Pac-Hatton 'off.'

Fizman

Ricky Hatton's proposed fight with Manny Pacquiao will not take place after the two sides failed to agree terms.

Hatton's advisors had reportedly agreed a 50-50 purse split with Pacquiao but the Filipino has been pushing for 60-40, apparently turning down a 52-48 per cent offer.

Team Hatton had been due to announce a press conference for Thursday morning to officially call the fight off - pending an 11th hour deal.

However, Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy Promotions confirmed on Wednesday evening that a deadline had passed for a deal to be put in place.

"We're pursuing our other options. That's it," Schaefer said. "The Hattons called me and asked again if we had a signed deal from Pacquiao and when I said we didn't, they said they won't sit around anymore."

Pacquiao's promoter Bob Arum was not amused by his fighter's failure to agree terms.

"Manny decided not to sign. He was unhappy with the terms," he said. "The fight is off. The suits can posture but it's the fighters who have to go in the ring and fight.

"But I am not thrilled right now."

Hatton is now hoping to engage Floyd Mayweather Jnr in a rematch or entice the winner of February's lightweight clash between Juan Manuel Marquez and Juan Diaz to London.

With all three fighters aligned to Golden Boy, Hatton will be ahead of Pacquiao in the queue for a big-money summer showdown.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_4829382,00.html

redout

That a load of my arse. Hatton was the money maker. He was the one drawing the crowd for the fight and bringing the British PPV money also. Fuvk me its not as if Hatton is a small time fighter ffs. Pacquaio is nuts to turn this down. I cant see him getting a fight with a bigger purse in fairness

Fizman

I reckon this fight wil go ahead in the future mind. Its all probably just some circus act to whip up a bit of publicity. I can't see these guys going the rest of their days without fighting each other.
The only thing which may (possibly) happen is if in the mean time one or both lose and lose badly (e.g. if Hatton was completely out-classed by Mayweather/DLH), this fight may not have the same 'pull' as it currently does. To be honest I almost hope this is the case (if my suspicions are correct), especially in the case of Paq.

blackgold>>

This fight will be on don't you worry about that. They're just posing.

joepenguin

Hatton-Pac is the only one the people want to see. 2 guys like that at their peak? has to happen.

Hattons other options:

Mayweather: no-one wants to see it. I reckon Mayweather takes him out real early this time.

De La Hoya: If he won a fight in the meantime im sure they'd market it as the biggest superfight of all time. anyone want to see it? at 147 hatton is out of his league and dlh is nothing at it.

Winner of Marquez-Diaz... meh, would be good fights but would either man want to come out of their division? id take it or leave it.

Kahn... yes amir kahn. id rather see him share a ring with the hitman than any of the above if he gets by barrera. would warren and hatton work together though?

winner of holt-bradley


Pac should fight Marquez again if he doesnt fight Hatton. Valero seems likely though.

redout

In fairness I think the Hitman is well out of Khans league at the present and by the time Khan becomes good enough Hatton will probably be retired. The yanks aint going to pay to see Hatton fight Khan.

joepenguin

redout wrote: »

In fairness I think the Hitman is well out of Khans league at the present and by the time Khan becomes good enough Hatton will probably be retired. The yanks aint going to pay to see Hatton fight Khan.

All true. Id still rather see that than DLH or Mayweather back in the ring with him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hatton fights Kahn in a year - 18 months provided Kahn keeps winning.

walshb

I don't know what is worse, Pac's greed or the fact that the crock, Oscar, is still trying to fool the boxing public. Money&sport are two of the same.

Pac was agreed and Hatton with 50-50 and now he's demanding 60-40 I think

Biggest pay of Manny's career it is stated; so he's either really scared or really stupid
or really greedy! I say it's the latter! I think 11 Million was his pay for this bout!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7826510.stm

T-K-O

Didn't you tell us all that we couldn't read to much into the Pac victory over Dela.....

Money has nothing got to do with it - :rolleyes: Pac clearly wants nothing to do with Hatton. This argument over the split is going on for weeks now.

It's not uncommon for fighters to demand pots of gold and unicorns anything really to not fight.

walshb

What?

What has Pac's win over a crocked Oscar got to do with anything?

You are a stalker.
Pac is guaranteed 11 million; I am just
wondering why he turned it down. That's why I asked whether
Pac was Scared, stupid, or greedy; now add in NOT INTERESTED!
Also, add in very clever!

