One-in-eight car imports from the UK are clocked

eringobragh

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/oneineight-car-imports-from-the-uk-are-clocked-1613298.html


SIMI & Cartell BS yet AGAIN, Obviously noone wants to buy overpriced cars in this country they need to up the scare tactics :mad: I love this quote, The clocking is more often than not done this side of the pond!

The UK National Mileage Register shows that 38pc of Audis imported into Ireland showed a mileage discrepancy, as well as 25pc of Volkswagens and 24pc of Fords. Japanese cars faired better, with 19pc of Lexus vehicles showing a mileage disparity, while Toyotas were at 14pc.

Article:

BS wrote:

One-in-eight car imports from the UK are clocked

By Stephen O'Farrell
Saturday January 24 2009

More than one-in-eight vehicles imported from the UK have been illegally clocked.

Car history tracking company Cartell.ie said about 50,000 of the 400,000 vehicles imported from Britain have had their mileage illegally reduced.

The figures paint a worrying picture of the dangers motorists face with the lowered mileage misrepresenting the vehicle's road worthiness.

The Society of the Irish Motor Industry (SIMI) said the statistics represented a significant increase on their findings on clocked vehicles, making up 14pc of UK imports between 2005 and 2008.

A spokeswoman urged car buyers to ensure any vehicle they are looking at purchasing has a history certificate.

The UK National Mileage Register shows that 38pc of Audis imported into Ireland showed a mileage discrepancy, as well as 25pc of Volkswagens and 24pc of Fords. Japanese cars faired better, with 19pc of Lexus vehicles showing a mileage disparity, while Toyotas were at 14pc.

Director of Cartell.ie Jeff Aherne said car buyers needed to be more vigilant and he accused some car dealers of "unscrupulous" behaviour in knowingly importing the illegally modified vehicles.

The Road Safety Authority said the statistics were very worrying and urged car buyers to deal with "reputable" dealers.

- Stephen O'Farrell

Owen

Cartell are in this to provide clear legitimate vehicle checks and to make money by doing so. I don't think they'd be massaging any figures personally - their livelihood depends on being an accurate source of vehicle history like the HPI in the UK.

I haven't really seen UK imports recently that have been clocked, but we all remember the Primetime exposé on this - they showed how rampant it was, and how easy it was to do it. Back in 2005, I remember at least one in 4 imports being brought in for trade in appraisal were clocked, and badly so.

jayok

Scare tactics by SIMI. More interesting would be:

"1 in 2 Irish cars are clocked*. SIMI recommends customers buy in the UK where odds are less"

Oh wait its the Society of Irish Motor Industry not the consumer. Once you know this all will be ok

*Made up for demo purposes actual figure I don't know.

Del2005

The Society of the Irish Motor Industry (SIMI) said the statistics represented a significant increase on their findings on clocked vehicles, making up 14pc of UK imports between 2005 and 2008.

A spokeswoman urged car buyers to ensure any vehicle they are looking at purchasing has a history certificate.

I like the way SIMI are saying make sure the car has a history certificate. If someone is going to go to the (little) hassle to clock a car surely they'd fake a cert to go with it.

But what they don't say is what % of Irish sourced cars are clocked. Because they can't and I'd guess the number would be higher the 14%. And we can't access the NCT system to verify milage.

Captain Slow IRL

The only reason they know this is because their members are clocking the cars when they get them over!:rolleyes:

L-M

That 1/8 is the one's that are caught. I'm sure there's plenty more. You don't know what your buying and they are the simple facts of it.

Capt'n Midnight

Do the NCT check for cars milage compared to previous test, and if it goes down what happpens ?

also what confidence can we have in Irish car dealers when the fines imposed so far have been less than the you could make on the sale of one car ?

L-M

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Do the NCT check for cars milage compared to previous test, and if it goes down what happpens ?

also what confidence can we have in Irish car dealers when the fines imposed so far have been less than the you could make on the sale of one car ?

I think it's the reputation loss rather than anything finiancial that would kill the dealer.

Run_to_da_hills

It doesn't take much for a competent mechanic to sus out whether a car was clocked or not.

Guy:Incognito

Captain Slow IRL wrote: »

The only reason they know this is because their members are clocking the cars when they get them over!:rolleyes:

That wont show up on a UK database of cars that are checked when they are still in the uk. If Irish garages are clocking cars when they come over it would be the 14% plus whatever gets clocked here.

Anan1

ned78 wrote: »

Cartell are in this to provide clear legitimate vehicle checks and to make money by doing so. I don't think they'd be massaging any figures personally - their livelihood depends on being an accurate source of vehicle history like the HPI in the UK.

Another way of looking at it is that increasing public fears over clocked cars is good for their business.

Captain Slow IRL

Stekelly wrote: »

That wont show up on a UK database of cars that are checked when they are still in the uk. If Irish garages are clocking cars when they come over it would be the 14% plus whatever gets clocked here.

I didn't think anyone would take me seriously!

