all at it. the only guy who comes in the same is mayweather. oscar came in the same against paq only cos he ****ed up with his slimming down in the first place.

its very hard to compare welterweights today with yesteryear as they'e really light to middleweights on fight night

i know people will say there not breaking any rules but it is actually cheating

walshb

Well, how is it cheating if the rule applies to all.
Main thing is that both do have to make weight at
weigh in time. That's all that realy matters

cowzerp

What new rules? this has always been the way..
if lads got in the ring dehydrated from cutting and weighing in on the same day there would be many more deaths in boxing.
same rule applies for both fighters also so its all fair.

walshb

Paul, previously, the weigh in took place on the day of the fight. That is not the case now; but still, this new rule applies to all

When I say new, I mean current rule!

maradona10

heres an article on the subject. read jim watts comments about half way through. ive copied them below.

http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/0008/two.htm

" Jim Watt, former lightweight champion of the world turned television pundit is one of the most vocal supporters of same-day weighing in. He is one of a growing minority of people within the sport who feel that the dangers of having huge weight discrepancies between fighters are greater than the dangers of dehydration.

Watt argues that too many fighters step off the scales to go on a 24-36 hour binge and pack on as much weight as possible before the first bell. He believes it is a case of a good theory making bad practice.

"Don't get me wrong, the idea is good," said Watt when I telephoned him. "Many of the dangers of boxing have been linked with dehydration, and so giving fighters 24 hours to re-hydrate their bodies therefore must be a good idea on paper.

"But the problem is that this time period is getting abused. Fighters who should not dream of fighting at certain weights are punishing their bodies, murdering themselves, to make the limit and then rely on this period of up to 36 hours to get back up to something like normal again.

"If they had to weigh in on the day of the fight, and if they wanted to fight with any sort of strength, they would be forced to fight at a more healthy weight for their bodies. This 24-36 hour period is giving fighters a lot of incentive to fight at the wrong weight."

And the dangers are exacerbated when only one fighter packs in the pounds. "When someone fights for a title at 12 stone [168lbs], that's exactly what he's supposed to be - a 12 stone fighter. He's not supposed to be a bloody cruiserweight. It's totally unfair to those boxing at a more natural weight - the ones who aren't taking these silly chances with their health. Sometimes these guys are giving away a full stone in weight and I don't need to say that's dangerous. They are at a massive disadvantage. Essentially these fellows are punished for been sensible and abiding by the rules."

It has become increasingly apparent over the last decade there are huge differences between the attitudes and capabilities of individual fighters regarding what bodybuilders call "crash weight gain". Like the Nevada State Athletic Commission, the BBBC is currently investigating the extent to which this ability varies from fighter to fighter. Simon Block confirmed that they have already found "significant differences" in the ability of individual fighters to quickly pile on weight.

These findings do not surprise Watt, who, from his ringside commentary position over the years, has seen first hand huge weight discrepancies.

"Chris Eubank, for example, walked around a good stone and a half above his fighting weight between fights. He dragged all the liquid out of his body at 7pm one night and had until 11pm the next night to pack as much of that weight as possible back on. I don't know exactly how much he managed to [put back on], but when you saw him next to a Nigel Benn you had no doubts he was no longer anywhere near the proper weight limit."

Watt's specific example of Eubank seems very apt in light of the fact that Eubank gave world cruiserweight champion Carl Thompson two epic battles.

Interestingly, even though Watt characterises weight crashing as "an unfair advantage" he stops short of accusing its practitioners of cheating.

"It's not cheating because the rules don't forbid it - in fact they actually encourage it. Fellows like Gatti and Eubank, and I hate to keep using them as examples but they are the two famous for it, are using the system to their great advantage. And they are perfectly entitled to do so. They are exploiting an opportunity to their advantage and why not? Boxing is competition.

"If we changed the rules so they don't have this opportunity to gain this, and let's be honest about it, massive advantage then their opponents won't find themselves outweighed by six, seven pounds or whatever. It's unfair and it has to be changed."

ODD-JOB

It's just far too competitive these days .
They'll do anything to eek the slightest advantages over their opponents these days.
The weight issue has a massive bearing on the outcome , and if you didnt add extra poundage post weigh-in , then you would be putting yourself at a significant handicap.

(I always remind myself of the old F1 drivers , who used to have big beer guts and put out their cigerettes to get into the cock-pit These were legends of their time.
Oh how competition has progressed.)

the only way to combat it would be to have the weigh-in on fight day. But some guy's are on the brink of passing out whilst getting up on the scales.
And current contractual conditions dont help the matter either.
Often there are massive financial penalties per pound overweight.

Mikel

The problem with reducing the time between weigh in and fighting is that guys would still take the risk and be dangerously dehydrated.
Weighing in on the way into the ring is the only way you would eliminate it, but then you face the risk of having to call off the fight 5 mins before it starts