Seriously, every POST I make, you follow up with
the most juvenile disagreement and always seem
to want to try and 'trip' me up?:rolleyes:

Weird don't you think? Is the Dunne situation still irritating you?

"This argument over the split is going on for weeks now."

Again, state the obvious. The bout 'confirmed' as off is relatively new!
It was confirmed only yesterday I believe!

A 50-50 verbal was the agreement in the first place.

walshb

Here's my view on this. It is based on maximising earnings:

Pac may well be thinking that fighting Hitman for a big pay AND possibly LOSING
is not as financially rewarding as NOT fighting and waiting for a possible
bigger pay day vs Floyd. Should he fight Hatton and lose, the bout with
Floyd for POSSIBLY more money would be in jeopardy!

That's how I see it and these demands will either work, and Hatton will take a cut; or
NOT work and then Pac is freed to go straight to bigger payday vs. Floyd!

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

What?

What has Pac's win over a crocked Oscar got to do with anything?

You are a stalker.
Pac is guaranteed 11 million; I am just
wondering why he turned it down. That's why I asked whether
Pac was Scared, stupid, or greedy; now add in NOT INTERESTED!
Also, add in very clever!

Seriously, every POST I make, you follow up with
the most juvenile disagreement and always seem
to want to try and 'trip' me up?:rolleyes:

Weird don't you think? Is the Dunne situation still irritating you?

"This argument over the split is going on for weeks now."

Again, state the obvious. The bout 'confirmed' as off is relatively new!
It was confirmed only yesterday I believe!

A 50-50 verbal was the agreement in the first place.

You are unbelievable - you knew I would reply after your stilly money and sport are the same comment.

Basically you do not like it when someone disagrees with you - and keep harping on about Dunne, I haven't mentioned his name around here is weeks he is obviously on your mind a helleva lot more.


The argument is going on for weeks and so what if this is new everyone could see it happening. I would suggest ever since team Pac calmed down and thought about it logically and they decided they wanted out

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

You are unbelievable - you knew I would reply after your stilly money and sport are the same comment.

Basically you do not like it when someone disagrees with you - and keep harping on about Dunne, I haven't mentioned his name around here is weeks he is obviously on your mind a helleva lot more.


The argument is going on for weeks and so what if this is new everyone could see it happening. I would suggest ever since team Pac calmed down and thought about it logically and they decided they wanted out

No, the Dunne issue is a sore point, we know that!

Anyway, instead of stalking and 'tripping,' why not simply state
why you believe the bout is off. The options are

1 Greed
2 Scared
3 Stupid
4 Waiting for more money vs Floyd
5 All of the above

I say number 1 and 4 are most likely, with number 4 being the most likely!

"I would suggest ever since team Pac calmed down and thought about it logically and they decided they wanted out"

You don't think 'financially' was part of it, and a big part?

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

No, the Dunne issue is a sore point, we know that!

Anyway, instead of stalking and 'tripping,' why not simply state
why you believe the bout is off. The options are

1 Greed
2 Scared
3 Stupid
4 Waiting for more money vs Floyd
5 All of the above

I say number 1 and 4 are most likely, with number 4 being the most likely!

"I would suggest ever since team Pac calmed down and thought about it logically and they decided they wanted out"

You don't think 'financially' was part of it, and a big part?

The Dunne issue is a non issue and anyone reading this will know - you have mentioned his name in several threads and I have not made one comment... Get over it:rolleyes:

I do not think Many himself is scared I just feel that his camp think Hatton is a step to far. Manny is not the powerful and I would expected Hatton to walk him down just as I expected Dela to. But Hatton will not be on the same tic tac diet as Dela

walshb

BTW, do you honestly believe money and sport TODAY are not so so so
linked and driven together? That money doesn't dictate HUGELY and doesn't effect sports stars decisions etc?

I think it's astounding if you cannot see the clear clear link!

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

The Dunne issue is a non issue and anyone reading this will know - you have mentioned his name in several threads and I have not made one comment... Get over it:rolleyes:

I do not think Many himself is scared I just feel that his camp think Hatton is a step to far. Manny is not the powerful and I would expected Hatton to walk him down just as I expected Dela to. But Hatton will not be on the same tic tac diet as Dela

Yes, that's why I said maybe Pac fears a loss, and a loss means the bout with Floyd is jeopardized; a bout that could yield a lot more than his Hatton bout. This is a calculated financial decision!

