Gun Safe

lordarpad

Hi guys

what is the current safety requirement for a gun safe? Class A, Class B? B3, B4?

thanks

Rew

AFAIK there is not offical standard laid down here. Best to talk to you local Garda CPO.

cavan shooter

As far as I know there is nothing written down though I note the NARGC firearms safety manual uses the term gun cabinet.

There is a BS standard for Gun Cabinets and Gun safes is (BS 7558/92). Make sure anything you buy conforms to this or an equivalent.

I found this document very useful.

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/operational-policing/firearms-handbook.pdf?view=Binary

Sparks

From the FCP conference last year:

The NCPU have issued guidelines to supers as advice, not rules.
These are:
The firearm has to be stored in a structurally sound building.
Gun cabinets must be used.
Firearms should never be left unattended.
Three categories for secure storage:
Category A (rifles to .22, shotguns)
- Gun Cabinet (not insisting on BS standard, just that it be fit for purpose), secured to a solid wall or floor and concealed if possible.
- The dwelling should be reasonably secure (good doors and windows).
Category B (fullbore rifles)
- Gun Cabinet as in category A
- Seperate storage area in the cabinet for ammunition
- Audible (not necessarily monitored) alarm on the dwelling
Category C (pistols and revolvers)
- Gun Cabinet as in category B
- External doors must be in good condition with 5 lever mortice locks or for patio doors, anti-lift devices.
- Alarm to EM5031 standard, monitored by a recognised monitoring centre
Also, if you have four or more firearms in a category, you must meet the standards of the next higher category (so 4 cat A firearms = you must meet the cat B conditions).

Sandy22

Sparks wrote: »

From the FCP conference earlier this year:

Are you using the Chinese calendar? If so, Happy New Year.

Sparks

No, I'm just not at my best around eleven on a sunday night Sandy, that's all

Grizzly 45

Think Lordapard is referring to the German style of gunsafe requirement.That reflects how many firearms you actually own.1to 4,our std gun cabinets are fine.As the more guns you have the category of safe you must have increases in category.Untill literally "safes" or vaults in the true sense of the meaning.Hence the B2 B3 B4 rating.

Sparks

That was rather the point Grizzly - we don't have that requirement. The NCPU looked more at securing the house than building a better safe.

cavan shooter

Sparks is right there, The safe is always the last line of defence, best to put them off getting in

Sparks

Especially when the statistics say that something like 90% of burglaries and robberies in Ireland are opportunistic - you leave a window open when you go out, or you leave the mobile phone in the car, and the next thing you know, you've been done. And of the remaining few, quite a lot are barely above oppotunistic (the kid with the screwdriver to pop your front door lock while you're out). The two 'tiger' robberies we've heard of recently when RFDs were robbed are astonishingly rare (which is why we hear so much of them, they're rare enough to be big news). And they're also the sort of thing that no NCPU guideline can really address, for obvious reasons. So they just ignore them (in same way that car designers will design a car to be safe in a head-on or side-impact collision, but ignore the threat of being stampeded by a herd of Indian elephants).

cavan shooter

Maybe not Indian elephants however dont forget this test

http://www.volvocars.com/intl/corporation/Safety/yourworld/Pages/TheElkTest.aspx

Grizzly 45

Or the Ford Pinto affair. Seriously,though ,it is a different thought process,dont fortify your house, fortify the guns instead.