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Do People Ignore/Have People Forgotten Pantera
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23-01-2009 5:35pm#1
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LOVED them when I was 19/20. used to always listen to Vulgar Display. Still love it but I don't listen as much now, I'm more into Down. Saw them last year and loved it.
Pantera are still huge. Almost 17 million listens on Last.fm
Edit: Kids think KISS are cool??? I used to get slagged so bad for that.
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Is the OP on crack or something?!
Pantera are anything but forgotten, although there are some aspects of the band that people would easily care to forget, the likes of the glam rock phase and the ultimate self destruction of the band. But overall they kept most metal fans sane with Cowboys and Vulgar while grunge was trying to take over the music scene. Phil's screechy voice on Cowboys may be a little too much for some, I initially didn't like it, but i find myself listening to Cowboys from Hell more than i do Vulgar Display of Power.
I kinda stopped after Far Beyond Driven, not because i didn't like it or lost interest in the band, I just wanted to try something else other than Metal at the time.
I also think Rex Brown's involvement in the band was highly neglected by fans too.0 -
ShawnRaven wrote: »Is the OP on crack or something?!
To be fair, after Dimebag's unfortunate death, Pantera were pretty much on everyone's lips, it was the topic. This has certainly calmed down as of late, so while it wouldn't be right to say that people have forgotten them, or are ignoring them, it's clear that they're not quite as talked about at the moment.0 -
Karl Hungus wrote: »To be fair, after Dimebag's unfortunate death, Pantera were pretty much on everyone's lips, it was the topic. This has certainly calmed down as of late, so while it wouldn't be right to say that people have forgotten them, or are ignoring them, it's clear that they're not quite as talked about at the moment.
That's a fair point. Pantera is a different story for me whilst growing up as they were at their height of fame at the time, Vulgar Display Of Power came out in 1992, which would have made me 16 at the time, so i'm obviously gonna associate their music with the whole Fibbers/Bruxelles/after house party era of my life.
And anyone who's done that, knows full well you don't ever forget those days. Even if you did wake up with a 15 stone midget who looks like Anthony Kiedis the next morning! 0 -
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no matter what they did that one accept and another not
they will never be forgotten
they have still position in music history
they did a lot comparing to nothing special that represent teenage pseudo-bands these days
they were great and I want to remember them as they were with Dimebag
few months ago I jumped to HMV and found compilation of CD-Audio and DVD with all Pantera videos...didn't even waste a second to think if I should buy it or not...have it now at home and really proud of that
anyway...there's a lot of other bands that deserve attention so...
if I have a day to listen to Pantera - I do it, if not - I do not
simple and clear
but never forgot them
a lot of my mates still listen to them0 -
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What sort of responses did you get from your listeners when you asked the question? Certainly I could never forget Pantera. I'm sure if you're a 13 year old kid it might be hard to get into them since they're not featured on tv or in magazines except in relation to Dimebag's murder.Motley Crue wrote: »Yesterday on my radio show I played Pantera, and asked the question, do people ignore the band? I don't mean there should be people worshipping them night and day but surely they should get a bit more respect. It seems that we have kids going around in Zeppelin, Green Day, Metallica, AC/DC, Motorhead, KISS and GNR T Shirts and yet Pantera is largely forgotten (albeit the occassional fan present in the basement of Fibbers on a Thur night)
Also, considering most of Pantera formed and played in Damageplan for something like 2 years, should the question not be "Do People Ignore/Have People Forgotten Damageplan" or did you forget about them? 0 -
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Motley Crue wrote: »Vinne Paul in a band called Hellyeah (which, lets face it, isnt going anywhere)
That made me sad, I actually like Hellyeah. 0 -
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ShawnRaven wrote: »That made me sad, I actually like Hellyeah.
Im sure they make a lot of people happy, and have some dedicated fans, but I would imagine their sound is not enough to deter people from the fact that they will always be seen as simply a Pantera tribute act for Vinne to spend his time in.
Correct me if I am wrong, I genuinely don't know, but I don't think they have ever done any tours outside the US? So I would imagine that, unlike Down, the band themselves are never going to be considered a groundbreaking act. I could be wrong, but unless Vinne Paul really reinvents himself - which he is unlikely and would be unwise to do - then Hellyeah is as far as its gonna go.0 -
Karl Hungus wrote: »What's wrong with Lamb of God?
Nothing wrong but also nothing special
sad but true - like metallica plays
anyway, it's hard to be original or special these days so I don't blame them...0 -
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I still listen to Pantera on a daily basis, lol
Usually listening to music all day in work and a few Pantera songs always get played.