I believe firmly it's a financial decision and nothing else. It makes financial sense!

T-K-O

Of course there is a link and of course I can see it, I disagreed with you in another thread when you claimed it was all about the money.... and calling a great like kaka a fool for not taking the money...

Boxing against due to the nature of the sport is different to others, also boxers do not tend to be the best guys in the world at looking after their finances and tend to fight on for this reason..

walshb

Threads merged for convenience!

walshb

joepenguin wrote: »

All true. Id still rather see that than DLH or Mayweather back in the ring with him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hatton fights Kahn in a year - 18 months provided Kahn keeps winning.

joe, seriously, how much more of Oscar does one have to put up with. He's an absolute disgrace and needs to STOP. Surely we deserve miles better! Hatton is bad enough and Floyd and Pac; all now the best in the world at 140-147, if you believe some of the so called experts!

joepenguin

walshb wrote: »

joe, seriously, how much more of Oscar does one have to put up with. He's an absolute disgrace and needs to STOP. Surely we deserve miles better! Hatton is bad enough and Floyd and Pac; all now the best in the world at 140-147, if you believe some of the so called experts!

Think you may have misread my last post. What I meant is id much rather see hatton-kahn then hatton-de la hoya. He has no business in the ring with hatton, manny or pbf, although im sure he would snap at the chance.

On a side note if DLH was to fight again id like to see him against John Duddy at 154.

walshb

Joe, apologies; I did misread your post!

I agree with it now!

maradona10

why does everyone presume its paquiao thats greedy. hes the one thats coming off big wins and wants to be paid accordingly. hatton has done nothing since losing to mayweather(lost badly). he barely beat lazcano and it took him all night to beat weak punching malignaggi.

the argument that hatton warants a 50-50 split cos of his fans doesnt ad up either. paquiao generates far more than hatton through the philippino community in the states and will do even more this time after beating oscar. when hatton fought in the states without a strong opponent like mayweather they struggled to sell tickets e.g. collazo

check out michael marleys opinions on boxingconfidential.com about hatton and his team.

i think youl change your minds

cowzerp

maradona10 wrote: »

why does everyone presume its paquiao thats greedy. hes the one thats coming off big wins and wants to be paid accordingly. hatton has done nothing since losing to mayweather(lost badly). he barely beat lazcano and it took him all night to beat weak punching malignaggi.

i think youl change your minds

They verbally agreed a 50/50 that should be the end of it.

maradona10

pro boxings a business,the only thing that matters is the contract. paquiao got shafted by oscar in the last fight regards the split so it wasnt going to happen again

paquiao did not agree to 50-50. his promoter bob arum did without authorisation

joepenguin

fight is "back" on http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=18025

walshb

maradona10 wrote: »

why does everyone presume its paquiao thats greedy. hes the one thats coming off big wins and wants to be paid accordingly. hatton has done nothing since losing to mayweather(lost badly). he barely beat lazcano and it took him all night to beat weak punching malignaggi.

the argument that hatton warants a 50-50 split cos of his fans doesnt ad up either. paquiao generates far more than hatton through the philippino community in the states and will do even more this time after beating oscar. when hatton fought in the states without a strong opponent like mayweather they struggled to sell tickets e.g. collazo

check out michael marleys opinions on boxingconfidential.com about hatton and his team.

i think youl change your minds

Well, it is a matter of opinion; it seems to have worked. Pac is guaranteed 12 million, 52-48. They squeezed and it worked. To me, that's greed. Any other possibility of something else? And best of luck to them; it worked!

maradona10

did you say oscar was greedy??

can somebody please let me know why hatton deserves 50%

cowzerp

Because Ricky is very big draw and will play an even part in selling the ppv and more in seated fans too, plus the money men coming to see ricky are more likely to spend big in the casino's, he has only lost to mayweather and there is no shame in that.

walshb

maradona10 wrote: »

did you say oscar was greedy??

can somebody please let me know why hatton deserves 50%

I didn't say Oscar was greedy. I said Pac was. Clever greedy that is.
Generally, Pac comes across as a noble character; he's out to make as much
as possible and I say, best of luck!

Anyway, Hatton deserves half IMO; purely because he does bring huge revenue.
If it was based on who is the better fighter (p4p), then Hatton doesn't desreve half; but boxing.
isn't always about who is better, especially when money matters!

P4P, Pac is streets ahead; even though this actual bout will be very close.