They don't know how many cars are being clocked, it's just scare tactics as mentioned before.

Guy:Incognito

Captain Slow IRL wrote: »

They don't know how many cars are being clocked, it's just scare tactics as mentioned before.

It's not difficult ot get numbers though. The HPI check can give figures of how many have mileage discrepencies.

Anan1 wrote: »

Another way of looking at it is that increasing public fears over clocked cars is good for their business.

Maybe if the public educated themselves and stopped buying obviously clocked cars the rates of clocking would go down. Theres been a good few threads on here where people were asking after they bought cars how to go about getting checks done or asking what to do since they know its clocked.

Captain Slow IRL

Limerick man wrote: »

I think it's the reputation loss rather than anything finiancial that would kill the dealer.

How are the dealers doing that were previously caught clocking cars - the likes of Arch Motors in Galway and Orange Motors in Limerick? (source)

bazz26

I wonder why there is no mention of Irish clocked cars.

Oh wait do we have a National mileage register database over here? So potentially ever Irish car could be clocked.

And what about all those SIMI dealers who are now selling second hand UK cars from their forecourts? Would the SIMI do a spot check on their stock and then publish the statistics?

Protectionism at it's best.

ustari

Was looking for a mk4 golf tdi at end of summer last year, found a "lovely" one in a small garage, paid couple of hundred cash deposit and went home. Knew they had brought it in from England and took the reg chassis no etc and ran a check on it. Turns out it was clocked at least twice.

i was heartbroken and delighted at the same time!!

rebel.ranter

yawn... SIMI have no imagination. Why don't they come up with some initiative themselves to address their own issues instead of bashing the competition. Do you think Michael O'Leary pants on about Aer Lingus as a means to generate more business. No he doesn't he comes up with his own ideas to generate revenue and laughs at the competition.

Guy:Incognito

bazz26 wrote: »

I wonder why there is no mention of Irish clocked cars.

Oh wait do we have a National mileage register database over here? So potentially ever Irish car could be clocked..

Whats the point?. People here are not even bothered bout getting any sort of service history with vehicles.That needs to change and the sooner dealers and private sellers are left with history-less stock sitting unsold while cars with full hisorties are selling the better.

robbie99

Oh, the self interested SIMI scoring own goals yet again :rolleyes:

Once again, UK has a national mileage registry, Ireland does not. It's illegal to clock cars in the UK, it's not illegal to clock cars in Ireland.

If you're concerned that a car might be clocked, you can do a HPI check on a UK car. There's no such check for mileage that can be done for an Irish car. I think it's some data privacy protection act that prevents access to NCT records which would otherwise help.

Anyway, 1 in 8 cars is a vast improvement on the 1 in 5 that was being pedldled before christmas and discussed in this thread...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055417543

yop

Their bit*hiness really is getting boring now. NO one has an idea if a UK car is clocked so look closer at home first.

towel401

this is what they tell little kids to make them feel better about buying some beat up overpriced irish banger from an authorised dealer.

old boy

Captain Slow IRL wrote: »

How are the dealers doing that were previously caught clocking cars - the likes of Arch Motors in Galway and Orange Motors in Limerick? (source)

an undertaking from a garage ???? yeah

L-M

Captain Slow IRL wrote: »

How are the dealers doing that were previously caught clocking cars - the likes of Arch Motors in Galway and Orange Motors in Limerick? (source)

If i'm correct there were two garages in Limerick that were caught for clocking, one of which has changed it's name three times, pity there location hasn't changed, we know where they are:rolleyes:

I'm not mentioning names for the sake of boards, and simply because i can't remember which one was which.

Captain Slow IRL

Is Orange motors still on the go?

unkel

Limerick man wrote: »

I'm not mentioning names for the sake of boards

Indeed. We don't need any libel actions. That said, if someone comes up with proof that a car is clocked, we'll allow it. If you do a bit of a search, you'll find that Mad Santa in the Grotto in Lucan went out of business because of a thread here on boards...

towel401

unkel wrote: »

Indeed. We don't need any libel actions. That said, if someone comes up with proof that a car is clocked, we'll allow it. If you do a bit of a search, you'll find that Mad Santa in the Grotto in Lucan went out of business because of a thread here on boards...

never misunderestimate the power of Boards

cashmni1

Stekelly wrote: »

It's not difficult ot get numbers though. The HPI check can give figures of how many have mileage discrepencies.




Maybe if the public educated themselves and stopped buying obviously clocked cars the rates of clocking would go down. Theres been a good few threads on here where people were asking after they bought cars how to go about getting checks done or asking what to do since they know its clocked.

I agree with this. People need to do their homework before buying from the uk. An Irish car is rarely clocked in comparison with an English car due to the general condition of the car after its lifespan. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen here, of course it does, but on a much smaller scale compared with the uk. Anyway, as previously said, a full service history (that makes sence and all in one book) and HPI check will give you a very close indication. I know these can be altered too but it's the ones from the car auctions that you have to look out for. But private with all of the above and you should be fine.