Pantera were the band that got me into metal all them years ago and i dont think i will ever not listen to them. Even if i wanted to get away from Pantera i couldn't caus i have a small cfh logo in the middle of a tattoo on my upper right arm
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What makes you say that?
reality?
compare a number of a bands that exist in the world, to the number of the ones that are known well, and have something original - there's maybe hundreds of them but there's a billions of clones that play almost same thing...
it's not only my opinion
if you read music market annual reports and top labels reviews, their bosses and management say the same - time that there was a lot of money to take when you're original and make good music, has gone and it will not return...
unfortunately there's a limited range of sound that we can detect using our ears and even if there's a millions of combinations it's limited;
the more new sounds created - the less original music's left
you can agree or not but that's reality0 -
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To be fair, it's in the record companies interests to ensure that the music-consuming public think there's a lack of originality out there these days. If the general public only sees what's in the charts as a reflection of the music that's available then the record companies can charge what they like. It reminds me of the way that DeBeers artificially inflate the price of diamonds to ensure that they can charge ridiculous prices for them.compare a number of a bands that exist in the world, to the number of the ones that are known well, and have something original - there's maybe hundreds of them but there's a billions of clones that play almost same thing...
it's not only my opinion
if you read music market annual reports and top labels reviews, their bosses and management say the same - time that there was a lot of money to take when you're original and make good music, has gone and it will not return...
unfortunately there's a limited range of sound that we can detect using our ears and even if there's a millions of combinations it's limited;
the more new sounds created - the less original music's left
you can agree or not but that's reality
If you tune into Scuzz or Kerrang or whatever on your television you'll see a consistent similarity between the music on a lot of the videos but here's the thing: There's a whole world of music out there! There's easily more music being recorded and released over the Internet in any given day than you could possible hope to listen to in your entire life.
Lastly, you say that there's a limited range of sounds that can be detected by the human ear. You're absolutely right but that's like saying that painters from the Renaissance used up loads of the available colours so painters these days are "clones that paint almost the same thing".
I have no idea if you're musical or not but if you can, contrast the difference between a simple chord progression like C-Am-Dm-G on, for example a 7 string electric guitar with distortion applied and the same chord progression played on an acoustic guitar. Now add some strings and/or bass. There are a lot of sonic possibilities just there before you even start looking at percussion or the tempo of the music.
Anyway, apologies for going way off-topic!
Back on-topic: I guess people have forgotten Damageplan since no one responded when I mentioned them 0 -
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To be fair, it's in the record companies interests to ensure that the music-consuming public think there's a lack of originality out there these days. If the general public only sees what's in the charts as a reflection of the music that's available then the record companies can charge what they like. It reminds me of the way that DeBeers artificially inflate the price of diamonds to ensure that they can charge ridiculous prices for them.
If you tune into Scuzz or Kerrang or whatever on your television you'll see a consistent similarity between the music on a lot of the videos but here's the thing: There's a whole world of music out there! There's easily more music being recorded and released over the Internet in any given day than you could possible hope to listen to in your entire life.
Lastly, you say that there's a limited range of sounds that can be detected by the human ear. You're absolutely right but that's like saying that painters from the Renaissance used up loads of the available colours so painters these days are "clones that paint almost the same thing".
I have no idea if you're musical or not but if you can, contrast the difference between a simple chord progression like C-Am-Dm-G on, for example a 7 string electric guitar with distortion applied and the same chord progression played on an acoustic guitar. Now add some strings and/or bass. There are a lot of sonic possibilities just there before you even start looking at percussion or the tempo of the music.
Anyway, apologies for going way off-topic!
Back on-topic: I guess people have forgotten Damageplan since no one responded when I mentioned them
I agree with you but it changes almost nothing in what I said - you just extended that and told it different way unfortunately it's an era of plastic sounds, worthless sounds seen on tv and other apocalyptic things...
My idea is that even in the whole music world out there it's hard to find something new even if it is there - it's like looking for a red grain inside a huge bowl of other white ones, in the dark
I can say I'm an amateur musician, I played some gigs, I was a hundreds of times on a different contests to listen to new generation and some older bands to find something I would like to hear as a new. Of course I've found some but it's like 1:1000 or worse. These days it's easier to start an amateur band - there are pros and cons:
-easier way for originals to widen their horizons, move a wings, try to achieve something
-easier way for fakes, copybands and other sh*** to spread all over the world and dim these mentioned above
I know that record companies think about money and what's trendy,
but there are also record labels that promote originals and they say same thing
Regarding painting and colours against music and notes there's a lot of truth in what you said but can't compare it closely as it's very very different kind of art and a different rules - that's why they're separate worlds of vision and listening - both keep you whole, and each keep you feel different way...0 -
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Fair enough so.
Seriously though, we could have a debate on this in another thread but I think we'd just end up agreeing with each other and where's the fun in that?
fun is when people understand each other not fighting by arguments
anyway a good discussion is still a piece of nice time spent with a little bit of challenge0 -
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