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Because Ricky is very big draw and will play an even part in selling the ppv and more in seated fans too, plus the money men coming to see ricky are more likely to spend big in the casino's, he has only lost to mayweather and there is no shame in that.

The only shame was the fashion in which he lost. He was useless and crumbled so easily! Just my take on the bout! Horrible fight by the way.

maradona10

cowzerp, just cos hatton bringds fans to a fight doesnt mean he merits a 50% split. he hasnt accomplished anything. hes best known for losing to mayweather and beating an over the hill kostya.

its like saying newcastle united deserve a champions league spot cos they attract 50000 each week

walshb, what i meant was you never called oscar greedy when he was taking a huge slice of the pie against paquiao. what had oscar ever done to deserve it only lose every big fight he was ever in.

the bigger purse should go to the guy who is the top dog. its up to the challenger to take the title it from him and then go on to make some money himself if he can then stay at the top.

by both your lads reasoning theres no need to bother calling anybody a pound for pound champ. we should just make hatton,duddy,pavlik and the like top dogs just cos they draw a crowd

cowzerp

maradona10 wrote: »

cowzerp, just cos hatton bringds fans to a fight doesnt mean he merits a 50% split. he hasnt accomplished anything. hes best known for losing to mayweather and beating an over the hill kostya.

its like saying newcastle united deserve a champions league spot cos they attract 50000 each week

walshb, what i meant was you never called oscar greedy when he was taking a huge slice of the pie against paquiao. what had oscar ever done to deserve it only lose every big fight he was ever in.

the bigger purse should go to the guy who is the top dog. its up to the challenger to take the title it from him and then go on to make some money himself if he can then stay at the top.

by both your lads reasoning theres no need to bother calling anybody a pound for pound champ. we should just make hatton,duddy,pavlik and the like top dogs just cos they draw a crowd

If newcastle played in anfield and at home in the fa cup they would share the profits.

the question is not about the title, its about money and who brings it in, if he's bringing in half the money he deserves to get what he brought in, same applies for all fighters, if there an even draw then money should be split. money wise ricky is a bigger name.

Hangballlouie

cowzerp wrote: »

If newcastle played in anfield and at home in the fa cup they would share the profits.

the question is not about the title, its about money and who brings it in, if he's bringing in half the money he deserves to get what he brought in, same applies for all fighters, if there an even draw then money should be split. money wise ricky is a bigger name.

Agree completely with you Cowzer.

I have always been a fan of you Maradonna, but I think it is time to stop taking the class A's.
I want to remember you as the man who destoyed England, not as a coked-up junkie.

Just because Marley say's so, doesn't mean it to be true. The guy hasn't a clue about the sport imo.
Hatton is a much bigger draw than Pac-man, that is why he deserves the split.
And to be honest, I think he will beat Pac-man, his style will suit this fight.

joepenguin

According to Steve Bunce its Pac who brings in the big shots that gamble ridiculous amounts of money.

Anyway I think 50-50 is fair but Pac isnt being unreasonable to ask 60-40 as a staring bid.

The main thing is the fight is on!!! Pity it wasnt this side of the world. Id put myself out to see that (well... within reason)

ODD-JOB

Surely the big money comes from the tv PPV sales and not ao much from the ringside tickets bought ?

Fromvert

The better boxer doesnt always get the bigger pay day. I'm not 100% but when PBF fought DLH didnt DLH get the bigger pay day and he wasnt the better boxer.
Does anybody else not think that Pac would completely outbox Hatton. I think he'd use his footwork to stay away from Hatton, come in land his shots and move away again. I would like to see this fight, in my opinion too many people believe the Sky hype that Hatton is as good as they say he is. I believe hes past his best.

I dont want to see DLH fight again and I dont want to see Hatton fight PBF again.

maradona10

i think paq beats hatton. hatton relies on his hooks to win but paq is a good straight puncher who is short so hooks wont be effective against him. i think hell be in and out until hatton wears out. hatton cant avoid punches and is basically a mauler looking for a big hook to win

i feel sorry for marquez in all of this though. hes missing out on the paydays eventhough there is alot of people who think he won or at least drew the last paq fight

i hope oscar doesnt fight again cos im sick of his sickly sweet false niceness and also the fact that he just cant fight anymore and could end up getting badly hurt

Dubliner28

Lads a friend of mine is looking to go to the Manny/Hatton fight.
Is there a travel agency in Ireland who look after fights like this